1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

And we don't even know what's going on on the other side,but this one is bad enough. Now Plug Harrison into this picture(because that is where he is) This would not be a first down,this is a TD just begging to be had. I'm getting that outside CB to commit to an inside curl,then I turn out and I am taking it to the house

Exactly why the outside CB with Over responsibility can’t commit to a short out or in. Not his job. Slot CB has that zone.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yep conversely if you lay off you are letting them control the game with constant first downs and killing the clock. So pick your poison. If you have decent CB's there is no reason for the pic above.and BTW I dont care how good your corner is. if I can get him to commit to the inside curl I will turn out for a TD

You have to fire the HC if you don’t like his core philosophy of D can’t give up the big plays. Most D play this way honestly. Pretty much just banking on you making a mistake…penalty/drop..something. But the hardest to do is be methodical up and down the field. They fear the big plays. Analytics pointing to those being the game changers.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Or how about a simple concept of not starting out 5 yards behind the 1st down marker...and running backwards?

You only believe in Sticks coverage?

54 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Right we ran the tush push all year because no on could stop it. That is until it was stopped in TB. Same play,lack of execution

Was it lack of execution…or TB D execute every well? Can the D execute effectively?

50 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Of course we have other guys too I was just using them as a future example

Top WR in the league last year being double teamed…hmmm…think that answer was attempted plenty…still was the  top WR.

Don't know either of the kids but someone mentioned about Terrell Owens kid getting signed. Jerry Rice's kid went to the Bolts, prolly has a better demeanor.

Justin Simmons no longer counts in the comp picks, just sayin......

OBJ Jr went to Raiders, a lot of legacy picks this yr - 7. I'm getting old

Kempski's pre-camp depth chart

https://www.phillyvoice.com/philadelphia-eagles-2024-depth-chart-nfl/

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m all about just hyper focusing Quinyon on outside CB. No sloppy habits forming. Just fully develop that one position with all the multiple roles that it entails. But I’m not likely to be ready to have him in Bump and Run coverage week one. Think he’ll be absolutely fantastic at it once he learns it. Hopefully become his main weapon of choice. But to start I’d be teaching him the techniques and rules of Off coverage Man and the different Zones.

 Not even dabbling having him travel with top WR into the slot until he has a very solid grasp on executing all these parts of the outside CB job.

I think we are talking two different things.   I'm talking outside CB to take over for Bradberry..   you ( per usual)  way way way overthink everything else. 

Whatever technique he uses...just be better than Bradberry.   Btw...I hope he uses every technique.   

And wow do you have 1975 mentality with the game. The kids come in way more advanced today. 

If you ask me why a Toledo stud QB wasn't in bump and run so often....is because there wasn't one single WR that they needed to worry about enough to take the stud CB away from everything else.  Dude was off, so he could help everywhere else. 

Idk.... maybe it's the basketball mentality I have.   I need a player worth locking down to take me away from playing some help defense everywhere else.

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I view slot pass coverage as potentially  DeJeans toughest job to handle. I keep coming back to all these scouts weakness consensus on him as lacking fabulous hip fluidity. But you start DeJean in the slot nickel CB.

I make him come to camp ....and see what I have and what will help the team..and go from there.

Everything else goes in the toilet... it all starts now.  You see with your own eyes vs NFL players.   Not what a scout said.

The scouting report gets the players here...no longer matters. 

Only thing that matters is the resume that starts at the pro facility.

From PFF;

Ainias Smith proved a dangerous receiver after the catch at Texas A&M, as he forced 20 missed tackles after the catch in 2023 (seventh among all WRs). On 102 combined targets the past two seasons, he dropped just two passes.

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

What was the viewpoint? To me I prioritize outside CB. Highest grade goes if he can do that. Then grade up or down if he can travel to the slot ,usually thinking with a specific WR that day. If Revis was good at S did you care? So if he’s best at being a great S that’s fantastic…but not the same.

  How much can you put on a rookies plate realistically before you’ve just flooded a super talented athlete and are screwing him up? 
 DeJean jobs:

P returner? Yes

KO returner? Yes.

ST P gunner? Yes

thats more than we have valued Covey for just right there. So how much more we adding to his plate? And what is chosen? I think it very much matters. 

 

What are you saying?  You are all over the place.   Why does your mind work this way.   

Just let training camp happen and see how the players develop. 

Wish I still lived in Philly so I could see more of camp. When I lived in A-town used to go over to Lehigh U. to watch as often as I could.

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He coached obviously…but assuming you are poking fun

Good assumption...not so much poking fun as you going way overboard when someone says only LT was ready from the start.    Come on now.

Enjoy the draft and stop the usual weird thoughts.  You aren't a coach...not your job to stress the details.   Just enjoy from fan point of view.

Btw..  check out interview with Jalyx Hunt...I can see why he was a favorite of everyone in the organization.

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

See that’s what I think of how you talk football. I think of playing basketball. Just so much simpler. Defense/offense. Only so much really going on. Compared to football….

A lot going on in both sports.   The similarity is the passing game.  You have 5 options to cover just like basketball.   The stud offensive player draws some combination of the better defensive player and/ or double team.  That's the start of the game plan/ strategy .. from there everyone else reacts to how that goes.  

Use your boy Lamb as an example.   The defense should start the game plan there.  Dallas adjusts, then the opponent adjusts.   Where they move Lamb ...and where they move everyone else....with the idea of making it the most difficult to cover everything. 

Just now, joemas6 said:

A lot going on in both sports.   The similarity is the passing game.  You have 5 options to cover just like basketball.   The stud offensive player draws some combination of the better defensive player and/ or double team.  That's the start of the game plan/ strategy .. from there everyone else reacts to how that goes.  

Use your boy Lamb as an example.   The defense should start the game plan there.  Dallas adjusts, then the opponent adjusts.   Where they move Lamb ...and where they move everyone else....with the idea of making it the most difficult to cover everything. 

On top of that...my idea with the shutdown CB isn't as priority as you.  Because one guy doesn't cover all 5 offensive skill guys.   Only takes one weakness in the secondary...one mismatch and it's advantage offense 

Conversely...with OL vs DL.... the OL needs to be complete.  The DL only needs one mismatch to create an advantage. 

Therefore I see more priority for ONE stud WR or DL...  but a more complete group at OL and DB.

Just now, joemas6 said:

On top of that...my idea with the shutdown CB isn't as priority as you.  Because one guy doesn't cover all 5 offensive skill guys.   Only takes one weakness in the secondary...one mismatch and it's advantage offense 

Conversely...with OL vs DL.... the OL needs to be complete.  The DL only needs one mismatch to create an advantage. 

Therefore I see more priority for ONE stud WR or DL...  but a more complete group at OL and DB.

You ask me on this team before the draft ...what would make more impact.

One player wise....  thst would be RG. Because a stud RG completes the OL

One stud CB ...complete shut down..  that's a start....but he can't cover everyone.  

Now with 2 studs added... we made progress in the secondary.  Hopefully they perform and we can view it to where one addition in the secondary can then complete the puzzle.

That's the mindset with basketball.  Everything starts with the one mismatch of the stud player. 

If the opponent doesn't have a stud WR... or a stud DL to game plan against.  It takes away the sizzle of a shutdown CB or stud pass blocker that could neutralize the one stud opponent. 

Who did Mitchell have to shutdown in bump and run for Toledo?   If there wasn't anyone for him...  you play him off so he can be involved more with helping everywhere else. 

In 5 months before the season....I can have Mitchell bump and run about a 1000 reps... he should pick up a little something before game 1. 

Do the math.   4 months time.  1000 reps = 250 reps per month.   Say 20 work days...  13 reps a day... I hope he gets that.

49 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

Wish I still lived in Philly so I could see more of camp. When I lived in A-town used to go over to Lehigh U. to watch as often as I could.

Not the same...only a couple of practices open to public.

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Pretty standard football really. You see it even more so the lower levels you get.

No I don't...I don't see coverages on 3rd down where guys give up a Cushion to start 5 yards behind the line...then continue to back pedal. 

Outside of the Eagles...I really don't see this much at all.  

Just flushing your 2 previous quality downs ...right down the toilet by giving up easy 3rd down play. 

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Exactly why the outside CB with Over responsibility can’t commit to a short out or in. Not his job. Slot CB has that zone.

And won't be able to cover the out.  And first down.  Not difficult concept to understand is it.

Nobody is arguing the concept of cover 3.   Just pointing out the obvious that it isn't going to work.   

You see the formation and adjust the coverage. Not a difficult concept to get.