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Ongoing Eagles New Discussion volume 2

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4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

A "wedge block” is not permitted at any time. A wedge block is defined as two or more players intentionally aligning shoulder-to-shoulder within two yards of each other, and who move forward together in an attempt to block for the runner.

So ... 2 yards apart ???? Lol... thar happens every return...lol.  

If you are shoulder to shoulder thar means they are right up against each other... how would it be a wedge block two yards apart... 6 feet wide...they could fit two defenders between them..lol

Just now, joemas6 said:

So ... 2 yards apart ???? Lol... thar happens every return...lol.  

If you are shoulder to shoulder thar means they are right up against each other... how would it be a wedge block two yards apart... 6 feet wide...they could fit two defenders between them..lol

That’s how the official rule is written. 

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

That’s how the official rule is written. 

It’s talking about moving together forward…which is why I believe it clears things under these new rules….you can’t really do it.

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It’s a little tricky…but I guess they can’t really call a penalty for this the way they are aligned.

It's not really tricky unless you let your mind wander.

Kicks are going to be kicked with the intention of landing close to the goal line....the kickoff team then moves as soon as the ball is caught and the blockers will engage asap around the 30... one cover guy will be free from the start..and the play starts from there.   

I'm sure if a team is ahead that they may just kick it through the endzone and concede the 30 yard line.    I don't think it's going to be real complicated. 

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That’s how the official rule is written. 

And how have you seen it interpreted since?   

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It’s talking about moving together forward…which is why I believe it clears things under these new rules….you can’t really do it.

If you see the left tackle and the center moving forward together....do you see that as a wedge?   What do you consider a wedge? 

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

And how have you seen it interpreted since?   

Not sure what you are arguing much about when I agree with you here? I questioned at first. Then pulled up quoting the official rule. So then I concluded it’s not really possible to flag anybody for doing this under the new rules.

If you had only one returner on this new KO. Then had two guys at the 30 outside the hash…on the same side of the field together….technically the would fall under forming a wedge. That’s really the only way it could be done. But could they really flag that…under these rules?

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

If you had only one returner on this new KO. Then had two guys at the 30 outside the hash…on the same side of the field together….technically the would fall under forming a wedge. That’s really the only way it could be done. But could they really flag that…under these rules?

They wouldn't flag that on the old rules either.  

13 QBs making 40 mil or more. Trevor Lawrence and Tua yet to sign. So basically half the leagues QBs. Just the price you gotta pay a QB at this point.

29 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I don’t think this is very cool…hopefully Shipley just thinks it’s funny.

Not like I all know Shipley personally….but I wouldn’t think he’d appreciate this. I sure hope they ran it by him first before releasing this TShirt joking his drawing. Rookie or not.

20 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

13 QBs making 40 mil or more. Trevor Lawrence and Tua yet to sign. So basically half the leagues QBs. Just the price you gotta pay a QB at this point.

Lol.... yeah, only getting higher...that's why you pay early and if it doesn't pan out it's OK.   

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Lol.... yeah, only getting higher...that's why you pay early and if it doesn't pan out it's OK.   

Yet paying early …then the players aren’t happy once the prices go up. We had to pay AJ again. Signed Reddick to a great deal….but then end up paying 21.5 mil in dead cap money on him this season

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yet paying early …then the players aren’t happy once the prices go up. We had to pay AJ again. Signed Reddick to a great deal….but then end up paying 21.5 mil in dead cap money on him this season

Just showing there are both sides…not everything being Rosie by signing early.

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2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yet paying early …then the players aren’t happy once the prices go up. We had to pay AJ again. Signed Reddick to a great deal….but then end up paying 21.5 mil in dead cap money on him this season

We paid AJ because it was " paying him early" to keep the cap hit low.  We didn't " have to pay him"...lol.

Did Reddick get a new deal yet?    

Go add up the cap costs as to what Reddick cost us.   

You can't get over the hump of understanding how ' dead cap" when used correctly... actually creates more cap space.   

Your mind goes into all these complicated places, but can't go to see this??? 

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

We paid AJ because it was " paying him early" to keep the cap hit low.  We didn't " have to pay him"...lol.

Did Reddick get a new deal yet?    

Go add up the cap costs as to what Reddick cost us.   

You can't get over the hump of understanding how ' dead cap" when used correctly... actually creates more cap space.   

Your mind goes into all these complicated places, but can't go to see this??? 

So are you denying that any players end up regretting the contracts they accept early…then want to get a raise before their contract is up? That’s just the point I’m attempting to make …as the downside of paying guys early, potentially.

You see disgruntled employees develop from paying a guy early…that actually ends up playing well and he believes outplaying his contract. Then they hold out, demand a raise or trade. There is a downside also is the very obvious point. That’s just considering the actual good or even great signings. Then you add in the actual bad signings.

8 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Just showing there are both sides…not everything being Rosie by signing early.

What side did you show???  

13 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

We paid AJ because it was " paying him early" to keep the cap hit low.  We didn't " have to pay him"...lol.

Did Reddick get a new deal yet?    

Go add up the cap costs as to what Reddick cost us.   

You can't get over the hump of understanding how ' dead cap" when used correctly... actually creates more cap space.   

Your mind goes into all these complicated places, but can't go to see this??? 

I think we did have to pay AJ. I think we signed Reddick incredibly cheap…backloaded the cap hits …forcing us to give him away for peanuts.

8 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So are you denying that any players end up regretting the contracts they accept early…then want to get a raise before their contract is up? That’s just the point I’m attempting to make …as the downside of paying guys early, potentially.

Who gives a crap... the bruthas need o understand the time value of the money and that's why the agents get them paid early.

I've gone through this a few times with you showing where the player can't catch up if they wait to get paid.  Doesn't matter if the number is higher, they won't get back the lost pay from the year or two before if they wait to get paid 

Take Dak for instance.  He didn't get paid year 4.   Right now he should have been paid twice big money...and big  contract #3....not big contract #2. 

By signing early, you start the cycle of getting paid early.  Look at AJ... signed going into year 4... now signed going into year 6.   Already got the pay days.  

Dak 4 cheap years a tag year and then the big contract going into year 6. 

Reddick has no regrets... he wasn't going to get more money anywhere.  He found that out this year.  The Eagles made a good business decision not falling into the trap of thinking 2022 was the norm for Reddick. That was a fluke year with 8 turnovers...last year just one.  They went younger and got a draft pick.   No cap difference for 2024, and save on his future cap hit.

 

9 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I think we did have to pay AJ. I think we signed Reddick incredibly cheap…backloaded the cap hits …forcing us to give him away for peanuts.

I think you like the Hollywood TMZ part of life...your mind can wander.  The numbers and facts you find to limiting.  Reality limits your mind from wondering...it's why you refuse to spend 20 minutes to understand the contracts.

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Who gives a crap... the bruthas need o understand the time value of the money and that's why the agents get them paid early.

I've gone through this a few times with you showing where the player can't catch up if they wait to get paid.  Doesn't matter if the number is higher, they won't get back the lost pay from the year or two before if they wait to get paid 

Take Dak for instance.  He didn't get paid year 4.   Right now he should have been paid twice big money...and big  contract #3....not big contract #2. 

By signing early, you start the cycle of getting paid early.  Look at AJ... signed going into year 4... now signed going into year 6.   Already got the pay days.  

Dak 4 cheap years a tag year and then the big contract going into year 6. 

Reddick has no regrets... he wasn't going to get more money anywhere.  He found that out this year.  The Eagles made a good business decision not falling into the trap of thinking 2022 was the norm for Reddick. That was a fluke year with 8 turnovers...last year just one.  They went younger and got a draft pick.   No cap difference for 2024, and save on his future cap hit.

 

So having Reddick play disgruntled in just the second year of his contract then being forced to trade our best D player for peanuts before his third season you consider a positive?

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