May 30, 20242 yr 24 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said: I didn't way we'd see it, I said I would LOVE to see it. He has the size and strength to shut Watson down. So I guess I have higher hopes than you Actually I brought up Watson specifically predraft as a reasoning I could sign off on drafting DeJean. But can’t ignore experience all together. DeJean has to get there. I’m optimistic on DeJean…but always strive to be realistic.
May 30, 20242 yr Author 1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said: We snuffed some good RB's last year why would that be worse now? The problem was we snuffed those good RB's and teams were forced to throw,against our bad secondary which was basically a GIFT to them LOL
May 30, 20242 yr Author 1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said: Actually I brought up Watson specifically predraft as a reasoning I could sign off on drafting DeJean. But can’t ignore experience all together. DeJean has to get there. I’m optimistic on DeJean…but always strive to be realistic. If you are drafting guys due to fear of ONE guy,you are drafting wrong
May 30, 20242 yr 20 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said: No matter the POINT is there is NOT enough distance to get an angle of attack,there is just NOT Why I said : it is what it is…we clearly disagree on the importance of angle of pursuit involved in the KO coverage. Just not going to change my opinion very likely on that.
May 30, 20242 yr Author 2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: Actually I brought up Watson specifically predraft as a reasoning I could sign off on drafting DeJean. But can’t ignore experience all together. DeJean has to get there. I’m optimistic on DeJean…but always strive to be realistic. And BTW it was LAMB you feared pre draft LOL
May 30, 20242 yr Author Just now, cunninghamtheman said: Why I said : it is what it is…we clearly disagree on the importance of angle of pursuit involved in the KO coverage. Just not going to change my opinion very likely on that. LMFAO no we don't disagree,it's just my point goes over your head
May 30, 20242 yr 22 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said: Better yet there IS NO angle of attack in 5 yards NONE Those are blockers…not the returner. Just going on and on over such a basic fundamental.
May 30, 20242 yr 19 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said: So no matter where the returner goes the players that are far away and can have an angle of attack cannot get there in time to make a difference unless they run 2 second 40's Once they DO get there the only play is a block in the back because they are already behind the returner get it? No…I absolutely don’t and won’t ever get it…
May 30, 20242 yr Author 9 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: Why I said : it is what it is…we clearly disagree on the importance of angle of pursuit involved in the KO coverage. Just not going to change my opinion very likely on that. OK lets make it extreme. You are standing 3 feet away from me. I have no angle of attack because there is not enough room to do it. Now you stand 5o feet away and I can now im[plement an angle of attack because I have the SPACE to do it. It's not hard to grasp
May 30, 20242 yr Author 1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said: No…I absolutely don’t and won’t ever get it… Obviously
May 30, 20242 yr 19 minutes ago, joemas6 said: not really, the kicking team is going to move first as they actually can physically see he catch... they will be attacking the blockers To avoid the blockers…you mean
May 30, 20242 yr 19 minutes ago, joemas6 said: not really, the kicking team is going to move first as they actually can physically see he catch... they will be attacking the blockers Not helping your point as I see it….the opposite in fact.
May 30, 20242 yr Author 2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: Those are blockers…not the returner. Just going on and on over such a basic fundamental. SO the blockers aren't going to tackle the returner?
May 30, 20242 yr Author Just now, GreenbleedinNC said: SO the blockers aren't going to tackle the returner? Who makes the tackle the kicker?
May 30, 20242 yr 20 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said: Agreed,and maybe Dejean takes over(rook mistakes and all) if Slay can't do the job. IDK why we kept Bradberry. He really was bad Contract is the reason…cap wise he has to be post June 1st cut. What’s the date again? Hahaha…any day now will be fine by me.
May 30, 20242 yr Author 1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said: Who makes the tackle the kicker? Kicker has the best angle of attack
May 30, 20242 yr Author 2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: Contract is the reason…cap wise he has to be post June 1st cut. What’s the date again? Hahaha…any day now will be fine by me. Yeah,no one will even trade a 7th for him LOL
May 30, 20242 yr 14 minutes ago, joemas6 said: I don't think you are getting the fact of where the blockers are positioned... the kick will still go over them. They are exactly half way of where the ball is looking to get kicked, the exact apex of the kick. It's a football... the kickers need to elevate the ball ... you tell me where you have seen a ball travel 60 yards without going over 10 feet in the air? It's not a soccer ball, you need elevation to kick it 60 yards. The regular squib kick won't work here. They need to land the ball in the red zone... they can't miss short, better to miss long and put it in the end zone. Ball is going to clear the blockers, not go in between them. It's great to have this imagination... but you are making things way too complicated. The kickers now will absolutely look to kick the ball and land it near the goal line, but just short of it. Not anywhere close to hitting the blockers, even if you give them tennis rackets to hold up. I think you are mistaking what I’m saying a bit. I’m just spitballing the types of attempts that can be made. A hard line drive that hits just inside the twenty would be a very difficult kick to field. But like you are pointing out…as I believe I am also…it has to go over the players first.
May 30, 20242 yr 21 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said: Right you are missing my point about the angle of attack difference on D as opposed to kick offs. The only guys that would have an angle of attack on the returner are maybe the 4 closest ones and even then that is' only 5-8 yards so not alot to work with there as opposed to having 30-40 yards to angle with In case you haven’t noticed with every single reply I’ve made…I’m not agreeing at all with your logic on this. You’re expecting the return to be out to the 40 every time basically in your calculations…which isn’t my belief. Angle of pursuit is always a factor regardless.
May 30, 20242 yr Author 3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said: I think you are mistaking what I’m saying a bit. I’m just spitballing the types of attempts that can be made. A hard line drive that hits just inside the twenty would be a very difficult kick to field. But like you are pointing out…as I believe I am also…it has to go over the players first. IDK that would be similar to a volleyball spike serve,except with your foot. Very difficult
May 30, 20242 yr Author 1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said: In case you haven’t noticed with every single reply I’ve made…I’m not agreeing at all with your logic on this. You’re expecting the return to be out to the 40 every time basically in your calculations…which isn’t my belief. Angle of pursuit is always a factor regardless. From where is this so called angle of attack coming from on a kick off with guys spread out across a line? You also said they are "blockers" So who makes the tackle?
May 30, 20242 yr Author I assume the returner will move forward as our guys try to break through blocks to tackle him. How are they getting angles of attack after fighting off a block? How many yards do they have left to set that up?
May 30, 20242 yr 20 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said: I'm hoping we can go top 5. Even 5th would be good. That rests on Hurts. bark should ease his(Hurts) "panic" runs some. Using Goedert correctly will also helps Hurts. Paris/Ainias in the slot will also help. Even if the D is "as good"(or bad) as last year we should still be better overall Oline I see downgraded though. Saquan is an improvement over Swift…but Swift was a Pro Bowler last season. Parris, Ainias and Saquan …if we are being realistic…have concerns on the durability front. Can AJ and DeVonta be as durable as they were last season? Fairly large ask. But 7th to 5th isn’t a huge move upward even on the optimistic point of view.
May 30, 20242 yr Author 1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said: Oline I see downgraded though. Saquan is an improvement over Swift…but Swift was a Pro Bowler last season. Parris, Ainias and Saquan …if we are being realistic…have concerns on the durability front. Can AJ and DeVonta be as durable as they were last season? Fairly large ask. But 7th to 5th isn’t a huge move upward even on the optimistic point of view. You asked if I thought we were better 5th is better than 7th?
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