12 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

GB told them to eff off. The Wuss caved. Maybe the tribe is suing to get the money flow restarted LOL. Only they know for sure

I'm sure they will want paid to use the logo again,so greed is greed is greed

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

I don’t think so. I think I just don’t get the opportunity much to discuss his mistakes and downsides. It’s just a constant barrage here about blaming him for everything. I offer up things that are negative about Hurts. I recognize how he deserved to be benched for Tua at Bama. Then transferred and was runner up to Burrow having the greatest season in college football season. Runner up for MVP. Guys that aren’t half as good don’t handle that benching situation like Hurts did. He’s proven now how elite stud player he is. But he didn’t pout and cause a huge scene about being benched. He took it like a man. 

Why do I care what happened in college????

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

I think I just don’t get the opportunity much to discuss his mistakes and downsides.

Because you refuse to see them. I get he is the birds QB,but really you have 2 different sets of standards. Hurts and everyone else

I’ve pointed out how his height does affect his ability to see over the middle. Our Oline are all like 6’ 5”. It’s a limitation. That’s why they have the prototypical QB measurements. Why he fell to the second round. He didn’t have this massive arm and was shorter than has been labeled what works in the NFL. Just like how that stereotype used to be against black QBs too.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

I’ve pointed out how his height does affect his ability to see over the middle. Our Oline are all like 6’ 5”. It’s a limitation. That’s why they have the prototypical QB measurements. Why he fell to the second round. He didn’t have this massive arm and was shorter than has been labeled what works in the NFL. Just like how that stereotype used to be against black QBs too.

Brees was his same size,just destroyed people downfield. Hurts needs to use his legs to see the throwing lanes(another fault he has). Find an open lane and it doesn't matter how tall anyone is. This is the little stuff he needs to do

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why do I care what happened in college????

It has really shaped Hurts. He really has been tested. Very adverse situation. Did he shrink? Did he disrupt the team making things all about him? Also he played in the biggest games college ball has to offer. He got benched….and answered by putting up a Heisman worthy season. That’s the character of our leader. No stage is too big for him to not be ready for. No situation will he give up. If we are down multiple scores? He isn’t going to play it safe and pad stats to make himself look good. He’s going to do whatever gives a chance to win. Chuck it up …plenty of QBs won’t risk it to their stats. But if it’s only one percent chance and it gives the only chance to win….thats what he’s doing.

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Brees was his same size,just destroyed people downfield. Hurts needs to use his legs to see the throwing lanes(another fault he has). Find an open lane and it doesn't matter how tall anyone is. This is the little stuff he needs to do

Brees had brilliant coaches. What was it Schottenheimer in San Diego? Then Sean Payton. The coach needs a QB that can do the job.  But giving him a top O mind to explain the game and set him up was always key. 

But Brees I’d argue is one of the best QBs all times.

Hurts is fabulous runner(see I can give him accolades too). IMO he needs 3 things to be really great. 1)pocket presence(aka moving within the pocket not running in a panic when read 1 is covered) 2) field vision,seeing all 5 reads and going back to 1 ,moving onto open throwing lanes 3) Better head game. Sometimes his decision making stinks. There is no question he is a superior runner,but he has the tools to be a more effective passer if he can improve on said 3 points. it takes time and he should start displaying some of this NOW. I'm looking forward to seeing it happen

I’ve never seen anybody like Brees. So deadly accurate. So brilliant understanding the game. But gotta believe being under Payton played a large role in that. I can’t believe Drew Brees becomes that same player under the tutelage of Siri.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But Brees I’d argue is one of the best QBs all times.

Combine Brees with Jackson/Mahomes and you have your MVP QB

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It has really shaped Hurts. He really has been tested. Very adverse situation. Did he shrink? Did he disrupt the team making things all about him? Also he played in the biggest games college ball has to offer. He got benched….and answered by putting up a Heisman worthy season. That’s the character of our leader. No stage is too big for him to not be ready for. No situation will he give up. If we are down multiple scores? He isn’t going to play it safe and pad stats to make himself look good. He’s going to do whatever gives a chance to win. Chuck it up …plenty of QBs won’t risk it to their stats. But if it’s only one percent chance and it gives the only chance to win….thats what he’s doing.

Picks will kill you as we know. Chucking it up has it's risks. He needs to make sure the odds are better than he has

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’ve never seen anybody like Brees. So deadly accurate. So brilliant understanding the game. But gotta believe being under Payton played a large role in that. I can’t believe Drew Brees becomes that same player under the tutelage of Siri.

Same size as Hurts,but he found the open lanes to throw through

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Hurts is fabulous runner(see I can give him accolades too). IMO he needs 3 things to be really great. 1)pocket presence(aka moving within the pocket not running in a panic when read 1 is covered) 2) field vision,seeing all 5 reads and going back to 1 ,moving onto open throwing lanes 3) Better head game. Sometimes his decision making stinks. There is no question he is a superior runner,but he has the tools to be a more effective passer if he can improve on said 3 points. it takes time and he should start displaying some of this NOW. I'm looking forward to seeing it happen

He is a fantastic runner. But he threw some absolutely incredible passes these past two seasons. He really stepped up. Now he has dealt with a different coordinator every year of college and Pros except 2022. So I think that has affected him in this area some. He never has been able to develop in some areas of being a QB because if this. I agree a little with you. But you constantly label him as one read and run. Which just isn’t the case. 

40 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I have a very long track record on here of my opinions. Not just hindsight…but predicting beforehand how I see things. I get some things wrong. But really feel like my percentage of being correct is very high. The game of football isn’t all that complicated really. I clearly could see how Pedey needed a speed WR for his O to really flourish. Didn’t take me a whole bunch of consideration to realize the gimmick and negatives surrounding Chip Kelly fast break O.  Not hard for me to see how when Rosie relies on the football people to make his decisions he does a much better job. It just isn’t in his DNA. I really don’t know if Rosie ever played any sport.  But Rosie can stand in the face of pressure situations and make good decisions. He isn’t crumbling to make a trade by giving up more than he wants just because of the pressure. He handled the crucial AJ trade on the clock. The most crucial deal he’s made…and he did it with a timeline of before his pick. He signed AJ to a fair contract under these terms. It was a smart move.

So you are unhappy with Howies last 3,drafts? People can still improve themselves. Howie did it. Don't care what happened 10 years ago

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Same size as Hurts,but he found the open lanes to throw through

And you could make the argument he’s the best passer ever been. So you’re right. But Brees was so special with his field vision and understanding of the game. Nobody been like him ever. 

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

So you are unhappy with Howies last 3,drafts? People can still improve themselves. Howie did it. Don't care what happened 10 years ago

No my point is I simply don’t look at everything like he always great…or always terrible. He does both. He has strengths and he has weaknesses.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He is a fantastic runner. But he threw some absolutely incredible passes these past two seasons. He really stepped up. Now he has dealt with a different coordinator every year of college and Pros except 2022. So I think that has affected him in this area some. He never has been able to develop in some areas of being a QB because if this. I agree a little with you. But you constantly label him as one read and run. Which just isn’t the case. 

Sure it is, it's why he takes off more than most other QB's. He also holds the ball too long. If he is making more than 1 read I fail to see it,if read 1 is gone he will take off running

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

And you could make the argument he’s the best passer ever been. So you’re right. But Brees was so special with his field vision and understanding of the game. Nobody been like him ever. 

I'm just hoping Hurts gets into that more. I don't expect him to be Brees or Brady,but he needs to improve there

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

No my point is I simply don’t look at everything like he always great…or always terrible. He does both. He has strengths and he has weaknesses.

But he gets GM of the year,that's like the MVP QB.You can't get there being a moron

I don’t think we can judge Rosie last several drafts too much. Hurts single handedly saved that draft. But Davis he trade up in the first for….can’t look at that pick as great. Took Nolan in the first not looking great year one. These draft picks really haven’t proven themselves much of anything. Sidney Brown hasn’t proven much. Steen hasn’t proven himself yet. 

Lord, which GM jumped on the Bark situation and got the guy here? Howie has the inside track many times while others are asleep at the switch LOL. So we nearly got tagged for tampering,but where did bark end up?

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hurts single handedly saved that draft.

LMFAO see,this is what you do. Hurts didn't save ANY draft,please

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Sure it is, it's why he takes off more than most other QB's. He also holds the ball too long. If he is making more than 1 read I fail to see it,if read 1 is gone he will take off running

Just not true. So clearly just false made up narrative to fit the Hater agenda. He does tend to hold the ball. He leads the league in creating big plays. That includes passing…big time. But how can you not see how last years O just totally relied on Hurts to make those big plays ….live or die by them. There really wasn’t much of intermediate routes. That was scheme issue.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I don’t think we can judge Rosie last several drafts too much. Hurts single handedly saved that draft. But Davis he trade up in the first for….can’t look at that pick as great. Took Nolan in the first not looking great year one. These draft picks really haven’t proven themselves much of anything. Sidney Brown hasn’t proven much. Steen hasn’t proven himself yet. 

How is Hurts going to improve Nolan,Steen and Brown? I need to hear this