1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I'm not saying this was the case,but you know Howie always covers Howie. He will have those WR's locked in and Bark as well even if he has to turn the QB job loose. And we have the start of a very good secondary,so to me the rest of the team should look good no matter and why I think Hurts needs to show his stuff NOW,not 2 years from now

No... I'm saying he is going to have 3 chances at least.     I don't see failure in the sense of " not making the playoffs"

I see we will have a shot to win these upcoming seasons... Hurts will be the guy that gets that opportunity...at least until 2027.

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Do you want a guy who quit trying because he faced adversity?

Would that guy be drafted at all?????

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I can almost actually agree with this in a way. Because I see Hurts as our leader. So everything we do needs to revolve around him. We need the best QB coach. Best weapons. Playcalls that works for him. He’s our guy. So generic thinking doesn’t work. Everything needs to work for Hurts for this team to succeed. 

OK so he is a leader,now we need him to lead...us to a SB

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Because you refuse to see them. I get he is the birds QB,but really you have 2 different sets of standards. Hurts and everyone else

But I think I hold everybody accountable is actually the difference. You and No Mas like to gloss over everybody else doing there job and blame Hurts generically. I look at what actually is happening.

Hurts also needs to work for this team to succeed

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But I think I hold everybody accountable is actually the difference. You and No Mas like to gloss over everybody else doing there job and blame Hurts generically. I look at what actually is happening.

No you don't you gloss over Hurts on everything

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I can almost actually agree with this in a way. Because I see Hurts as our leader. So everything we do needs to revolve around him. We need the best QB coach. Best weapons. Playcalls that works for him. He’s our guy. So generic thinking doesn’t work. Everything needs to work for Hurts for this team to succeed. 

Hurts is the leader... he plays the main position.   Why do you keep saying it.  That's obvious. 

He needs to improve at QB... QB skills.  

" No Mas there is more to it...blah blah blah." .. yes, we all agree Hurts is fine at all the other stuff.  So that leaves the QB skills that need to improve. What we are all saying and have been saying. Why so difficult to understand?

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Combine Brees with Jackson/Mahomes and you have your MVP QB

Mahomes and Lamar are already MVP.  But yeah Brees didn’t have the biggest arm. He wasn’t that mobile. But he proved everybody wrong. He was just absolutely amazing.

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

OK so he is a leader,now we need him to lead...us to a SB

We need him to play good QB while leading. 

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

No you don't you gloss over Hurts on everything

 example-"The missed block" on another play caused Hurts to drop the ball in the SB

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Picks will kill you as we know. Chucking it up has it's risks. He needs to make sure the odds are better than he has

I was discussing doing whatever it takes to win. He’s going to do it. Down three scores….he isn’t looking to play it safe and pad stats. He’s only interested in what has to occur to win the game.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Mahomes and Lamar are already MVP.  But yeah Brees didn’t have the biggest arm. He wasn’t that mobile. But he proved everybody wrong. He was just absolutely amazing.

Brees had QB skills. 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Mahomes and Lamar are already MVP.  But yeah Brees didn’t have the biggest arm. He wasn’t that mobile. But he proved everybody wrong. He was just absolutely amazing.

He was good at the QB position because he had the brain game down. Very few mistakes,multiple reads and he got the ball out

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I was discussing doing whatever it takes to win. He’s going to do it. Down three scores….he isn’t looking to play it safe and pad stats. He’s only interested in what has to occur to win the game.

Int's unforced is not "doing what it takes" C'mon now The tush push needs to go away and Hurts has to make up for it

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So you are unhappy with Howies last 3,drafts? People can still improve themselves. Howie did it. Don't care what happened 10 years ago

I take into account the whole track record. Then you can judge whether he’s improved or not. He adapted and reallly grew when he lost his job. He changed to listen to football people more. He’s great at wheeling and dealing come draft day…but he needs to rely on the football people to evaluate the talent.

If we're down 3 scores he already failed at doing what it takes

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I take into account the whole track record. Then you can judge whether he’s improved or not. He adapted and reallly grew when he lost his job. He changed to listen to football people more. He’s great at wheeling and dealing come draft day…but he needs to rely on the football people to evaluate the talent.

Apparently Howie studied up on defense this off season(as he should have). Totally went against his history and took TWO secondary players and Jalyz Hunt. He finally felt confident enough to either do it,or listen to those you mentioned. Either way is fine by me

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Picks will kill you as we know. Chucking it up has its risks. He needs to make sure the odds are better than he has

He throws an incredibly precise catchable ball. Very consistent.

So the last 3 drafts,acquiring AJ and now Bark was all luck or chance? Seems to be a marked improvement after the blown Reagor call

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

He throws an incredibly precise catchable ball. Very consistent.

Then why all the picks?

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But I think I hold everybody accountable is actually the difference. You and No Mas like to gloss over everybody else doing there job and blame Hurts generically. I look at what actually is happening.

Hurts was untouched... he fumbled the ball right to the other team ....None of the other 10 guys had an opportunity to stop the defensive TD in the Superbowl.  That fumble was ALL HURTS.

The false start put them at 3rd and 6...didn't make Hurts fumble the ball.

Hurts blew vs the Giants 3 years ago...you never acknowledged...all you kept talking about was he made a decent throw at the end.

The Jets game... the O struggled.  At the end he threw a dumb pick...take a sack and we have a great chance to win...you are blind to this just talk anoint how nobody got open etc.

The safety vs Tampa...we all know nobody was open and he was being rushed ... but it was his mistake to make the sack more than 14 yards and back into the end zone.

YOU ABSOLUTELY DO NOT HOLD EVERYONE ACCOUNTABLE.  IN 4 YEARS YOU HAVE NEVER CRITICIZED HURTS OR BLAMED HIM FOR ANYTHING.  NEVER! 

We have 3000 pages on two message boards here.... I challenge you to find one specific play or aspect of Hurts that you held accountable!

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Sure it is, it's why he takes off more than most other QB's. He also holds the ball too long. If he is making more than 1 read I fail to see it,if read 1 is gone he will take off running

Yes you fail to see it. He does hold the ball. But what you are putting on Hurts was partly do to our O. So many long developing routes. He’s great at making the big plays. He’s always made them at as high a level of anybody across the league. But Johnson and Siri just really got stuck relying on him doing that all the time. That’s how teams figured us out. Don’t let Hurts escape and get over the top of the WR. They’re all going deep. 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So many long developing routes.

Hurts can't throw "long developing routes" He doesn't have the arm so thats baloney there

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I'm just hoping Hurts gets into that more. I don't expect him to be Brees or Brady,but he needs to improve there

Sure he can improve plenty in seeing the NFL Ds and developing more areas of his passing game. What QB doesn’t need to add and improve on things each offseason? But I do see some of these issues that I believe have been generated from him having a new OC every single year of college and pros. Just how accustom can any QB get in a new O scheme in just one year?

6 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Hurts can't throw "long developing routes" He doesn't have the arm so thats baloney there

45 yards and under. We can see many underthrown "deep" balls. So here's an idea,stop doing them hit the middle of the field and the more accurate mid range routes,but you have to get the ball out. If the routes are that short there is no reason to hold the ball 5 seconds