4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yeah..but the point is...that 2020 draft was a low point for Howie. 

Yeah he didn't take JJ, as not just me, but everyone stuck on earth(except Ham) would have done. Quez was here quite awhile though. I'm not sorry we got Hurts,just that he's not some god we should pray to,he has things he needs too improve on and he needs to get after it. Lurie is only going to give him so many shots at this

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I don't care what Arod does. He relies on his coaches to get them up to(his) speed(which is what they are paid to do). I'm sure he doesn't call them names and try to alienate them LOL. I'm happy Hurts welcomes new guys,that's NICE.but what matters is what happens on the field. Nice guys finish last. Arod expects things from his supporting cast. Hurts isn't there yet. Arod doesn't need to be a babysitter

That’s where you’re wrong. So much more to being a leader than just stats passing. The trust and leadership off the field matters. Some NNamdi eating in his car alone isn’t leadership. It shows he’s by himself. Hurts is a megastar. Him finding the time to interact with people means something to each individual. Him showing up to support Smitty’s charity softball is a crucial act. He’s got Devonta’s back. Did you see how many fans showed up for a playing around softball exhibition? Hurts is a big part of that. He’s a big draw. Gets the sponsers…tv and media coverage raised to another level too.

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yeah he didn't take JJ, as not just me, but everyone stuck on earth(except Ham) would have done. Quez was here quite awhile though. I'm not sorry we got Hurts,just that he's not some god we should pray to,he has things he needs too improve on and he needs to get after it. Lurie is only going to give him so many shots at this

Let's be honest... probably only 3 more years....then we will move on to another QB.  Let's hope he helps us win a SB while he has the job. 

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It’s just BS the owner is creating to try and bring the name back. Commanders is the worst name. But some guy bought up all the good names seeing how the boob offensive Redskins name was going to have to go. He owns the trademarks. So they have to pay him to get any of those.

Oh well,it will play out however it does. There is not much news about anything except the annual "we are pegged to everyone who can fog up a mirror" I usually post about NFCE teams no matter what it's about when there is nothing going on

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Hurts is a megastar

🤣 When does he plan on proving it with 5 rings?

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I don't care what Arod does. He relies on his coaches to get them up to(his) speed(which is what they are paid to do). I'm sure he doesn't call them names and try to alienate them LOL. I'm happy Hurts welcomes new guys,that's NICE.but what matters is what happens on the field. Nice guys finish last. Arod expects things from his supporting cast. Hurts isn't there yet. Arod doesn't need to be a babysitter

Actually ARod has been known to make or break WRs. If he doesn’t trust a guy he’s done. He’s been very known for doing this. Not lifting up and developing these guys so much. But quiting them real quick if they screw up. 

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I don't care what Arod does. He relies on his coaches to get them up to(his) speed(which is what they are paid to do). I'm sure he doesn't call them names and try to alienate them LOL. I'm happy Hurts welcomes new guys,that's NICE.but what matters is what happens on the field. Nice guys finish last. Arod expects things from his supporting cast. Hurts isn't there yet. Arod doesn't need to be a babysitter

What about Kyler Murray then?

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Let's be honest... probably only 3 more years....then we will move on to another QB.  Let's hope he helps us win a SB while he has the job. 

IDK I really think it depends on how this season goes. I mean if we don't make the playoffs IDK if he gets that many more years.If it goes badly Howie may start looking around next year. I get the money part,but Lurie had NP moving on from QB's(Bradford comes to mind as well as Wentz)

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Actually ARod has been known to make or break WRs. If he doesn’t trust a guy he’s done. He’s been very known for doing this. Not lifting up and developing these guys so much. But quiting them real quick if they screw up. 

Welp Arod has proven himself,Hurts isn't there yet where he can command the things Arod can. That's what we are looking forward to now. Arod made the Jets get guys in before he would even sign

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

What about Kyler Murray then?

What about him? he's been hurt for eons

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

GB told them to eff off. The Wuss caved. Maybe the tribe is suing to get the money flow restarted LOL. Only they know for sure

Snyder had too when he got in all that trouble. He fought it tooth and nail. Threw millions to buy off a Native American tribe to counter the bad narrative. But then he got busted big time. He had no leg to stand on anymore against the other owners. He just wanted to keep the team. Which he didn’t.

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Smitty would be WR 1 about anywhere else. They are both talented and worth keeping around

Not true. He’s about twenty best WR. Which is very good. I’m not trying to dog him out. But he just can’t make any case for being in the top ten at all. 

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

🤣 When does he plan on proving it with 5 rings?

See... a huge reason I'm looking forward to this year.   You see how Ham looks at Hurts like a God.   A lot of talk about how the organization and the teammates didn't care for all this BS last year etc.    Some of his behavior being stand off ish... now you see Ham, " look at Hurts taking these guys under his wing etc"   

Perception was AJ was yelling at Hurts to give him the ball... he always said that wasn't the case.  Talk about how AJ and Siri had to be overboard with the rah rah stuff because Hurts was to quiet and to himself. 

Also getting rid of his boy as the OC and going with Siri’s guy.  

To me all positive stuff... and they always have the Wentz stuff to fall back on... to use as an example of you need to look in the mirror and understand you need to be one of the guys, not above them. 

2023 was the first step backwards for him....expectations were high and he didn't reach them. 

This is a great way to enter THIS YEAR.   Humility is a great thing. Especially playing sports in Philadelphia. 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Not true. He’s about twenty best WR. Which is very good. I’m not trying to dog him out. But he just can’t make any case for being in the top ten at all. 

20 best WR in a 32 team league... that puts him at a #1 for about half the league. 

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why wait and get into the "Dullaz" situation they have with Lamb? Extend them at or during their peaks,just good business

Two ways of looking at it though. Really been so many WR coming in most every draft. You could easily make the case that you could find a WR in the draft. WR money has become really big time pay. It’s a huge chunk of the cap. You could get both starting quality S and both starting off ball LBs for the price of Lamb. He’s freaking really really good. I’d pay him. But there are many ways to go about business. Dallas drafts so well. They consistently draft for needs that fill in right away.

8 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK I really think it depends on how this season goes. I mean if we don't make the playoffs IDK if he gets that many more years.If it goes badly Howie may start looking around next year. I get the money part,but Lurie had NP moving on from QB's(Bradford comes to mind as well as Wentz)

Yeah...the contract locks him in until at least 2027.

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

See... a huge reason I'm looking forward to this year.   You see how Ham looks at Hurts like a God.   A lot of talk about how the organization and the teammates didn't care for all this BS last year etc.    Some of his behavior being stand off ish... now you see Ham, " look at Hurts taking these guys under his wing etc"   

Perception was AJ was yelling at Hurts to give him the ball... he always said that wasn't the case.  Talk about how AJ and Siri had to be overboard with the rah rah stuff because Hurts was to quiet and to himself. 

Also getting rid of his boy as the OC and going with Siri’s guy.  

To me all positive stuff... and they always have the Wentz stuff to fall back on... to use as an example of you need to look in the mirror and understand you need to be one of the guys, not above them. 

2023 was the first step backwards for him....expectations were high and he didn't reach them. 

This is a great way to enter THIS YEAR.   Humility is a great thing. Especially playing sports in Philadelphia. 

Well you get the local stuff I don't. I can only  read articles or watch vIds(if they are captioned which most are not),so I don't get the inside feeling you can get. I just seem to believe H0wie went "all in" again this year even if Ham isn't buying it. it's been 3 terrific drafts and Lurie wants something to show for it,that is just what I can see as an "outsider"

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Smitty would be WR 1 about anywhere else. They are both talented and worth keeping around

Where?

14 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That’s where you’re wrong. So much more to being a leader than just stats passing. The trust and leadership off the field matters. Some NNamdi eating in his car alone isn’t leadership. It shows he’s by himself. Hurts is a megastar. Him finding the time to interact with people means something to each individual. Him showing up to support Smitty’s charity softball is a crucial act. He’s got Devonta’s back. Did you see how many fans showed up for a playing around softball exhibition? Hurts is a big part of that. He’s a big draw. Gets the sponsers…tv and media coverage raised to another level too.

Ok....Hurts is a leader...now can he work on being a QB.

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why do I care what happened in college????

There is a track record of character and who a person is. Do you want some baby who pouted? Do you want a guy who quit trying because he faced adversity?  These things really matter. That’s why you can’t see so many crucial factors Hurts brings as our leader. You think it’s just about the box score and each game day. But getting that takes so much…to earn.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Yeah...the contract locks him in until at least 2027.

I'm not saying this was the case,but you know Howie always covers Howie. He will have those WR's locked in and Bark as well even if he has to turn the QB job loose. And we have the start of a very good secondary,so to me the rest of the team should look good no matter and why I think Hurts needs to show his stuff NOW,not 2 years from now

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

There is a track record of character and who a person is. Do you want some baby who pouted? Do you want a guy who quit trying because he faced adversity?  These things really matter. That’s why you can’t see so many crucial factors Hurts brings as our leader. You think it’s just about the box score and each game day. But getting that takes so much…to earn.

Hurts,the only guy with character in the last 4 drafts. Good stuff!!! Don't tell Trevor Lawrence ok?

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Where?

Anywhere. Many teams would be happy to have them as their #1

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Anywhere. Many teams would be happy to have them as their #1

If AJ went down you wouldn't trust Smith as your #1?

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Because you refuse to see them. I get he is the birds QB,but really you have 2 different sets of standards. Hurts and everyone else

I can almost actually agree with this in a way. Because I see Hurts as our leader. So everything we do needs to revolve around him. We need the best QB coach. Best weapons. Playcalls that works for him. He’s our guy. So generic thinking doesn’t work. Everything needs to work for Hurts for this team to succeed.