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Ongoing Eagles New Discussion volume 2

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2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I do obviously put in plenty of time investigating and researching. I don’t have access to medicals or interviewing coaches and friends however. But there’s always an assumption based on draft pick hierarchy. Not always applicable. But I did notice that dropoff tier. You know that thing you don’t believe in. It was a very strong WR class. I mean even where we sat in the first round we could have chosen a complete stud WR. I liked Franklin who went in the fourth…kind of being the dropoff point.

I agree... you put in time for this aspect of the college players.  I agree ... that is your nitch for sure.

For me, I appreciate all you guys on the board that do this, because I have zero interest in that.  So it's great for me to come here for that specific part. 

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7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yeah.... because you are alone there

 I remember when you posted this and said it was bad coaching and I had to explain to you it was the players fault here that he couldn't cover 20 yards in the same time frame as the WR running 5.  

You were definitely the only one there.

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Are you just now trying to figure out why there are so many catches near the sidelines? That stretching aD out sideways is also very effective.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Geez not this again where I try to explain to you how the Slot CB has the outside Zone coverage again. Haven’t we beaten this dead horse enough. You either get it ot don’t. But regardless you’ll label the CB who’s 6 yards off as being 12yards off…no matter how many times you post the pictures with clear yardage markers right there for you. But let’s not slow your massive exaggerations down.

Right..to simplifiy... under the proper coach...the slot CB would cover 20 yards sideways, before the WR gets 5 yards downfield.  It isn’t bad scheme or bad situational play call... it's the coach's inability to get his guy to run 4 times faster than the opponent.

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I agree... you put in time for this aspect of the college players.  I agree ... that is your nitch for sure.

For me, I appreciate all you guys on the board that do this, because I have zero interest in that.  So it's great for me to come here for that specific part. 

For me it doesn’t stop there. Even though you gripe about any nonEagles stuff the pro scouting is also a large factor. Just because we didn’t draft a guy doesn’t mean he won’t be an Eagles.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Are you just now trying to figure out why there are so many catches near the sidelines? That stretching aD out sideways is also very effective.

There are easier reads and one on one matchups out there. But you would see this free 9 yards every time in this situation if this is what Fangio calls 

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Right..to simplifiy... under the proper coach...the slot CB would cover 20 yards sideways, before the WR gets 5 yards downfield.  It isn’t bad scheme or bad situational play call... it's the coach's inability to get his guy to run 4 times faster than the opponent.

Not sure under Fangio we won’t do something similar to tell you the truth. But you gotta remember our HC core fundamentals. D must focus on not giving up the big plays. Practically tying a DC hands behind his back from being aggressive. Does this still apply? Or does Siri have no real power now?

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

For me it doesn’t stop there. Even though you gripe about any nonEagles stuff the pro scouting is also a large factor. Just because we didn’t draft a guy doesn’t mean he won’t be an Eagles.

No...it absolutely doesn't stop there for you....you definitely offer opinions on stuff you don't really know about too.

Take a compliment for once.  I know it's hard for you to be an adult about it. 

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

There are easier reads and one on one matchups out there. But you would see this free 9 yards every time in this situation if this is what Fangio calls 

Does it really even matter who or where anybody threw at our D? Did we stop anybody? From throwing anywhere?

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Not sure under Fangio we won’t do something similar to tell you the truth. But you gotta remember our HC core fundamentals. D must focus on not giving up the big plays. Practically tying a DC hands behind his back from being aggressive. Does this still apply? Or does Siri have no real power now?

Again.... everything bad is Siri or Howie...  anything good is Hurts or someone else. 

You gotta stop this.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Does it really even matter who or where anybody threw at our D? Did we stop anybody? From throwing anywhere?

Actually to be fair…Desai stopped the Chiefs and Phins in the second halves if those games. Otherwise though we played Swiss Cheese coverage. Holes everywhere…wasn’t just the sidelines.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Does it really even matter who or where anybody threw at our D? Did we stop anybody? From throwing anywhere?

Well... tough to stop when you are playing 8 yards behind everyone?

 

Just now, joemas6 said:

Again.... everything bad is Siri or Howie...  anything good is Hurts or someone else. 

You gotta stop this.

Listen to the presses or read about what the HC says. I place the blame where it belongs in my eyes. This is part of Siri’s team core values. Just fact. I didn’t just make the crap up.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Actually to be fair…Desai stopped the Chiefs and Phins in the second halves if those games. Otherwise though we played Swiss Cheese coverage. Holes everywhere…wasn’t just the sidelines.

But the first halves Siri couldn't stop those teams.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Well... tough to stop when you are playing 8 yards behind everyone?

 

Something AR brutally punished us with to end 2022. Kind of surprised me it didn’t stick with Mahomes though. He really struggled in 2023 much too long to get back to doing that. But he obviously got there by the end…which I guess is all that matters.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Listen to the presses or read about what the HC says. I place the blame where it belongs in my eyes. This is part of Siri’s team core values. Just fact. I didn’t just make the crap up.

Listen to the press conferences...

Tell me at what point does Siri ever not take responsibility for anything bad?

And when does he not immediately give credit to someone else ?

That's what he does.   Tell me once where you saw anything different?

That's why it's a waste of time for the most part.

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

But the first halves Siri couldn't stop those teams.

You want to give Siri props for our D. Go ahead. An explanation would be needed to explain such an outlandish theory however.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Something AR brutally punished us with to end 2022. Kind of surprised me it didn’t stick with Mahomes though. He really struggled in 2023 much too long to get back to doing that. But he obviously got there by the end…which I guess is all that matters.

Something pretty much everyone punished us for last year.

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Well... tough to stop when you are playing 8 yards behind everyone?

 

Tough to get sacks when the receivers aren’t challenged off any timing and catch passes so quickly.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

You want to give Siri props for our D. Go ahead. An explanation would be needed to explain such an outlandish theory however.

Lol...I just said Siri couldn't stop those teams in the 1st half...how is that giving props?

Just now, joemas6 said:

Something pretty much everyone punished us for last year.

The holes have been there the whole time honestly …since Siri arrived. Blame whomever you like. But it wasn’t Schwartz.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Tough to get sacks when the receivers aren’t challenged off any timing and catch passes so quickly.

Agreed... tough to do anything when you give that cushion.  But yet this doesn't translate to you that I didn't like the scheme?

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Lol...I just said Siri couldn't stop those teams in the 1st half...how is that giving props?

It would be alluding to he was the reasoning for second half success.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

The holes have been there the whole time honestly …since Siri arrived. Blame whomever you like. But it wasn’t Schwartz.

I blame Siri and Howie for the lack of success the last 3 years.    Especially after that awesome 2020 season.

Idk...call me crazy for liking the fact we got an experienced DC....and going back to the head coach not calling the plays and just managing the game...after seeing the difference between 2022and 2023.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It would be alluding to he was the reasoning for second half success.

Or... the obvious... alluding to the idea he wasn't involved much in either?   

Really wasn't that obvious? 

Just now, joemas6 said:

Agreed... tough to do anything when you give that cushion.  But yet this doesn't translate to you that I didn't like the scheme?

I’ve been saying that all along. Not really my cup of tea. But at least we have the actual Fangio runningthe Fangio D now. I mean playing super soft coverage and not tackling well has been a really tough combo to digest. But this is where I do always come back to Siri’s mandate of the D not giving up big plays. I don’t even know a single other D philosophy or thought Siri has. He preaches stay over the top whatever you do. I like aggressive D personally. You don’t want to give up big plays…but that just means you play D well to me.

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