". Prior to practice, Howie Roseman essentially acknowledged that they’re going to be evaluating WR3 closely.” According to BLG

Hurts earned one thumbs up for Wednesday’s performance. He looked much more crisp than he did when we last saw him in the spring. Hurts only had one incompletion, which was a bad drop by DeVonta Smith. For the most part, he was efficient and decisive. He looked comfortable commanding the offense and getting the ball out quickly. Hurts did not often look to push the ball down the field; there were a lot of short completions. The notable exception is when he drifted out of the pocket left and threw a touchdown to Dallas Goedert, who was trailed by Kelee Ringo in coverage.
  According to BLG. Rolled out left throwing a long TD. Crisp and showing good accuracy and command of the O. Pretty much reads like exactly what you’d hope things to be going like for our QB. But it’s just first day of practice.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But this is all why I skipped over all that…not trying to be snobby. I just have a different viewpoint.

But again... you jump ahead in the conversation...you don't even give me a chance to express any " view point"

Why do you do it?  

Stop trying to anticipate where I'm going with a conversation and just stay there in the moment.    Like a normal guy...not like an emotional woman who goes on defense before hearing anything. 

Just this point....  Doug had his success with his first OC.   So did Siri... can we agree simply on just this point without you thinking where I am going next?

You disagree?  You think Doug or Siri did better without them...   THATS IT DON’T JUMP AHEAD YET..JUST THIS ANSWER. 

2nd point.... both Doug and Siri struggled without their initial OCs.. and had meetings with Lurie after the season.  You disagree there?

Doug didn't do what the owner/ front office... or if it makes you happier... dictator Howie .... wanted him to do... then he got fired 

Siri did...has a job.

You disagree... with JUST THAT?    

FUHRER ROSEMAN... KING HOWIE...WHATEVER...   Doug didn't agree.... Siri did.... one fired one kept job.

I believe Lurie gave Andy too much time... he then gave Chip the rope to hang himself.    I believe he was ok with both scenarios.    I think Doug should have been given the chance for one more season to see what happened doing it his way.

You disagree  ... you think Doug should have been fired?   

Now I think with Siri... I think they gave him a chance to do it the way it worked originally... bring in your playcaller..from the outside.  

Now ..  you can say it's FUHRER Roseman...King Howie... Rosie the dictator... 

Doesn't matter.... the point is that what's going on is exactly how they want it.  The coach going back to what worked.    If it works...he stays... if not... then he goes. 

But I can't see any way Moore stays and Siri goes.  Makes no sense, Moore's success leads to Siri's success. 

You don't change the dynamic that works.  Siri changed that dynamic last year, that's why they changed.  If this one works, they won't change. 

But I'm good with it...because I like my guys in a prove it situation.   We either keep a successful thing going or we change it.    No emotions involved. 

Win the Superbowl... go tell Giants fans you took their best player.... or we suck, and you do everything prestine off the field...    you keep the job or get fired for the results, not any comments to fans. 

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

". Prior to practice, Howie Roseman essentially acknowledged that they’re going to be evaluating WR3 closely.” According to BLG

Uhhh... I hope so.  

24 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Just this point....  Doug had his success with his first OC.   So did Siri... can we agree simply on just this point without you thinking where I am going next?

You disagree?  You think Doug or Siri did better without them...   THATS IT DON’T JUMP AHEAD YET..JUST THIS ANSWER. 

Yes I agree on the success. Sorry I don’t realize there were all these other steps in between anything I got into. Please elaborate.

I don't think a good look... after firing the only SB winning coach ( for what everyone knows was disagreement on future coaching hires).... then firing the winning coach in franchise history... after he does exactly what worked and what you want him to do...  

That's a bad look.   I believe to fire the next coach...after Doug, they need more to justify.  Otherwise who would want the job?

I think their egos need Siri to keep the job and keep winning more than Doug does in Jacksonville. 

That pettiness...or arrogance...I absolutely believe exists . 

You fire your coach on the disagreement of the future, not what happens in the past.    

They got an outside play caller.. expecting fresh ideas and motion etc.

They got a stud RB plus a #3... should be better run game

Drafted a YAC guy 

Extended all the young players... 

Coach has everything that was told to the public he wanted...doesn't matter if it's dictator Howie putting those words in his mouth... that's what is out there.  So if Siri has all that he wants...then fails...justification for firing now.  Not based off of emotion from 2023 finish. 

Much better look.  But if he succeeds... how do you fire him?

Because he doesn't call the plays...like Tomlin and Harbaugh?

6 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Now I think with Siri... I think they gave him a chance to do it the way it worked originally... bring in your playcaller..from the outside.  

Now ..  you can say it's FUHRER Roseman...King Howie... Rosie the dictator... 

Doesn't matter.... the point is that what's going on is exactly how they want it.  The coach going back to what worked.    If it works...he stays... if not... then he goes. 

But I can't see any way Moore stays and Siri goes.  Makes no sense, Moore's success leads to Siri's success. 

You don't change the dynamic that works.  Siri changed that dynamic last year, that's why they changed.  If this one works, they won't change. 

But I'm good with it...because I like my guys in a prove it situation.   We either keep a successful thing going or we change it.    No emotions involved. 

Win the Superbowl... go tell Giants fans you took their best player.... or we suck, and you do everything prestine off the field...    you keep the job or get fired for the results, not any comments to fans. 

Now this is jumping ahead. But with success what happens to the successful coordinator that is crucial with the O mind? Reich, Steichen…hopefully Moore? In Pedey’s case I believe he was the more valuable coach. Let Reich go. In Steichens case…I believe he was the more valuable. Now Moore was the runner up choice by Rosie(FO) for our HC job he lost out to Siri for. So with success might develop a fork in the road. A choice to be made. Siri got the nod over Moore I believe because of the coordinators he was bringing with him. Basically because of the whole package. Now in this case you have Moore and Coach Doug as the package. Whom is the side to choose to keep? Siri? Or Moore? This is under the optimistic outcome of this season. 
  Now you can say this isn’t the way traditionally anybody has done things. Which you are correct with. But I’m pointing out the value is in top O mind. That’s the hardest coach to obtain…without giving him the HC mantle. Look across the league. The guys who aren’t O minded HC will get their OCs poached. Like Steichen. Lions OC Johnson is getting his own team after this season. Texans OC Slowik is getting his own team. So to secure that O mind you gotta make him HC. What they believed they did originally by hiring Siri. But should have realized became Steichen clearly in front of all our eyes. Seemed obvious the way it played out here …but then was a strong first season in Indy as HC for him. Made a mistake there. Stuck thinking inside the box. So now in a best case scenario we’ll face the same situation. So don’t make the same mistake.

We have Fangio already locked in place. You give me a Shannahan on the O side then it’s just up to personnel decisions and health.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Now this is jumping ahead. But with success what happens to the successful coordinator that is crucial with the O mind? Reich, Steichen…hopefully Moore? In Pedey’s case I believe he was the more valuable coach. Let Reich go. In Steichens case…I believe he was the more valuable. Now Moore was the runner up choice by Rosie(FO) for our HC job he lost out to Siri for. So with success might develop a fork in the road. A choice to be made. Siri got the nod over Moore I believe because of the coordinators he was bringing with him. Basically because of the whole package. Now in this case you have Moore and Coach Doug as the package. Whom is the side to choose to keep? Siri? Or Moore? This is under the optimistic outcome of this season. 
  Now you can say this isn’t the way traditionally anybody has done things. Which you are correct with. But I’m pointing out the value is in top O mind. That’s the hardest coach to obtain…without giving him the HC mantle. Look across the league. The guys who aren’t O minded HC will get their OCs poached. Like Steichen. Lions OC Johnson is getting his own team after this season. Texans OC Slowik is getting his own team. So to secure that O mind you gotta make him HC. What they believed they did originally by hiring Siri. But should have realized became Steichen clearly in front of all our eyes. Seemed obvious the way it played out here …but then was a strong first season in Indy as HC for him. Made a mistake there. Stuck thinking inside the box. So now in a best case scenario we’ll face the same situation. So don’t make the same mistake.

When in the history of football... was there a team with success... then fired the coach to keep the coordinator. 

And " No Mas, you miss new ways of doing things etc. " doesn't work here as an answer?   You believe Lurie would keep Moore and fire Siri.... after choosing Siri over Moore in the first place?

Why wouldn't he just allow Siri to pick another OC?   Especially after he just would have had success with two OCs?  And Moore no track record as a head coach...a different job than OC.

14 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I don't think a good look... after firing the only SB winning coach ( for what everyone knows was disagreement on future coaching hires).... then firing the winning coach in franchise history... after he does exactly what worked and what you want him to do...  

That's a bad look.   I believe to fire the next coach...after Doug, they need more to justify.  Otherwise who would want the job?

I think their egos need Siri to keep the job and keep winning more than Doug does in Jacksonville. 

That pettiness...or arrogance...I absolutely believe exists . 

Aren’t we already somewhat there with who wants the job? Think it’s fairly well understood league wide our situation. Also see how it looks like Fangio kind of busted through that wall a bit. He isn’t some green lap dog for the FO. So is what’s crucial is to only hire the young hungry coach that as good as he can get is any opportunity he’s given in the league? Or are we willing to give more power and control to the next coming of McVay? 
  There are many positives that come with the Eagles HC job. I don’t want to ignore those. They are crucial. But Rosie(our FO) is limiting ourselves with the coaching hires. Doesn’t our team deserve the best coaches we can get? Isn’t it worth the price we need to pay to hire a coach so good Rosie(our FO) will be risking losing some control and power over? Shouldn’t that actually pretty much be the goal?

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

When in the history of football... was there a team with success... then fired the coach to keep the coordinator. 

And " No Mas, you miss new ways of doing things etc. " doesn't work here as an answer?   You believe Lurie would keep Moore and fire Siri.... after choosing Siri over Moore in the first place?

Why wouldn't he just allow Siri to pick another OC?   Especially after he just would have had success with two OCs?  And Moore no track record as a head coach...a different job than OC.

Already explained this. First off it’s a very direct competition for the HC job in the first place. That Siri won out over Moore because he had Gannon in tow.

Your value is in a top O mind....do you think Lurie thinks of Doug and Siri as top O minds...  or guys that run the entire ship better.   

What do you think Lurie thinks of Chip?  Was he super with people or considered a top O mind?

Was Siri chosen over Moore because he had a better O mind?

You think Lurie kept Reid around so long because he was a top O mind...or he felt Reid was organized and good running the organization?  

My thinking here isn’t any new way it’s being done and sure isn’t the past. But in the past was full of all kinds of D minded coaches being elevated to HC. That just isn’t the way of the league nearly as much. The O minded coaches are the most coveted hardest coaches to obtain? Do you agree?

9 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We have Fangio already locked in place. You give me a Shannahan on the O side then it’s just up to personnel decisions and health.

Shannahan.... O mind... or his players?  

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Aren’t we already somewhat there with who wants the job? Think it’s fairly well understood league wide our situation. Also see how it looks like Fangio kind of busted through that wall a bit. He isn’t some green lap dog for the FO. So is what’s crucial is to only hire the young hungry coach that as good as he can get is any opportunity he’s given in the league? Or are we willing to give more power and control to the next coming of McVay? 
  There are many positives that come with the Eagles HC job. I don’t want to ignore those. They are crucial. But Rosie(our FO) is limiting ourselves with the coaching hires. Doesn’t our team deserve the best coaches we can get? Isn’t it worth the price we need to pay to hire a coach so good Rosie(our FO) will be risking losing some control and power over? Shouldn’t that actually pretty much be the goal?

I think you yourself have this obsession with this " offensive mind"  I don't think you see how Lurie views things.  He went that route once... Lurie doesn't seem like a guy who would look to go back to what burned him, especially after having success the other way.

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

My thinking here isn’t any new way it’s being done and sure isn’t the past. But in the past was full of all kinds of D minded coaches being elevated to HC. That just isn’t the way of the league nearly as much. The O minded coaches are the most coveted hardest coaches to obtain? Do you agree?

Winning coaches are the hardest to obtain. 

I agree the league has more head coaches with an offensive background at the moment...absolutely. 

But I don't go as far as you do with words like " covet"

I think the media likes to sensationalize things....also fits your personality perfectly.    But I don't think any owner would fire a winning head coach to keep the OC.

Easier to find an O mind to be an OC..than a guy who can run the whole show successfully as a head coach.  

Just look at who wins at the end.  

 

O mind can't win without talent... then we see plenty of O minds ultimately fail at the end because they can't balance the whole thing as a head coach.  That takes not only talent...but proper people skills. 

 

27 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Already explained this. First off it’s a very direct competition for the HC job in the first place. That Siri won out over Moore because he had Gannon in tow.

Right... Siri had a bigger plan with the overall coaching job that Moore did.  It wasn't due to being an O mind.

Now we have Fangio in place... an old dude that wanted to come back to the area.  How long do you think he coaches here?   

Wouldn't it make sense to keep the guy who you agree with his ideas of assistants he would hire.... vs a guy like Moore who you already interviewed? 

I don't get why you don't understand the concept...if Siri wins again..with  2 different coordinators... why wouldn't logic tell you he could do it again ...vs an unproven head coach?