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5 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Take over what?

As HC. Who are all the D minded he has interviewed for our top job?Obviously hasn’t hired any.

5 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I agree.. around the  NFL..   for the Eagles....that's not how it works.  They were voted the #1 front office... ( that's the combo of Lurie/ Howie and everyone else.   You think they want to give up power?

I understand completely....THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT.   You won't get me to agree that Lurie will give up the power.   

But wait …he did actually show signs of willingness to Chip. All I’m saying is to do it with a better choice.

5 hours ago, joemas6 said:

didnt Tampa win recently?

Arians did win it with Brady

5 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Who were the OC's in Dallas for Aikman?   Who was the great O mind for Brady all these years and in Tampa?  Any of them make a good head coach?  How about for Manning?  And the other Manning in NY?  Not a fan of McCarthy... how about the O minds of Seattle?  Who was the OC for Denver when they won? 

 

You’re going back in time before O minds really dominated the league like now. Talking about what we need to win a championship in 2024 and forward. Not how somebody else did it decades ago. They got Fangio in place…a year late…but he’s here now. Who’s the O mind to pair with him for us to get this done?

Bellicheat wasn’t an O mind but is such a student of the game. But he had McDaniels whom is pretty brilliant X and O wise. Terrible HC though.

5 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Not Fangio.... not Siri.... so Moore would be the possible one that is poached.

You are a franchise.... Moore has had his history in the league.    It was ok right.    If the Eagles have success... but it's nothing that looks super creative, more so the talent on the field.

you think teams will be jumping to get Moore?    You see him as a " top O mind"  just because he has success with the perceived top talented offense in the league... and your boy at QB... or just in a good situation?    

And if he gets poached... do you seriously think he will be that hard to replace?    You already aren't that impressed with him.

I don’t see Moore as a brilliant O mind. That’s kind of been my holdup with our whole situation. But he’s about as good as we could do for getting an experienced OC. Siri can’t develop some green young O mind. But our FO did interview him multiple times for our HC job before settling on Siri. So it’s easy to see him earning his own team by taking what didn’t look too cohesive most of the year last year here and spinning that into some gold. It’s his O. There is talent on O here. If we produce an elite O Moore will get the credit.

23 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But wait …he did actually show signs of willingness to Chip. All I’m saying is to do it with a better choice.

So is there a hesitancy for Rosie to want to make that potential hire again? He lost control with Chip so he wasn’t going to let Pedey do the same to him. That’s why we only look to hire the green hungry coach with potential types. 

Need a HC that can grow into deserving more and more responsibility and control.

5 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

FWIW-Ogbah signed with Miami

 

Saw that and it was cheaper than I had assumed like 5 mil. We are on the get these young guys reps and experience train now…full speed ahead. Nolan Smith has clearly been transforming his body. Looks beefed up for real.

Day 2 live update- 1)Hurts looks sharp  2)We are using pre snap motion Both things I wanted to hear

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But wait …he did actually show signs of willingness to Chip. All I’m saying is to do it with a better choice.

They don't want to give up power. In reality they never gave up power all the way.  It was convenient that we got out of both of the MeSeans contracts ...and then a year later we're able to unload Chip's guys for barely any dead money. 

I think that was their way of having the excuse to keep control.  Now you hire Doug then Siri..both guys just looking to coach...both success.  I can't imagine they give up control ...and you believe they were considering hiring Belicheck but didn't want to give up control,  but think they would to someone else ... at time of hire????  

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Arians did win it with Brady

Arians a genius O mind or good football guy running the whole show?

Just now, joemas6 said:

Arians a genius O mind or good football guy running the whole show?

Not to mention all that talent on O.

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You’re going back in time before O minds really dominated the league like now. Talking about what we need to win a championship in 2024 and forward. Not how somebody else did it decades ago. They got Fangio in place…a year late…but he’s here now. Who’s the O mind to pair with him for us to get this done?

Fangio as DC....the O mind as OC.  I agree ..that's how they want it under Siri.  100%

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Bellicheat wasn’t an O mind but is such a student of the game. But he had McDaniels whom is pretty brilliant X and O wise. Terrible HC though.

I don’t see Moore as a brilliant O mind. That’s kind of been my holdup with our whole situation. But he’s about as good as we could do for getting an experienced OC. Siri can’t develop some green young O mind. But our FO did interview him multiple times for our HC job before settling on Siri. So it’s easy to see him earning his own team by taking what didn’t look too cohesive most of the year last year here and spinning that into some gold. It’s his O. There is talent on O here. If we produce an elite O Moore will get the credit.

Siri can't develop some green young O mind....   who was his first OC?   How old ???

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So is there a hesitancy for Rosie to want to make that potential hire again? He lost control with Chip so he wasn’t going to let Pedey do the same to him. That’s why we only look to hire the green hungry coach with potential types. 

There is a hesitancy for Lurie... Lurie hires the head coach.  Lurie likes the organizational structure.  Lurie is in charge.  Lurie. 

16 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

They don't want to give up power. In reality they never gave up power all the way.  It was convenient that we got out of both of the MeSeans contracts ...and then a year later we're able to unload Chip's guys for barely any dead money. 

I think that was their way of having the excuse to keep control.  Now you hire Doug then Siri..both guys just looking to coach...both success.  I can't imagine they give up control ...and you believe they were considering hiring Belicheck but didn't want to give up control,  but think they would to someone else ... at time of hire????  

No. My thoughts are on the two leading HC candidates right now this next offseason. Johnson and Slowik both OC never been HC before. So they are a fit for us. Top O minded HC candidates. First time getting their own team so they won’t demand all the power right away. But if they are quality enough coaches like I expect that time will be coming. But I don’t think the FO had to give up all power and lock Rosie in a seperate ring and all. Just need a normal working relationship between GM and a quality HC. Strike the professional balance to succeed. 

19 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Arians a genius O mind or good football guy running the whole show?

I’m totally biased with Arians so you tell me. I respect the heck out of him for his whole life and career. I see him as a great coach and person. But admit some personal bias very at play with a coach I’m so familiar with.

18 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Siri can't develop some green young O mind....   who was his first OC?   How old ???

He didn’t develop Steichen…Steichen bailed him out. Then last year that was a big part of the problem. Johnson I think is a good coach…if he was under AR or McVay he would work out just fine. But Siri not an OC even really himself. He was only good under Reich a very quality OC himself, though he posed as a HC at the moment in Indy.

18 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

There is a hesitancy for Lurie... Lurie hires the head coach.  Lurie likes the organizational structure.  Lurie is in charge.  Lurie. 

This is my complaint. Holding us back. You can focus solely on personnel always all you like. But without the coaching and scheme we are limited. Lurie and Rosie  just aren’t football guys…we need football guys running more of the football stuff.

26 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Fangio as DC....the O mind as OC.  I agree ..that's how they want it under Siri.  100%

See I’m looking at the problems that structure inherits. Let’s skip the fact I don’t understand Siri as a CEO type HC in the first place. In talking about to get the best O minded coach you have to make him HC. The alternative is you limit yourself to the best of the rest that will be willing to except being just OC. Being that the top O coaches are first in line getting their own teams across the league. So if we hire a quality OC in this current format he’s getting poached by another team immediately..one year maybe two. Then we are coach searching again. Stuck in this circle. But can’t hire some bright young O mind to develop as OC because Siri can’t develop them. So we strictly need experienced O mind willing to only be OC. Severely limiting our potential coaching talent pool. So we take chances and hire bad ones. Have to deal and waste years on that. But even the best versions of that scenario means we lose our good hire to be poached after one or two seasons. Think about this in any longer term views. At best you pretty much can only accomplish having quality coaching fifty percent of the time. Heck two good OC hires in a decade would get you 4 years out of ten of quality coaching. Is that even anything to strive towards?

33 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

There is a hesitancy for Lurie... Lurie hires the head coach.  Lurie likes the organizational structure.  Lurie is in charge.  Lurie. 

Lurie is in charge. Not just a completely sit back and let the football guys run the football business owner. But not as involved as Jerry Jones. He has Rosie running everything for him. Nothing crazy needs to happen here. Just a more traditional structure of the FO jobs staying more in the area if the FO mandates. Hiring a coach that is if quality enough to handle more of the coaching duties. That’s all.

45 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

There is a hesitancy for Lurie... Lurie hires the head coach.  Lurie likes the organizational structure.  Lurie is in charge.  Lurie. 

I like the hungry types,they work harder

57 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Day 2 live update- 1)Hurts looks sharp  2)We are using pre snap motion Both things I wanted to hear

The fact Hurts seems to be learning new offensive sets and executing them under Moore is an excellent sign that Hurts is grasping new concepts but as a "hater" IDK