6 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Going off on a tangent.. why,? Why do you do it? 

You don't realize how difficult it is to have a conversation when you do this?

Well I was rating you state about Pedey…and comparisons to Siri. Like I said…I don’t totally agree with you. So these are very relevant facts to the situation. Which I place on Rosie for the most part.

6 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Art of conversation...you listen 50 percent if not more... don't skip ahead in the conversation... you already know your thoughts on step 10... let's discuss step 1 - 9 first... then you might get an idea where other people are. 

You just assume everyone is going to disagree with you and can't stay within the conversation.   Why?

I thought you said when Reich left…like when Steichen left. I pointed out a very huge divide in what I’m hearing as your logic. Or you could stick with the quick what you felt was snobby reply.

But can agree about going down from Steichen to Johnson or Reich to Groh. But Pedey was the O mind and handled it much better. Had us ready to make it to the NFC Championship game. Steichen was the O mind so Siri can’t carry a young inexperienced OC. 
 Pedey didn’t wear the emotion and breakdowns like Siri did last season either. I mean he lost his cool as the team took a nosedive.  But see I also believe this reeks of Rosie meddling. Going back to his hiring of Desai(really the loss of Fangio) but setting up the Patricia card he was always going to play. Desai actually outperformed my expectations. The D was always set up to fail last year personnel GM job alone even. Desai was setup as a scapegoat almost as soon as he was hired. Brought in Patricia to undermine him all along. He has a totally different system and D…plus the huge beef with Slay.

53 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Then..

1.  Doug wanted to keep his guys THAT REPLACED REICH

2.  while Siri made the change 

Do you disagree with any of that?

These are facts.  Not worried about opinions or gut instincts or what you or I think the reasons for anything...  just simply the facts.

We can get into the opinions later...but you disagree with anything so far?

You don't think Doug ans Siri worked well with their original OCs... or that when both OCs left it went downhill?

Or that Doug was fired for another reason other than not wanting to change OCs?

Doug chose his guys. Rosie chose Siris guys. Those are how I see those facts.

But this is all why I skipped over all that…not trying to be snobby. I just have a different viewpoint.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Doug chose his guys. Rosie chose Siris guys. Those are how I see those facts.

The replacements. Pedey chose Groh. I don’t think Siri ever chose Johnson really. Or Desai. Or Moore. Or Fangio. Siri fought to keep his passing game coordinator. Anybody loyal to him. It matters.

34 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Going off on a tangent.. why,? Why do you do it? 

You don't realize how difficult it is to have a conversation when you do this?

So your point is it was Pedey making coaching errors? Not a lesser team and the Alshon bobble interception in the clutch?

Fly Eagles Fly

37 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Lol... again... NOTHING OUTSIDE THE BOX... 

1. You disagree Doug worked with Reich

2. You disagree Siri worked with Steichen

3. You disagree both suffered without their original OCs

4. You disagree Doug was fired because of assistant coaching preference?

Lesser teams and lost OCs ok. Pedey still almost made the NFC Championship with a lesser team. Basically Pedey was the alpha with Reich a good OC. Steichen was the alpha in there relationship though. Seems like this matters in this discussion.

  Number four is tough. Because you aren’t going to like that I’m going to say Pedey was fired for wanting and earning more power and control. Rosie won’t give that away and needed to pump his chest about how he brought the city our only SB parade. But Rosie didn’t like the OC choice of Taylor was the main version of why Rosie was forced to fire him supposedly.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

I love it..." maybe you bring up some good points"   lol.     

You really don't realize how snobby that comes off? 

And that’s why I basically made this statement originally

Mechki Becton was throwing up from the fast paced tempo of practice

". Prior to practice, Howie Roseman essentially acknowledged that they’re going to be evaluating WR3 closely.” According to BLG

Hurts earned one thumbs up for Wednesday’s performance. He looked much more crisp than he did when we last saw him in the spring. Hurts only had one incompletion, which was a bad drop by DeVonta Smith. For the most part, he was efficient and decisive. He looked comfortable commanding the offense and getting the ball out quickly. Hurts did not often look to push the ball down the field; there were a lot of short completions. The notable exception is when he drifted out of the pocket left and threw a touchdown to Dallas Goedert, who was trailed by Kelee Ringo in coverage.
  According to BLG. Rolled out left throwing a long TD. Crisp and showing good accuracy and command of the O. Pretty much reads like exactly what you’d hope things to be going like for our QB. But it’s just first day of practice.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But this is all why I skipped over all that…not trying to be snobby. I just have a different viewpoint.

But again... you jump ahead in the conversation...you don't even give me a chance to express any " view point"

Why do you do it?  

Stop trying to anticipate where I'm going with a conversation and just stay there in the moment.    Like a normal guy...not like an emotional woman who goes on defense before hearing anything. 

Just this point....  Doug had his success with his first OC.   So did Siri... can we agree simply on just this point without you thinking where I am going next?

You disagree?  You think Doug or Siri did better without them...   THATS IT DON’T JUMP AHEAD YET..JUST THIS ANSWER. 

2nd point.... both Doug and Siri struggled without their initial OCs.. and had meetings with Lurie after the season.  You disagree there?

Doug didn't do what the owner/ front office... or if it makes you happier... dictator Howie .... wanted him to do... then he got fired 

Siri did...has a job.

You disagree... with JUST THAT?    

FUHRER ROSEMAN... KING HOWIE...WHATEVER...   Doug didn't agree.... Siri did.... one fired one kept job.

I believe Lurie gave Andy too much time... he then gave Chip the rope to hang himself.    I believe he was ok with both scenarios.    I think Doug should have been given the chance for one more season to see what happened doing it his way.

You disagree  ... you think Doug should have been fired?   

Now I think with Siri... I think they gave him a chance to do it the way it worked originally... bring in your playcaller..from the outside.  

Now ..  you can say it's FUHRER Roseman...King Howie... Rosie the dictator... 

Doesn't matter.... the point is that what's going on is exactly how they want it.  The coach going back to what worked.    If it works...he stays... if not... then he goes. 

But I can't see any way Moore stays and Siri goes.  Makes no sense, Moore's success leads to Siri's success. 

You don't change the dynamic that works.  Siri changed that dynamic last year, that's why they changed.  If this one works, they won't change. 

But I'm good with it...because I like my guys in a prove it situation.   We either keep a successful thing going or we change it.    No emotions involved. 

Win the Superbowl... go tell Giants fans you took their best player.... or we suck, and you do everything prestine off the field...    you keep the job or get fired for the results, not any comments to fans. 

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

". Prior to practice, Howie Roseman essentially acknowledged that they’re going to be evaluating WR3 closely.” According to BLG

Uhhh... I hope so.  

24 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Just this point....  Doug had his success with his first OC.   So did Siri... can we agree simply on just this point without you thinking where I am going next?

You disagree?  You think Doug or Siri did better without them...   THATS IT DON’T JUMP AHEAD YET..JUST THIS ANSWER. 

Yes I agree on the success. Sorry I don’t realize there were all these other steps in between anything I got into. Please elaborate.

I don't think a good look... after firing the only SB winning coach ( for what everyone knows was disagreement on future coaching hires).... then firing the winning coach in franchise history... after he does exactly what worked and what you want him to do...  

That's a bad look.   I believe to fire the next coach...after Doug, they need more to justify.  Otherwise who would want the job?

I think their egos need Siri to keep the job and keep winning more than Doug does in Jacksonville. 

That pettiness...or arrogance...I absolutely believe exists . 

You fire your coach on the disagreement of the future, not what happens in the past.    

They got an outside play caller.. expecting fresh ideas and motion etc.

They got a stud RB plus a #3... should be better run game

Drafted a YAC guy 

Extended all the young players... 

Coach has everything that was told to the public he wanted...doesn't matter if it's dictator Howie putting those words in his mouth... that's what is out there.  So if Siri has all that he wants...then fails...justification for firing now.  Not based off of emotion from 2023 finish. 

Much better look.  But if he succeeds... how do you fire him?

Because he doesn't call the plays...like Tomlin and Harbaugh?

6 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Now I think with Siri... I think they gave him a chance to do it the way it worked originally... bring in your playcaller..from the outside.  

Now ..  you can say it's FUHRER Roseman...King Howie... Rosie the dictator... 

Doesn't matter.... the point is that what's going on is exactly how they want it.  The coach going back to what worked.    If it works...he stays... if not... then he goes. 

But I can't see any way Moore stays and Siri goes.  Makes no sense, Moore's success leads to Siri's success. 

You don't change the dynamic that works.  Siri changed that dynamic last year, that's why they changed.  If this one works, they won't change. 

But I'm good with it...because I like my guys in a prove it situation.   We either keep a successful thing going or we change it.    No emotions involved. 

Win the Superbowl... go tell Giants fans you took their best player.... or we suck, and you do everything prestine off the field...    you keep the job or get fired for the results, not any comments to fans. 

Now this is jumping ahead. But with success what happens to the successful coordinator that is crucial with the O mind? Reich, Steichen…hopefully Moore? In Pedey’s case I believe he was the more valuable coach. Let Reich go. In Steichens case…I believe he was the more valuable. Now Moore was the runner up choice by Rosie(FO) for our HC job he lost out to Siri for. So with success might develop a fork in the road. A choice to be made. Siri got the nod over Moore I believe because of the coordinators he was bringing with him. Basically because of the whole package. Now in this case you have Moore and Coach Doug as the package. Whom is the side to choose to keep? Siri? Or Moore? This is under the optimistic outcome of this season. 
  Now you can say this isn’t the way traditionally anybody has done things. Which you are correct with. But I’m pointing out the value is in top O mind. That’s the hardest coach to obtain…without giving him the HC mantle. Look across the league. The guys who aren’t O minded HC will get their OCs poached. Like Steichen. Lions OC Johnson is getting his own team after this season. Texans OC Slowik is getting his own team. So to secure that O mind you gotta make him HC. What they believed they did originally by hiring Siri. But should have realized became Steichen clearly in front of all our eyes. Seemed obvious the way it played out here …but then was a strong first season in Indy as HC for him. Made a mistake there. Stuck thinking inside the box. So now in a best case scenario we’ll face the same situation. So don’t make the same mistake.

We have Fangio already locked in place. You give me a Shannahan on the O side then it’s just up to personnel decisions and health.