1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Sorry if it did. I was trying to give you props without getting too long winded adding in talking about the other parts.

Couldn't say...." good points" ....had to throw in a maybe?

Lol

That's like..." maybe the Eagles defense wasn't good last year " maybe that's a good point...lol

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Basically not sure I fully agree with you…but you bring up food for thought. A well thought out and explained reasoning of your viewpoint.

Ok....here it is in bullet point.

1. Doug worked while Reich was here

2. Doug didn't work at the end after Reich left

....  similar .. Siri worked while Steichen was here.... didn't work without him

Whatever role you want to put...it was absolutely a collaboration of 2 guys ..then the OC left...both times..

We agree here.  A system where when both were here it worked...when one left it didn't?   

You disagree with that?

Then..

1.  Doug wanted to keep his guys THAT REPLACED REICH

2.  while Siri made the change 

Do you disagree with any of that?

These are facts.  Not worried about opinions or gut instincts or what you or I think the reasons for anything...  just simply the facts.

We can get into the opinions later...but you disagree with anything so far?

You don't think Doug ans Siri worked well with their original OCs... or that when both OCs left it went downhill?

Or that Doug was fired for another reason other than not wanting to change OCs?

 We can agree... I didn't like Doug getting fired.  

My reasoning...I felt he deserved to be proven wrong...meaning, he deserved a shot to go out like Chip... his way.

Let him pick his coaches and see what happens. Just like Chip was given the same rope... let Doug use the rope to swing over to the winning side or hang himself with it.  Then fire him with everyone on board...like with Chip

 

Except Doug just won you a SB..Chip's contributions were Stout and sports science ( not insignificant,  but Doug won with those while Chip didn't)

Doug absolutely deserved that shot ..IMO

But then 2 years later SB again. So maybe Lurie/ Howie know a little... who knows?   I gotta give them some credit.  Even though not a fan of their arrogance at times.  

21 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Ok....here it is in bullet point.

1. Doug worked while Reich was here

2. Doug didn't work at the end after Reich left

....  similar .. Siri worked while Steichen was here.... didn't work without him

Whatever role you want to put...it was absolutely a collaboration of 2 guys ..then the OC left...both times..

We agree here.  A system where when both were here it worked...when one left it didn't?   

You disagree with that?

You know you aren’t going to like my answer. I’m going to point at Rosie’s role like I did the whole time while things got to that point. Downhill circle created by the Rosie Magic Contracts you love. If you want to even begin to get into all of this instead of accepting my props and food for thought though I don’t completely agree with your assessment statement.

Fast forward to now.

1. Andy Reid turned me off to any " pressers"  so I don't watch much. I wanted to punch Andy in the face most of the time when he came off like an idiot..." gimeny crickets, we gotta do a better job there, times yours""  uhhhh...etc.

14 years of that from 26 to age 40 for me... that's enough listening to a coach say nothing. 

But back to now... I don't care who calls the plays.  I don't need the genius...I don't believe in the genius.  And that's not saying I don't think coaching matters...I just don't think any genius can do anything without the players. 

If we have similar results to 2 years ago with Siri as coach but someone else call plays... then I'm fine.

If it doesn't work....then he goes.  But let the coach go out doing it his way.  Just because I didn't agree with how they handled Doug, doesn't mean I want them to do the same with Siri... its the opposite.  

But easier for me because I don't get emotionally attached to a player or coach.  

24 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Ok....here it is in bullet point.

1. Doug worked while Reich was here

2. Doug didn't work at the end after Reich left

....  similar .. Siri worked while Steichen was here.... didn't work without him

Whatever role you want to put...it was absolutely a collaboration of 2 guys ..then the OC left...both times..

We agree here.  A system where when both were here it worked...when one left it didn't?   

You disagree with that?

We didn’t have a real high quality team after Reich left…but really coaching wise we could have made it to the NFC Championship game. Dang Alshon at the end. I believed we were going to pull that playoff game off.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

We didn’t have a real high quality team after Reich left…but really coaching wise we could have made it to the NFC Championship game. Dang Alshon at the end. I believed we were going to pull that playoff game off.

Or was a good team…but clearly a step down from the years previous  team.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You know you aren’t going to like my answer. I’m going to point at Rosie’s role like I did the whole time while things got to that point. Downhill circle created by the Rosie Magic Contracts you love. If you want to even begin to get into all of this instead of accepting my props and food for thought though I don’t completely agree with your assessment statement.

Lol... again... NOTHING OUTSIDE THE BOX... 

1. You disagree Doug worked with Reich

2. You disagree Siri worked with Steichen

3. You disagree both suffered without their original OCs

4. You disagree Doug was fired because of assistant coaching preference?

11 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Except Doug just won you a SB..Chip's contributions were Stout and sports science ( not insignificant,  but Doug won with those while Chip didn't)

Doug absolutely deserved that shot ..IMO

But then 2 years later SB again. So maybe Lurie/ Howie know a little... who knows?   I gotta give them some credit.  Even though not a fan of their arrogance at times.  

But you could look at as Pedey and Schwartz win that second SB…and for all the good things Rosie did his weakness couldn’t be overcome.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We didn’t have a real high quality team after Reich left…but really coaching wise we could have made it to the NFC Championship game. Dang Alshon at the end. I believed we were going to pull that playoff game off.

Going off on a tangent.. why,? Why do you do it? 

You don't realize how difficult it is to have a conversation when you do this?

Art of conversation...you listen 50 percent if not more... don't skip ahead in the conversation... you already know your thoughts on step 10... let's discuss step 1 - 9 first... then you might get an idea where other people are. 

You just assume everyone is going to disagree with you and can't stay within the conversation.   Why?

13 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Except Doug just won you a SB..Chip's contributions were Stout and sports science ( not insignificant,  but Doug won with those while Chip didn't)

Doug absolutely deserved that shot ..IMO

But then 2 years later SB again. So maybe Lurie/ Howie know a little... who knows?   I gotta give them some credit.  Even though not a fan of their arrogance at times.  

I don’t see how Pedey’s time here really correlated with his coaching performance. I directly was pointing out how the GM job personnel wise was going downhill pointing towards the predictable lesser and lesser outcomes. Now two years later after the SB….are we better or worse. I see lesser. Predictably…from what I see as the flaw in Rosie’s job performance. 2018 we still actually had a shot and made a run at least. 2023’s roster had very serious flaws. I couldn’t ever see that team really contending. Why I had complaints and wasn’t all rainbows and roses at 10-1. The main thing we had going for us this time past SB was the draft picks. Carter the highlight…that gave/gives optimism towards a quicker turn around cycle to overcome the cap management.

6 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Going off on a tangent.. why,? Why do you do it? 

You don't realize how difficult it is to have a conversation when you do this?

Well I was rating you state about Pedey…and comparisons to Siri. Like I said…I don’t totally agree with you. So these are very relevant facts to the situation. Which I place on Rosie for the most part.

6 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Art of conversation...you listen 50 percent if not more... don't skip ahead in the conversation... you already know your thoughts on step 10... let's discuss step 1 - 9 first... then you might get an idea where other people are. 

You just assume everyone is going to disagree with you and can't stay within the conversation.   Why?

I thought you said when Reich left…like when Steichen left. I pointed out a very huge divide in what I’m hearing as your logic. Or you could stick with the quick what you felt was snobby reply.

But can agree about going down from Steichen to Johnson or Reich to Groh. But Pedey was the O mind and handled it much better. Had us ready to make it to the NFC Championship game. Steichen was the O mind so Siri can’t carry a young inexperienced OC. 
 Pedey didn’t wear the emotion and breakdowns like Siri did last season either. I mean he lost his cool as the team took a nosedive.  But see I also believe this reeks of Rosie meddling. Going back to his hiring of Desai(really the loss of Fangio) but setting up the Patricia card he was always going to play. Desai actually outperformed my expectations. The D was always set up to fail last year personnel GM job alone even. Desai was setup as a scapegoat almost as soon as he was hired. Brought in Patricia to undermine him all along. He has a totally different system and D…plus the huge beef with Slay.

53 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Then..

1.  Doug wanted to keep his guys THAT REPLACED REICH

2.  while Siri made the change 

Do you disagree with any of that?

These are facts.  Not worried about opinions or gut instincts or what you or I think the reasons for anything...  just simply the facts.

We can get into the opinions later...but you disagree with anything so far?

You don't think Doug ans Siri worked well with their original OCs... or that when both OCs left it went downhill?

Or that Doug was fired for another reason other than not wanting to change OCs?

Doug chose his guys. Rosie chose Siris guys. Those are how I see those facts.

But this is all why I skipped over all that…not trying to be snobby. I just have a different viewpoint.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Doug chose his guys. Rosie chose Siris guys. Those are how I see those facts.

The replacements. Pedey chose Groh. I don’t think Siri ever chose Johnson really. Or Desai. Or Moore. Or Fangio. Siri fought to keep his passing game coordinator. Anybody loyal to him. It matters.

34 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Going off on a tangent.. why,? Why do you do it? 

You don't realize how difficult it is to have a conversation when you do this?

So your point is it was Pedey making coaching errors? Not a lesser team and the Alshon bobble interception in the clutch?

Fly Eagles Fly

37 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Lol... again... NOTHING OUTSIDE THE BOX... 

1. You disagree Doug worked with Reich

2. You disagree Siri worked with Steichen

3. You disagree both suffered without their original OCs

4. You disagree Doug was fired because of assistant coaching preference?

Lesser teams and lost OCs ok. Pedey still almost made the NFC Championship with a lesser team. Basically Pedey was the alpha with Reich a good OC. Steichen was the alpha in there relationship though. Seems like this matters in this discussion.

  Number four is tough. Because you aren’t going to like that I’m going to say Pedey was fired for wanting and earning more power and control. Rosie won’t give that away and needed to pump his chest about how he brought the city our only SB parade. But Rosie didn’t like the OC choice of Taylor was the main version of why Rosie was forced to fire him supposedly.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

I love it..." maybe you bring up some good points"   lol.     

You really don't realize how snobby that comes off? 

And that’s why I basically made this statement originally

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