3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Solid as a rock

Vermeil cried.... how do you look at him as a coach?

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You’d have to pay an editor a fortune for that gig 

You got it.. . Write a sports fiction book or movie...I absolutely think if you put time into it, you could write a good one.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

I'll throw another thing out there..

Doug...my favorite game day play caller for the Eagles...since Vermeil.

Year 1, disagreed with a bunch of game day management...game management stuff.  

Year 2, everything was on point...details stuff.  I absolutely believe he allowed Reich to have more control of the game plan etc,  and just then focused on calling plays that were given to him and managing the game.

He lost Reich,  either he had to do too much again or the other guys weren't good enough.

Similar to Siri....  Doug however wanted to keep his guys... and have the same process. Siri decided to get outside help because it didn't work.

I’m not going to ignore all your thoughts here. And maybe you bring up some good points. Should always be a collaboration. I mean you have run game coordinator and passing game coordinator with a QB Coach also. 
   But regardless Siri and Pedey both wanted similar things really. Siri was forced to go outside…even AR was forced to get rid of McDeromtt and so on. But a little nugget I noticed Siri say in one of his presses was about how important it was for him to keep a coach or two that were loyal to him. Remember the Passing Coordinator specifically. Not a whole bunch of guys living and dying over riding with Siri. 

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Doug had Reich....  Siri had Steichen 

Both had guys who didn't work...for whatever reason.   Doug wanted to keep those guys....Siri went looking for another Steichen.

I can see why one was fired and the other wasn't.   In fairness, I think Doug had a loyalty to those other guys... Johnson I don't believe ever was a Siri guy... he was a Hurts babysitter.

So easier decision to do the logical move of replacing the OC.

Both went into tapping younger inexperienced guys that needed time to Groh. Pedey chose Groh…then Taylor. Rosie chose Johnson and Moore. If you want me to refer to Rosie as the FO being all inclusive then assume that’s what it means. 

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Vermeil cried.... how do you look at him as a coach?

Right before the big game?

Just now, joemas6 said:

You got it.. . Write a sports fiction book or movie...I absolutely think if you put time into it, you could write a good one.

You put the basic sports elements... sensationalize some details etc...throw in some underdog stuff...intangibles, off the field drama... I think you would seriously  be excellent at it. 

Maybe get a little lucky with the red tape and the industry politics. 

But my former eye Dr. Was on channel 10 with Vai Sikahema after he wrote his sports fiction book.   I don't think he had any knowledge of the industry etc.

You could easily do it. 

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m not going to ignore all your thoughts here. And maybe you bring up some good points. Should always be a collaboration. I mean you have run game coordinator and passing game coordinator with a QB Coach also. 
   But regardless Siri and Pedey both wanted similar things really. Siri was forced to go outside…even AR was forced to get rid of McDeromtt and so on. But a little nugget I noticed Siri say in one of his presses was about how important it was for him to keep a coach or two that were loyal to him. Remember the Passing Coordinator specifically. Not a whole bunch of guys living and dying over riding with Siri. 

I love it..." maybe you bring up some good points"   lol.     

You really don't realize how snobby that comes off? 

Reich was setup perfect as an OC. Don’t think he should have been HC. Steichen I really think is a HC. Definitely can’t say it’s something I called or anything. He flew under the radar as our coordinator coming in because it was Siris O. Gannon was the highly touted coach. But came away now understanding the opposite to be true. Wish we would have kicked Gannon on out if he wanted to leave. But really wish we’d  have kept Steichen. 

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

I love it..." maybe you bring up some good points"   lol.     

You really don't realize how snobby that comes off? 

Sorry if it did. I was trying to give you props without getting too long winded adding in talking about the other parts.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Sorry if it did. I was trying to give you props without getting too long winded adding in talking about the other parts.

Basically not sure I fully agree with you…but you bring up food for thought. A well thought out and explained reasoning of your viewpoint.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Basically not sure I fully agree with you…but you bring up food for thought. A well thought out and explained reasoning of your viewpoint.

More how I meant it to come off

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Sorry if it did. I was trying to give you props without getting too long winded adding in talking about the other parts.

Couldn't say...." good points" ....had to throw in a maybe?

Lol

That's like..." maybe the Eagles defense wasn't good last year " maybe that's a good point...lol

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Basically not sure I fully agree with you…but you bring up food for thought. A well thought out and explained reasoning of your viewpoint.

Ok....here it is in bullet point.

1. Doug worked while Reich was here

2. Doug didn't work at the end after Reich left

....  similar .. Siri worked while Steichen was here.... didn't work without him

Whatever role you want to put...it was absolutely a collaboration of 2 guys ..then the OC left...both times..

We agree here.  A system where when both were here it worked...when one left it didn't?   

You disagree with that?

Then..

1.  Doug wanted to keep his guys THAT REPLACED REICH

2.  while Siri made the change 

Do you disagree with any of that?

These are facts.  Not worried about opinions or gut instincts or what you or I think the reasons for anything...  just simply the facts.

We can get into the opinions later...but you disagree with anything so far?

You don't think Doug ans Siri worked well with their original OCs... or that when both OCs left it went downhill?

Or that Doug was fired for another reason other than not wanting to change OCs?

 We can agree... I didn't like Doug getting fired.  

My reasoning...I felt he deserved to be proven wrong...meaning, he deserved a shot to go out like Chip... his way.

Let him pick his coaches and see what happens. Just like Chip was given the same rope... let Doug use the rope to swing over to the winning side or hang himself with it.  Then fire him with everyone on board...like with Chip

 

Except Doug just won you a SB..Chip's contributions were Stout and sports science ( not insignificant,  but Doug won with those while Chip didn't)

Doug absolutely deserved that shot ..IMO

But then 2 years later SB again. So maybe Lurie/ Howie know a little... who knows?   I gotta give them some credit.  Even though not a fan of their arrogance at times.  

21 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Ok....here it is in bullet point.

1. Doug worked while Reich was here

2. Doug didn't work at the end after Reich left

....  similar .. Siri worked while Steichen was here.... didn't work without him

Whatever role you want to put...it was absolutely a collaboration of 2 guys ..then the OC left...both times..

We agree here.  A system where when both were here it worked...when one left it didn't?   

You disagree with that?

You know you aren’t going to like my answer. I’m going to point at Rosie’s role like I did the whole time while things got to that point. Downhill circle created by the Rosie Magic Contracts you love. If you want to even begin to get into all of this instead of accepting my props and food for thought though I don’t completely agree with your assessment statement.

Fast forward to now.

1. Andy Reid turned me off to any " pressers"  so I don't watch much. I wanted to punch Andy in the face most of the time when he came off like an idiot..." gimeny crickets, we gotta do a better job there, times yours""  uhhhh...etc.

14 years of that from 26 to age 40 for me... that's enough listening to a coach say nothing. 

But back to now... I don't care who calls the plays.  I don't need the genius...I don't believe in the genius.  And that's not saying I don't think coaching matters...I just don't think any genius can do anything without the players. 

If we have similar results to 2 years ago with Siri as coach but someone else call plays... then I'm fine.

If it doesn't work....then he goes.  But let the coach go out doing it his way.  Just because I didn't agree with how they handled Doug, doesn't mean I want them to do the same with Siri... its the opposite.  

But easier for me because I don't get emotionally attached to a player or coach.  

24 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Ok....here it is in bullet point.

1. Doug worked while Reich was here

2. Doug didn't work at the end after Reich left

....  similar .. Siri worked while Steichen was here.... didn't work without him

Whatever role you want to put...it was absolutely a collaboration of 2 guys ..then the OC left...both times..

We agree here.  A system where when both were here it worked...when one left it didn't?   

You disagree with that?

We didn’t have a real high quality team after Reich left…but really coaching wise we could have made it to the NFC Championship game. Dang Alshon at the end. I believed we were going to pull that playoff game off.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

We didn’t have a real high quality team after Reich left…but really coaching wise we could have made it to the NFC Championship game. Dang Alshon at the end. I believed we were going to pull that playoff game off.

Or was a good team…but clearly a step down from the years previous  team.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You know you aren’t going to like my answer. I’m going to point at Rosie’s role like I did the whole time while things got to that point. Downhill circle created by the Rosie Magic Contracts you love. If you want to even begin to get into all of this instead of accepting my props and food for thought though I don’t completely agree with your assessment statement.

Lol... again... NOTHING OUTSIDE THE BOX... 

1. You disagree Doug worked with Reich

2. You disagree Siri worked with Steichen

3. You disagree both suffered without their original OCs

4. You disagree Doug was fired because of assistant coaching preference?

11 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Except Doug just won you a SB..Chip's contributions were Stout and sports science ( not insignificant,  but Doug won with those while Chip didn't)

Doug absolutely deserved that shot ..IMO

But then 2 years later SB again. So maybe Lurie/ Howie know a little... who knows?   I gotta give them some credit.  Even though not a fan of their arrogance at times.  

But you could look at as Pedey and Schwartz win that second SB…and for all the good things Rosie did his weakness couldn’t be overcome.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We didn’t have a real high quality team after Reich left…but really coaching wise we could have made it to the NFC Championship game. Dang Alshon at the end. I believed we were going to pull that playoff game off.

Going off on a tangent.. why,? Why do you do it? 

You don't realize how difficult it is to have a conversation when you do this?

Art of conversation...you listen 50 percent if not more... don't skip ahead in the conversation... you already know your thoughts on step 10... let's discuss step 1 - 9 first... then you might get an idea where other people are. 

You just assume everyone is going to disagree with you and can't stay within the conversation.   Why?

13 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Except Doug just won you a SB..Chip's contributions were Stout and sports science ( not insignificant,  but Doug won with those while Chip didn't)

Doug absolutely deserved that shot ..IMO

But then 2 years later SB again. So maybe Lurie/ Howie know a little... who knows?   I gotta give them some credit.  Even though not a fan of their arrogance at times.  

I don’t see how Pedey’s time here really correlated with his coaching performance. I directly was pointing out how the GM job personnel wise was going downhill pointing towards the predictable lesser and lesser outcomes. Now two years later after the SB….are we better or worse. I see lesser. Predictably…from what I see as the flaw in Rosie’s job performance. 2018 we still actually had a shot and made a run at least. 2023’s roster had very serious flaws. I couldn’t ever see that team really contending. Why I had complaints and wasn’t all rainbows and roses at 10-1. The main thing we had going for us this time past SB was the draft picks. Carter the highlight…that gave/gives optimism towards a quicker turn around cycle to overcome the cap management.