21 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

lol...it was vicious because he slapped with both hands at times....he would slap one hand over the helmet ear hole and then slap the other hand over the other ear hole and compress the skull...wow...what a crazy game it was back then

Indeed. Night Train Lane had two signature moves that triggered rule changes: the clothesline and the face mask. Once legal. Conrad Dobler developed the leg whip. Dick Butkus said, "When I played football. I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something.”

Not quite the same thing but a good story: Frank Gifford told of a time he was playing against the Packers and was tackled by Ray Nitschke and Dave Robinson (two HoF LBs), each of whom had a leg. Nitschke looked at Robinson and said, "Make a wish, baby.”

2 hours ago, Saltpeter said:

Looked up some early mock drafts and almost all of them have Jalen Milroe in the 1st rd, some in the top 10. Does the 2025 draft suck?

Top end talent in 2025 sucks, but the depth — especially at DL, RB and TE — is pretty good.

There’s also the issue of people greatly discounting the potential of Milroe and the premium that commands in the NFL.

People thought I was crazy this time 2 years ago when I said Richardson would be a top 5 pick but if he got anywhere near our second first rounder I’d take him in a heart beat. NFL teams will draft QBs in the first round based on potential rather than NFL ready skills. It is what it is.

Milroe is basically a more physically gifted version of Hurts. He is the same size, faster, more elusive, with a better arm, and almost as strong. He’s going to go in the first round, and he’ll likely end up being a pretty good starter in a few years. I wouldn’t mind taking him at the end of the first round, to be honest. He’d give the eagles a like for like replacement for Hurts and might eventually beat him out for the starting job.

17 minutes ago, TEW said:

Top end talent in 2025 sucks, but the depth — especially at DL, RB and TE — is pretty good.

There’s also the issue of people greatly discounting the potential of Milroe and the premium that commands in the NFL.

People thought I was crazy this time 2 years ago when I said Richardson would be a top 5 pick but if he got anywhere near our second first rounder I’d take him in a heart beat. NFL teams will draft QBs in the first round based on potential rather than NFL ready skills. It is what it is.

Milroe is basically a more physically gifted version of Hurts. He is the same size, faster, more elusive, with a better arm, and almost as strong. He’s going to go in the first round, and he’ll likely end up being a pretty good starter in a few years. I wouldn’t mind taking him at the end of the first round, to be honest. He’d give the eagles a like for like replacement for Hurts and might eventually beat him out for the starting job.

Richardson stinks as a QB as does Milroe. Milroe was already benched once and if he was coming out why would he play in the meaningless bowl game. 

18 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

 

Good news for strength of schedule showdown.

 

 

 

@ToastJenkins It's been a few weeks since my last **** talking post.  Wagmi was .000025 last we spoke.  It is down to .00001455.  It is only fair to show the good with the bad.  Be back in 3-4 weeks for an update.

Spicy.

 

3 hours ago, rrfierce said:

I actually think gainwell was equally as important for us against the steelers. those 2 3rd down plays were crucial

Oh he was really good for sure! And he made some huge plays at crucial times.

1 hour ago, just relax said:

Indeed. Night Train Lane had two signature moves that triggered rule changes: the clothesline and the face mask. Once legal. Conrad Dobler developed the leg whip. Dick Butkus said, "When I played football. I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something.”

Not quite the same thing but a good story: Frank Gifford told of a time he was playing against the Packers and was tackled by Ray Nitschke and Dave Robinson (two HoF LBs), each of whom had a leg. Nitschke looked at Robinson and said, "Make a wish, baby.”

Who was the old school CB (I think) that had that shoulder "jab" to put some extra mustard on his tackles?  Damn near knocked ball carriers the f out.

16 hours ago, Iggles25 said:

Jay Glazer:

 

 

1 hour ago, just relax said:

Indeed. Night Train Lane had two signature moves that triggered rule changes: the clothesline and the face mask. Once legal. Conrad Dobler developed the leg whip. Dick Butkus said, "When I played football. I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately - unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something.”

Not quite the same thing but a good story: Frank Gifford told of a time he was playing against the Packers and was tackled by Ray Nitschke and Dave Robinson (two HoF LBs), each of whom had a leg. Nitschke looked at Robinson and said, "Make a wish, baby.”

Yup...there was a great old VHS called Crunch Course. I believe I got it from a subscription to Sports Illustrated. It showed footage and documentation of the violence of the sport...great quotes from Butkus

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

If I was an NFL DC, I'd force them to throw.  Best case scenario, you can get sacks, fumbles, or INTS.   Worst case scenario, you at least don't have the team playing keep away and you get the ball with opportunities to score yourself.

I don't think you can force the team to throw.  

 

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

I only rank head coaches I was alive to see.  My list:

 

1.  Joe Gibbs.  Three Super Bowls with 3 different QBs.  

2.  Chuck Noll.  4 Super Bowls with Terry Bradshaw, who I think everyone can see is as dumb as a box of rocks

3.  Don Shula.  Winningest head coach in history and the Dolphins have never been any good with any other head coach before or since

4.  Bill Belichick.  Most Super Bowl wins, but cheating knocks a person down a few pegs.

5.  Andy Reid.  3 Super Bowls (and counting?).  Yes, he's got Mahomes -- but he made Mahomes.

6.  Bill Walsh.  3 Super Bowls in SF, but George Seifert took over and also won 2 of his own.  Also, Carmen Policy and DeBartolo cheated much like Kraft/Belichick did.

7.   Tom Landry.  2 Super Bowls, an offensive and defensive architect, and a nice hat

 

Once you get past that point, 8-12 are up for debate.  Some really good ones still building a resume (McVay), some who quit very early (Madden), some very overrated (Parcells).

I never thought of Gibbs as a top coach.  In part, those teams he had in the 80's and early 90's had a lot of talent especially on the o-line.  He has to share some of his success with Beathard who was the GM for them during that time.  

I think Reid would have been much more successful if the Eagles had addressed WR earlier in McNabb's tenure.  I think number 5 is about right for him.  

5 minutes ago, jamiller said:

Who was the old school CB (I think) that had that shoulder "jab" to put some extra mustard on his tackles?  Damn near knocked ball carriers the f out.

Lester Hayes? 

46 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

@ToastJenkins It's been a few weeks since my last **** talking post.  Wagmi was .000025 last we spoke.  It is down to .00001455.  It is only fair to show the good with the bad.  Be back in 3-4 weeks for an update.

Quantum computing has killed crypto!

1 hour ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Richardson stinks as a QB as does Milroe. Milroe was already benched once and if he was coming out why would he play in the meaningless bowl game. 

Richardson’s career has been grossly mishandled by the Colts. That’s not on him in my view. In any case, he has only played 14 games. He's still only 22 years old. Everyone knew he was a project. There’s plenty of time left for him to develop.

Hurts was benched in college too.

You’re severely underestimating the value of physically gifted QBs and the willingness of teams to try to develop them.

2 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

There's no way that's true

He is heavily influenced by his kids. One of his kids is named Brick.  I definitely think it is exactly what happened.  

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Quantum computing has killed crypto!

Hahaha, the dumb get dumber.  Nice!

12 minutes ago, TEW said:

Richardson’s career has been grossly mishandled by the Colts. That’s not on him in my view. In any case, he has only played 14 games. He's still only 22 years old. Everyone knew he was a project. There’s plenty of time left for him to develop.

Hurts was benched in college too.

You’re severely underestimating the value of physically gifted QBs and the willingness of teams to try to develop them.

Richardson should have sat for a year, minimum. The rush to play QBs that aren't ready is bananas. He may still have been a bust, but letting him sit and learn behind a vet was the right move. 

Personally, I wasn't a fan of his because of the intangibles and mental make-up. It's the same reason I've never been high on Caleb -- I don't think he'll put in the hard work to transition his game to the NFL. These guys can't just get back with physical dominance like they could in college. 

But if you're going to take someone like Richardson, you sign a great vet to mentor him. 

18 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don't think you can force the team to throw.  

 

I never thought of Gibbs as a top coach.  In part, those teams he had in the 80's and early 90's had a lot of talent especially on the o-line.  He has to share some of his success with Beathard who was the GM for them during that time.  

I think Reid would have been much more successful if the Eagles had addressed WR earlier in McNabb's tenure.  I think number 5 is about right for him.  

True enough, but when I say "three different QBs", two of them were Mark Rypien and Doug Williams.  Even Theismann wasn't really considered an elite QB other than a couple of seasons.  No one else has ever had that level of success without a long term franchise QB.

He was also the architect of the "Air Coryell" offensive scheme.

5 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Richardson should have sat for a year, minimum. The rush to play QBs that aren't ready is bananas. He may still have been a bust, but letting him sit and learn behind a vet was the right move. 

Personally, I wasn't a fan of his because of the intangibles and mental make-up. It's the same reason I've never been high on Caleb -- I don't think he'll put in the hard work to transition his game to the NFL. These guys can't just get back with physical dominance like they could in college. 

But if you're going to take someone like Richardson, you sign a great vet to mentor him. 

How many teams still do that approach? I can only think of Packers

27 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

Yup...there was a great old VHS called Crunch Course. I believe I got it from a subscription to Sports Illustrated. It showed footage and documentation of the violence of the sport...great quotes from Butkus

Correct.  It was a great video.

27 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don't think you can force the team to throw.  

Put 12 in the box.   

29 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

Yup...there was a great old VHS called Crunch Course. I believe I got it from a subscription to Sports Illustrated. It showed footage and documentation of the violence of the sport...great quotes from Butkus

There used to be so many great VHS tapes put out by NFL Films and some of the SI ones like you mentioned. The Follies, Greatest Hits in NFL History, NFL Rocks (a favorite of mine) etc. 

12 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Richardson should have sat for a year, minimum. The rush to play QBs that aren't ready is bananas. He may still have been a bust, but letting him sit and learn behind a vet was the right move. 

Personally, I wasn't a fan of his because of the intangibles and mental make-up. It's the same reason I've never been high on Caleb -- I don't think he'll put in the hard work to transition his game to the NFL. These guys can't just get back with physical dominance like they could in college. 

But if you're going to take someone like Richardson, you sign a great vet to mentor him. 

Exactly.

I see the same situation with Milroe — put him behind a veteran with some locker room gravitas for a year or two and there’s a good chance you come out the other side with a good starter.

I like the risk/reward with this kind of move a heck of a lot more in the late first round than the top 10 though.

12 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

How many teams still do that approach? I can only think of Packers

Patriots at least sat Maye for half the season. Andy sat Donovan and Mahomes for a full year, guessing he would do it again. 

7 minutes ago, TEW said:

Exactly.

I see the same situation with Milroe — put him behind a veteran with some locker room gravitas for a year or two and there’s a good chance you come out the other side with a good starter.

I like the risk/reward with this kind of move a heck of a lot more in the late first round than the top 10 though.

Picking Richardson 4th overall was insane. Late first, so you get the 5th year option, makes the most sense. Hell, Jalen was a guy that you could have argued we should have taken in the late first over Reagor (I mean, we should have drafted YOU instead of Reagor, but I digress). The Ravens got it 100% right with Lamar -- traded up with us to 32, took him, let him sit behind Flacco.