So, I'm going to reply to this in parts because it's easier since I need to go soon.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The proof is Doug went to Jacksonville and couldn’t replicate what he did in 2017. what more proof do you need? With Frank Reich he did his best coaching job. After Reich left, he consistently got worse each year. And then he went to another job in Jacksonville and the same thing happened. He got worse every year. At some point in tim yeah either just don’t wanna believe it or you just wanna make excuses for people you like.

First of all on this, I'm not really even a Doug fan, his Press Taylor stuff really got on my nerves.

Second of all, this logic is actually abysmal. Neither of them replicated anything close to 2017, and both of them clearly struggled. Then Reich went somewhere else (which was on the same level as Jacksonville as an organization) and struggled more. How does both of them getting significantly worse prove one was carried by the other?

I like Frank MORE, I just think that logic makes no sense.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Furthermore, I’ve said in the past that there is a strained relationship between Jalen hurts and Nick. Frankly, I don’t think Jalen hurts really likes Nick Sirianni. I said that in 2023 and last year even when things were going well. They made this whole BS story up about the off-season they were hanging out and they became friends. I still think there is a bad mix between the two.

I don't think he likes him all that much either, but frankly they don't get along schematically either. Nick's from the school of drop back passers. Jalen's from the school of please god don't do that. Problems both in relationship and schematic fit.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I didn’t say he didn’t do anything. I think you’re avoiding the elephant in the room that Shane Steichen had a bigger role than you want to admit in the offense looking that way. Let me just point this out Jalen hurts has his flaws. He is a flawed quarterback. However when Shane was here, they magically maximize Jalen hurts and the passing game in 2022. Since he left Nick Sirianni, who is the grand architect of 2021 and 2022 based off what you’re telling me has not been able to do that. So it leaves more to the theory that Shane Steichen was more important than what you’re willing to give him for the success they had in the passing game. but now since he left, it’s not the true Nick Sirianni‘s passing game concepts.

I didn't even make a statement about 2022 at all. I specifically was talking about the period of 2021 from before Sirianni gave up play-calling because it's the most reliable indicator of what they wanted to do before anyone else had any clear power, or influence, or there was any demand to tailor to the QB (as him being the guy wasn't even a sure thing yet).

I don't recall saying Steichen was unimportant during late 2021, and 2022, can you point out to me where exactly I said that? I'm pretty sure what I said was that the playbook still exists, and knowledge of basic concepts won't suddenly just disappear into thin air.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Nick needed Steichen just like Steichen needed Nick to maximize their abilities. Some people work great together and can do amazing things and brings out the best in each other. Unfortunately since he left the pass offense hasn’t. Which is why I just told you Shane ate i hen was a bigger cog in the system with nick then you’re willing to admit. That’s not saying it was only Shane. It’s telling you he was a bigger fundamental piece that you’re unwilling to admit.

First, the bolded is literally how I feel about Doug and Frank. Secondly, while I acknowledge the rest, since you got the time period I was talking about wrong, which I address in my reply to the last quote, this is kinda null and void. I wasn't even dissing Steichen, I think the concepts got better in 2022 actually, or at least how they were set up for Jalen. All I was saying is that even in early 2021 before he started becoming more CEO style, and when he was calling plays and all that, even when he called way too many pass plays, the Eagles were at the very least, sufficiently using concepts.

1 minute ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

If someone is looking for an offensive version of Fangio, as in someone who most likely won’t be looking for a HC job and would bring some stability to the position, then Monken is probably the best bet. He might not be the best out there, but if you bring in McDaniel, Daboll, Stefanski (who is probably going to get another HC job this cycle so probably not a realistic option), then we’re dealing with the same problem next year if the offense improves.

Hire a worse guy so they don’t leave? I dunno about that strategy. I’d rather just have an NFL offense and see what happens.

We have talked about the same list of OC names that have been fired in the NFL for a few days now.

I havent seen anyone bring any intriguing college names. Anyone out there?

2 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Stop worrying that a great OC would leave and worry more about getting a great OC and give him the authority to hire great people so that you have an OC in waiting if all goes well. Quite frankly I'm fine with going to the SB every other year and losing OCs. That's better than every other team is doing right now

Yea. Going for a guy just for the stability is tying a hand behind your back, Get whoever is best for the job, period. If we lose that guy to a HC, do it again. Someone that has a great offensive mind with no desire to become HC and move up the ranks is a unicorn that probably doesn't exist.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Part of me is kind of wondering if it would be nice to just cut bait on ALL of the bloated contracts on offense and start anew. That includes AJ Brown, but Id start with Hurts as well, and possibly even Barkley.

Take the bullet on the dead cap and just move on as soon as that clears up a bit.

As of now, maybe you trade AJ, maybe you dont. But you get a new OC and youre still stuck with Hurts tanking his ideas on offense.

Maybe if you load up on draft picks for those guys and consider next year a wash.

But then part of me realizes the offense doesnt need to go from 19PPG to 30PPG. We can go to like 26ppg and probably go damn near undefeated with our defense.

But man... its kinda tempting to just cut all the fat at once, take those lumps, and reload without the constant bickering about Hurts, and is he or his OC more to blame? Or Siri...

@vikas83 Trade Barkley, AJ, and Hurts using pre/post June 1st however it is the most cost effective.

How many of our defenders do we miss out on re-signing? Who else do we stand to lose on offense?

Im sure we will have to part with some talent. But Im already happy to not re-sign Nolan Smith, and I wont mind if they Davis walk either. Im fine letting Goedert go this offseason.

Can we at least keep Mitchell and DeJean? Would money be clearing in time to keep Campbell and Hunt?

I mean, you want to trade Barkley, Hurts and AJ? They'd all have to be post June 1, so you'd be tanking the 2026 and 2027 seasons.

• Trading Hurts post June 1 adds ~$11mm in 2026 cap space, but then you have a $45mm hit in 2027

• Trading AJ after June 1 adds $7mm this year, puts $27mm on 2027

• Trading Barkley post June 1 adds $1.4mm this year, $26.4mm on 2027

So collectively, you save $19mm in 2026 but hit 2027 for just under $100mm. You're basically tanking 2026 and 2027, and your ability to resign guys like Reed, JP and JD is stretched,

3 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

If someone is looking for an offensive version of Fangio, as in someone who most likely won’t be looking for a HC job and would bring some stability to the position, then Monken is probably the best bet. He might not be the best out there, but if you bring in McDaniel, Daboll, Stefanski (who is probably going to get another HC job this cycle so probably not a realistic option), then we’re dealing with the same problem next year if the offense improves.

No one will ever hire Daboll again as head coach. The dude was screaming at his coaches and was a disaster in NY. Teams would interview Bill Cosby before they interviewed Daboll. I think Monken would have a better chance of being a HC than Daboll.

5 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Right and Doug called plays and it still fell apart. It's hard to get everything right and keep it right. McVay is really smart and has had a lot of talent and he's won once. Shanahan has never won. That's not an excuse. The Eagles need a new OC and a new system but there's no formula that has proven to work other than having the best QB in the league tends to be the top criteria most of the time

Reich and Doug called plays separated and it fell apart. It was always destined to eventually. Just happened sooner than we liked. We only saw them do it together for 2016 and 2017. They won a SB cause they were able to adjust and make it work after wentz went down and maximize foles to the best of his ability. Imo still one of the best coaching jobs I’ve seen considering the time of year wentz got hurt and getting it turned up in the playoffs to another level like prior to wentz injury.

I don’t disagree with you having the best quarterbacks gives you a big upper hand in the NFL. There is no formula. Because you can say I wanna hire this guy who I believe is gonna stay here for a while and that way we have continuity. But then again that guy might get head coaching interviews, and you didn’t think he was going to. We didn’t believe when we hired Frank Reich at 55 that he was going to go and get head coaching interviews. Most people after he left the chargers were out on him.

24 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I don't think you can blame Hurts for yesterday, but you can't give him a free pass either. I don't know why he didn't run more yesterday, and when he did, why he didn't commit. When he ran, it felt more like we could see him thinking about it, hesitating, then starting to run when it was too late. A good example was on the 2nd down of the last drive. He had a lane, he took a step, paused, then tried to run and got tackled. If he had just said "bleep it" and run without processing it, he would probably have picked up the first. We kept hearing that playoff Hurts would come through, and he had chances like that play and didn't deliver. It's like Spaceballs stop preparing/being cerebral and just go. Passing I thought he was fine. Few bad throws but in the wind that happens. I could have done without him rolling out of a clean pocket, though, and it was obviously driving Brady nuts as well.

Some of his reads weren't good and he threw short of the sticks as well. Not awful but he has to make a few plays for us to win and it didn't happen.

All I need to see today is the Emmanuel Acho video for what to do and what not to do against a zone defense. The absolute stupidity of that idiot OC versus the Shanahan play call late in the game. The concepts for beating a zone is simple...either hit the gaps or overload the zone....the OC did neither on the most important play call of the entire season. Shanahan, on the other hand, lines up and send 3 receivers to one side of the field in a short space. Ordinarily, such a decision would be laughed at because of the lack of spacing, but it created the desired effect. The three receivers brought 5 or 6 defenders to occupy them leaving their best receiver, CMC, in a 1-1 man-man matchup on the backside against a LB. Simple scheme to create a man-man matchup against a zone...brilliant...just brilliant.

Just now, vikas83 said:

I mean, you want to trade Barkley, Hurts and AJ? They'd all have to be post June 1, so you'd be tanking the 2026 and 2027 seasons.

• Trading Hurts post June 1 adds ~$11mm in 2026 cap space, but then you have a $45mm hit in 2027

• Trading AJ after June 1 adds $7mm this year, puts $27mm on 2027

• Trading Barkley post June 1 adds $1.4mm this year, $26.4mm on 2027

So collectively, you save $19mm in 2026 but hit 2027 for just under $100mm. You're basically tanking 2026 and 2027, and your ability to resign guys like Reed, JP and JD is stretched,

Barkley maybe maybe not. But yes I am interested in considering what a full hard reset would look like. In order to not saddle a new OC with this QB and a diva WR who may be in decline. I get that there is tons of dead cap that will limit cap space.

Im can live with letting Davis walk. Our interior rush was not effective enough for most of the season. Or, if there is long term concern over Carter' shoulders keep davis and let Carter walk. I could live with either scenario. They werent good enough and one may have long term health concerns.

Im definitely OK with no re-signing Nolan Smith. In fact, thats preferred.

Id want to still be able to sign DeJean and Mitchell, and hope that money begins to clear up in time to sign Hunt and Campbell. And probably another contract for DeVante Smith.

When the axe will drop? Today?

13 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I really want an OC who will look for more of a pure receiving TE. And while Goedert may still be an excellent WR and we just wouldnt know it with Hurts Im fine moving on at his age, and propensity for missing weeks of the season.

Who was it, Eli Stowers that was getting the Orunde Gadsen comparisons...

2 minutes ago, Penn7980 said:

When the axe will drop? Today?

I think Wednesday or Thursday maybe even Friday. It'll take a few days but I'm sure Howie is already working on it. We're not losing out anyone because of it. Agents who want their guys to be considered for Eagles OC are surely already reaching out

Just now, Waiting4Someday said:

Who was it, Eli Stowers that was getting the Orunde Gadsen comparisons...

not sure havent heard.

Seems like Trigg might be another decent option as well.

5 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

All I need to see today is the Emmanuel Acho video for what to do and what not to do against a zone defense. The absolute stupidity of that idiot OC versus the Shanahan play call late in the game. The concepts for beating a zone is simple...either hit the gaps or overload the zone....the OC did neither on the most important play call of the entire season. Shanahan, on the other hand, lines up and send 3 receivers to one side of the field in a short space. Ordinarily, such a decision would be laughed at because of the lack of spacing, but it created the desired effect. The three receivers brought 5 or 6 defenders to occupy them leaving their best receiver, CMC, in a 1-1 man-man matchup on the backside against a LB. Simple scheme to create a man-man matchup against a zone...brilliant...just brilliant.

Yeah. I’m wasn’t kidding when I said coaches should be forced to play Madden for training. Both for time management and concepts.

6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

No one will ever hire Daboll again as head coach. The dude was screaming at his coaches and was a disaster in NY. Teams would interview Bill Cosby before they interviewed Daboll. I think Monken would have a better chance of being a HC than Daboll.

I want to remind you that the Jets, Panthers, Jaguars, Browns, and Cardinals, are teams in this league. And while they likely won't do it this cycle, they might get desperate at some point.

That said, you don't need him not to get hired forever, if you get 3 years out of him, you've already won.

I remember seeing a report that some team wanted to interview the rams pass game coordinator. Whats the deal with that guy? Not going to be a proven "established offensive mind" for us?

Would seem to be a good place to look though. Id try to trade for Wheatley and use him exactly how they use Puka.

12 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup 4 verts against cover 4 is a failure before the snap and its not like the niners D was disguising what they were doing.

Im not sure what a good call on 4th n 11 is against cover 4, my initial thought would be dont get in 4th and 11 make the down more manageable, my second thought is I dont get paid to call that play but the Dudes that do failed miserably.

I think the best option on the play was smitty but it was a real tight window on a windy day that required perfect timing and anticipation all things Hurts struggles with but I would have taken my chances there rather than throwing it to goedert in quadruple coverage...

The sequence was a failure in my mind when the Eagles did not take a timeout before the third down play. I felt that lack of decision for a timeout meant a rushed pass. Hurts threw it a half second earlier than he should have and just missed Smith a little too high. With that timeout though, the "brain trust" could have approached 3rd and 11 with 2 plays in mind. They still had some options available. They could have looked at a 6-8 yard play followed by another red zone play...

How much would your balls feel kicked if we get news soon that Fangio and/or Stoutland are retiring?

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

They might be in the David Bailey range. He’s kind of in the mold of Nolan Smith but a few more pounds. Relentless motor. Would be huge for the DL.

I would love that, but I think once the combine and all that wrap up he will be pushing to be picked top 10 or just outside.

12 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I mean, you want to trade Barkley, Hurts and AJ? They'd all have to be post June 1, so you'd be tanking the 2026 and 2027 seasons.

• Trading Hurts post June 1 adds ~$11mm in 2026 cap space, but then you have a $45mm hit in 2027

• Trading AJ after June 1 adds $7mm this year, puts $27mm on 2027

• Trading Barkley post June 1 adds $1.4mm this year, $26.4mm on 2027

So collectively, you save $19mm in 2026 but hit 2027 for just under $100mm. You're basically tanking 2026 and 2027, and your ability to resign guys like Reed, JP and JD is stretched,

lol...why do you even bother responding

Maybe I'll throw my hat in the ring... I think I already have 10,000hrs of techmo experience.

Just now, aptosbird said:

lol...why do you even bother responding

he recognizes my brilliance.