2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

I don’t think the Phillies are off to a slow start; I think they might finish the season below .500

J.O. material with this one

If you dont want to watch 6 hours and 40 minutes here are our picks.

WR-Lemon

G-Rutledge

TE-Roush

WR-Fields

DT-Halton

S-Jakobe Thomas

CB- Domani Jackson

RB/WR- Heidenreich

17 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

If you dont want to watch 6 hours and 40 minutes here are our picks.

WR-Lemon

G-Rutledge

TE-Roush

WR-Fields

DT-Halton

S-Jakobe Thomas

CB- Domani Jackson

RB/WR- Heidenreich

2.5 WRs, might be a little overkill.

6 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

2.5 WRs, might be a little overkill.

They took roush with the early 3rd rounder. And that's all they did at TE. I'll puke.

They discussed Stowers in the 2nd bit went with Rutledge

We get TO but no AJ. AJ refusing to play in a charity game that his apparent good friend is putting together.

11 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

We get TO but no AJ. AJ refusing to play in a charity game that his apparent good friend is putting together.

Owens and Hugh Douglas will be worth the price of admission.

10 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

They took roush with the early 3rd rounder. And that's all they did at TE. I'll puke.

They discussed Stowers in the 2nd bit went with Rutledge

You don’t see Lemon to us often, but if they felt we still needed a big bodied WR - Stowers would have made sense. He’s more athletic than Fields and on a complete different level as a TE threat than Roush. Kind of a two birds one stone compromise. Rutledge is a good pick, the plan just gets a little muddled imo.

Worst 1st round picks of the Howie era:

4. Reagor - People overreact to this one because Jefferson popped right away. Reagor was considered a late 1st/early 2nd prospect, so it’s not like we made some monumental reach to take him. He was a pick who busted, plain and simple. Had he been a decent WR and Jefferson still Jefferson, it wouldn’t be a big deal. The Broncos took Jeudy instead of Jefferson too. How often do you hear about the Panthers taking Horn over Surtain, or the Chiefs taking Clyde Edwards Elaine over Jonathan Taylor? The fact that Reagor busted so badly is why the magnifying glass is on him, which has nothing to do with JJ. At the time of the draft why we took him was fine, he just didn’t work out; it happens.

3. Dillard - The most sensible pick on this list, but I believe he has David Carr syndrome: his situation was worst case scenario for development. Had we not kept Peters or drafted Mailata and Dillard was pushed to start early, I think he would have developed/matured better and turned into a decent pick. Maybe not some super star, but not the complete blob of sadness he became. That one was our own fault; if you value a player as an asset that high, you have to give him more than we did.

2. Marcus Smith - He was too raw. When drafting players, there is an innate probability of them working out; it is a gamble. Maybe itll be an arrest or a weird injury or a drug addiction, but there are many factors outside of ability and love of the game that can bust a pick. Henry Ruggs, Tim Couch, James Pearce, Khyree Jackson. And then maybe sometimes a player just isn’t as good as you thought, or maybe he wanted to get paid more than play football. There’s already a tremendous amount of risk when spending this kind of capital on 1 guy, why elevate that risk factor by taking a project player in the first round? Go through the history of raw/work in progress/inexperienced players who teams took due to physical traits or misleading college production and it is really really poor. For every Josh Allen there’s a Marcus Smith and a Tyree Wilson and a Trey Lance and a Noah Igbinoghene and a Robert Nkemdiche. Take the polished guys in the first round and gamble on day 3. This was an obvious one that had little chance of working out.

1. ⁠Danny Watkins - Forget the fire fighter stuff for a moment. There comes a point when a player is no longer moldable; what he is is what he is. Maybe that comes at 23 or 24 or 25, but to take a guy at 26 and expect to be able to shape him into a more evolved version of himself like you regularly do with young kids who come out is wishful thinking. Has a player that old ever developed correctly out of college in the realignment era? Genuine question. Nevermind the fact that the dude would already be in his 30’s before his rookie deal was over, so you’re really only drafting a guy who has a career ceiling of 6-7 years even if he’s actually a big hit. Maybe Reagor eventually plays okay and we have a solid receiver for a few years. Maybe Dillard gets a different opportunity, plays earlier and is pretty good. Maybe Marcus beats the odds and has a nice career as a pass rush specialist. But Danny was dead on arrival, there’s no reasonable scenario where we look back and say if we could do it again we still take the old man.

Any word on the Jordyn Tyson workout from yesterday, or is it today?

8 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Any word on the Jordyn Tyson workout from yesterday, or is it today?

He ran 20-25 routes and dropped one pass. He didn’t do any testing.

Speaking of Tyson I love the "If he nails these workouts he's going high!" propaganda.

As if teams thought the guy was going to look like Joel Embiid hopping around on one leg or something. His concern has always been that he's injury prone and that's why he may fall, nothing he did yesterday has anything to do what that fact whatsoever.

The draft process can be so insufferable. Every time a prospect smiles the right way it's "HE'S GOING 30 SPOTS HIGHER NOW! OMG!"

Any time a prospect is spot with the wrong shoe lace color on it's "crap! HE MIGHT FALL TO THE 5TH ROUND NOW!"

It's all so stupid.

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

He ran 20-25 routes and dropped one pass. He didn’t do any testing.

Thanks. Considering he didn't run I'm not sure that is going to effect his draft stock one way or the other all that much. I still think in trying to project potential fallers for the Eagles he is one of them.

22 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Speaking of Tyson I love the "If he nails these workouts he's going high!" propaganda.

As if teams thought the guy was going to look like Joel Embiid hopping around on one leg or something. His concern has always been that he's injury prone and that's why he may fall, nothing he did yesterday has anything to do what that fact whatsoever.

The draft process can be so insufferable. Every time a prospect smiles the right way it's "HE'S GOING 30 SPOTS HIGHER NOW! OMG!"

Any time a prospect is spot with the wrong shoe lace color on it's "crap! HE MIGHT FALL TO THE 5TH ROUND NOW!"

It's all so stupid.

Truly teams just wanted to see him run. A lot of people didn't understand why a hamstring injury kept him out so long.

Apparently he tore it in a game and continued playing that game and had a big game. So there is toughness. But the durability lacks. And teams wanted to be sure he was recovering and nothing crazy was going on.

20 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Thanks. Considering he didn't run I'm not sure that is going to effect his draft stock one way or the other all that much. I still think in trying to project potential fallers for the Eagles he is one of them.

I think it does help him. It took a lot of mystery about his injury away. Teams can now be reassured that he can still move. There was mystery surrounding his injury and recovery timeline. That's gone now.

1 hour ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Worst 1st round picks of the Howie era:

4. Reagor - People overreact to this one because Jefferson popped right away. Reagor was considered a late 1st/early 2nd prospect, so it’s not like we made some monumental reach to take him. He was a pick who busted, plain and simple. Had he been a decent WR and Jefferson still Jefferson, it wouldn’t be a big deal. The Broncos took Jeudy instead of Jefferson too. How often do you hear about the Panthers taking Horn over Surtain, or the Chiefs taking Clyde Edwards Elaine over Jonathan Taylor? The fact that Reagor busted so badly is why the magnifying glass is on him, which has nothing to do with JJ. At the time of the draft why we took him was fine, he just didn’t work out; it happens.

3. Dillard - The most sensible pick on this list, but I believe he has David Carr syndrome: his situation was worst case scenario for development. Had we not kept Peters or drafted Mailata and Dillard was pushed to start early, I think he would have developed/matured better and turned into a decent pick. Maybe not some super star, but not the complete blob of sadness he became. That one was our own fault; if you value a player as an asset that high, you have to give him more than we did.

2. Marcus Smith - He was too raw. When drafting players, there is an innate probability of them working out; it is a gamble. Maybe itll be an arrest or a weird injury or a drug addiction, but there are many factors outside of ability and love of the game that can bust a pick. Henry Ruggs, Tim Couch, James Pearce, Khyree Jackson. And then maybe sometimes a player just isn’t as good as you thought, or maybe he wanted to get paid more than play football. There’s already a tremendous amount of risk when spending this kind of capital on 1 guy, why elevate that risk factor by taking a project player in the first round? Go through the history of raw/work in progress/inexperienced players who teams took due to physical traits or misleading college production and it is really really poor. For every Josh Allen there’s a Marcus Smith and a Tyree Wilson and a Trey Lance and a Noah Igbinoghene and a Robert Nkemdiche. Take the polished guys in the first round and gamble on day 3. This was an obvious one that had little chance of working out.

1. ⁠Danny Watkins - Forget the fire fighter stuff for a moment. There comes a point when a player is no longer moldable; what he is is what he is. Maybe that comes at 23 or 24 or 25, but to take a guy at 26 and expect to be able to shape him into a more evolved version of himself like you regularly do with young kids who come out is wishful thinking. Has a player that old ever developed correctly out of college in the realignment era? Genuine question. Nevermind the fact that the dude would already be in his 30’s before his rookie deal was over, so you’re really only drafting a guy who has a career ceiling of 6-7 years even if he’s actually a big hit. Maybe Reagor eventually plays okay and we have a solid receiver for a few years. Maybe Dillard gets a different opportunity, plays earlier and is pretty good. Maybe Marcus beats the odds and has a nice career as a pass rush specialist. But Danny was dead on arrival, there’s no reasonable scenario where we look back and say if we could do it again we still take the old man.

If just ranking the 4 worst then I would bump Dillard and add on JJAW. Unless you are just looking at 1st round picks. But JJAW over Metcalf was awful at the time and awful in hindsight. I will never forget Wentz hitting JJAW with a perfect pass that would have won the game against the Lions in 2019 that bounced right off of JJAW's face.

My preference as of now is to trade down based on who is expected to be available. Of course, everyone else has the same idea, and it will depend on who is available.

I line Max Iheanachor as a consultation prize at 23. Won’t help year 1, but at least has the talent to solve the RT position long term and be a plus level starter.

I’m not really into any of the first round WRs. I’d much rather go after some of the guys who should be available in the second or third round.

I wouldn’t mind a small trade up for Theineman either. He seems like a complete prospect who can start day one and be a long term rock at the back of our secondary.

Faulk or Young at EDGE wouldn’t upset me either. Both are big and athletic and can give us great run defense with double digit sack potential.

Peter Woods would be interesting if he falls into our range. That would give us one heck of a interior defensive rotation and would be an immediate replacement for Ojomo next season.

Hood at CB could be a long term fix at corner. I wouldn’t hate it.

But overall, my preference is a trade down, preferably to add high 2027 picks. Could some team give us a Falcons offer for a low second and 2027 first? That would be ideal.

1 hour ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Worst 1st round picks of the Howie era:

4. Reagor - People overreact to this one because Jefferson popped right away. Reagor was considered a late 1st/early 2nd prospect, so it’s not like we made some monumental reach to take him. He was a pick who busted, plain and simple. Had he been a decent WR and Jefferson still Jefferson, it wouldn’t be a big deal. The Broncos took Jeudy instead of Jefferson too. How often do you hear about the Panthers taking Horn over Surtain, or the Chiefs taking Clyde Edwards Elaine over Jonathan Taylor? The fact that Reagor busted so badly is why the magnifying glass is on him, which has nothing to do with JJ. At the time of the draft why we took him was fine, he just didn’t work out; it happens.

3. Dillard - The most sensible pick on this list, but I believe he has David Carr syndrome: his situation was worst case scenario for development. Had we not kept Peters or drafted Mailata and Dillard was pushed to start early, I think he would have developed/matured better and turned into a decent pick. Maybe not some super star, but not the complete blob of sadness he became. That one was our own fault; if you value a player as an asset that high, you have to give him more than we did.

2. Marcus Smith - He was too raw. When drafting players, there is an innate probability of them working out; it is a gamble. Maybe itll be an arrest or a weird injury or a drug addiction, but there are many factors outside of ability and love of the game that can bust a pick. Henry Ruggs, Tim Couch, James Pearce, Khyree Jackson. And then maybe sometimes a player just isn’t as good as you thought, or maybe he wanted to get paid more than play football. There’s already a tremendous amount of risk when spending this kind of capital on 1 guy, why elevate that risk factor by taking a project player in the first round? Go through the history of raw/work in progress/inexperienced players who teams took due to physical traits or misleading college production and it is really really poor. For every Josh Allen there’s a Marcus Smith and a Tyree Wilson and a Trey Lance and a Noah Igbinoghene and a Robert Nkemdiche. Take the polished guys in the first round and gamble on day 3. This was an obvious one that had little chance of working out.

1. ⁠Danny Watkins - Forget the fire fighter stuff for a moment. There comes a point when a player is no longer moldable; what he is is what he is. Maybe that comes at 23 or 24 or 25, but to take a guy at 26 and expect to be able to shape him into a more evolved version of himself like you regularly do with young kids who come out is wishful thinking. Has a player that old ever developed correctly out of college in the realignment era? Genuine question. Nevermind the fact that the dude would already be in his 30’s before his rookie deal was over, so you’re really only drafting a guy who has a career ceiling of 6-7 years even if he’s actually a big hit. Maybe Reagor eventually plays okay and we have a solid receiver for a few years. Maybe Dillard gets a different opportunity, plays earlier and is pretty good. Maybe Marcus beats the odds and has a nice career as a pass rush specialist. But Danny was dead on arrival, there’s no reasonable scenario where we look back and say if we could do it again we still take the old man.

I would put Dillard last. for sure On paper the pick made a ton of sense. It filled a need and it looked like tremendous value. I would also put it in its own tier as not nearly as bad as the first three. It turned out bad, but on paper the other three were terrible at the time.

From there I would go Smith, Reagor, and Watkins but you can make a good argument for any of them to be the worst. I give a slight edge to Watkins as the worst because they drafted a 26 year old with very limited playing experience. He also didn't love football at all which is something they should have been aware of.

how many Howies?

45 minutes ago, LacesOut said:

Ok Please answer this: why would they wait until the middle of the season to trade him?? I would think that the Eagles could get more for him now, with a trade.

But, hmmmmmm, if they traded him mid-season, to a team that's desperate for a WR, the Eagles could maybe get a better return? 🤔🧐

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

He ran 20-25 routes and dropped one pass. He didn’t do any testing.

More importantly...did he run enough hitches?

That's insane

31 minutes ago, Vlad67 said:

More importantly...did he run enough hitches?

Hours drop was on a hitch. Take him off the board.