1 hour ago, mattwill said:

For Green Bay he was WR3 and as such his stats are comparable to other WR3s. For us he is WR2.

No, I am comparing a less than healthy Lane 12 months ago (just like Barkley was less than healthy 12 months ago) to Lane today.

Your final paragraph capsulizes your approach … Always look on the dark side of Life. 🎶 🎶 🎶

So we are chalking it up as a given that Lane and Barkley are better simply because of 4 extra weeks of offseason? The longer offseason is nice, but you realize how absurd it is to call a position better in an analysis of two different rosters (compounded by another year of age) because of 4 extra weeks in the offseason?

And Hurts is better because he’ll run more? You know the list of QBs in nfl history that start running more and better in their 7th year in the nfl?

You are making it up as you go and passing it off as fact.

26 minutes ago, devpool said:

I think he's gonna be good i just don't know how much I trust this team to not F it up. I also have had terrible jersey luck with the flyers, maybe I can do a custom with an older name or something.

For the flyers I have (or had):

Giroux (it all goes down from here)

Ghost winter classic

Provorov

Lindblom (pre cancer)

Carter Hart (pre controversy)

Actually I think the only ones I still have are G and Lindblom

Lol maybe don't get a Porter Martone jersey then since it seems like a curse for the player when you do.

9 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

So we are chalking it up as a given that Lane and Barkley are better simply because of 4 extra weeks of offseason? The longer offseason is nice, but you realize how absurd it is to call a position better in an analysis of two different rosters (compounded by another year of age) because of 4 extra weeks in the offseason?

It's not just 4 extra weeks of an offseason. It's four less weeks of daily practices and playing in three games. But I agree you cannot just write off the age factor. I think it's reasonable to assume Barkley will be worse than in 2024 but better than 2025.

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Agree to disagree.

Was RT a hole last year? How is a WR2 that mixes bad hands, poor speed, and minimal productivity (332 yards you gave me the stats) NOT a hole?

You are making assumptions that players no teams attribute any value to outside of Philly can be meaningful non problematic starters here.

If TE2 was a pure in line blocker then they’d be an OL. Just as receiving from a TE isn’t that valuable if they can’t be at least a viable blocker, blocking from a TE isn’t that viable if they can’t command some level of coverage should they actually run a route. And a TE that is as effective receiving as Stowers is blocking doesn’t exactly fit that bill.

This roster simply isn’t as talented as what we normally see. You can insult me or call me negative all you want. It just isn’t.

It seems you're using the word "hole" when you mean it's a concern. A hole means they don't have someone at the position, or who they have is so bad it's worthless. Last year CB2 was a hole, with some poor attempts to fill it.

RT is not a "hole" on the roster. Lane is a HOF beast, still playing great when healthy. They have Fred Johnson a reliable veteran backup, when he's taken over at RT he's done well, and they have rookie Markell Bell who has shined and is already being talked about as Lane's long-term replacement (too soon to say that, but there's a lot of potential there). They are actually deep at that position.

LG isn't a "hole." It's got a great player who had injury problems. If he's healthy, a great starter. I do agree it's a concern, but not a "hole." Kendall played well and there's been talk of him being able to step in and start for Dickerson if he gets hurt.

TE isn't a "hole" but I do agree concerning because if Goedert gets hurt, there isn't great pass catching guys there, but they did upgrade the TE2 with a better blocker, which TE blocking was a huge problem last year. That will help the run game. Stowers was supposed to add the passing element and obviously that hasn't worked out so far. But too soon to write off a rookie.

Safety isn't a hole. Epps is a decent veteran, Mukuba was fine. Fangio likes Carter. It sounds like you want stud All Pro players at every position which is unrealistic. They will have a top 5 defense, 2 stud corners, 2 stud DTs and a great LB group. If the safeties are JAGS and just don't screw up they will still be a top defense.

At WR, it's obvious that with the new scheme they are going to spread the ball around. They didn't replace WR2 with a 1,000 yard receiver. They added Hollywood Brown, Wicks, Moore and Lemon, and Cooper had a good camp and preseason. It's definitely a concern, especially with the new offense. We haven't seen the starters on offense in any real game action and there should be expected growing pains. The O line is healthier and has more depth, and they have a great RB combo with Barkley and Bigsby so if that is successful it takes pressure off the offense. The OC not being a complete moron is also a huge upgrade.

There are concerns, but every team has concerns. Most NFL rosters are worse than ours.

So 4 remaining non-announced PS spots. Kiran Amegadjie reported to be one.

Feels like the remaining adds will be: TE, CB, WR/ Likely from outside the organisation though could see Danny Gray being back at WR

10 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Need to change the font from the pure green to see this. So everything is just better. Specially another year of age on Barkley and RB just keeps getting better. Got it

Given the youth of the D, another year of experience for Hunt, Smith, Carter, Davis, Ojomo, Campbell, Q, DeJean, and Mukuba the simple answer is Yes. Baun is a push, neither more talented nor less talented. Woolen is definitely more talented than Jackson was.

That takes care of the Defense. Regarding Barkley, your point about the impact of age on his body is valid, but the impact of the short offseason after the Super Bowl on conditioning is equal or greater. I believe greater, but that is simply an opinion. Jurgens was post-op at this time last year, as well as being impacted by the short offseason. He is young enough that his native talent is not yet deteriorating but his degraded health made his functional talent significantly less than his native talent last season.

Thor aren’t green tinted assessments. If you ask football people around the league you would get similar assessments.

BTW, is 45 your birth year? If it is then your general pessimistic/fatalistic/gloomy take on the Birds is easy to understand. I was born in 47 and I survived those horrendous seasons between 1960 and 1980 as well.

6 WRs, 6th being Elijah Moore and Howie made it a point today to say Joe Douglas drafted him.

So, here we have Joe Douglas influencing final roster decisions. 6 WRs and no one particularly exciting with special attributes. But we had to keep 6 because???? Because Joe Douglas drafted one of them.

Moore better produce and not just be inactive most of the season. Otherwise, theres no good reason for this.

I dont mind the player. I hate the optics of more Joe Douglas stink on this team.

20 minutes ago, Peppersmacks said:

It's not just 4 extra weeks of an offseason. It's four less weeks of daily practices and playing in three games. But I agree you cannot just write off the age factor. I think it's reasonable to assume Barkley will be worse than in 2024 but better than 2025.

I completely agree with your final sentence.

Your first two sentences as well.

11 minutes ago, kiwieagle said:

So 4 remaining non-announced PS spots. Kiran Amegadjie reported to be one.

Feels like the remaining adds will be: TE, CB, WR/ Likely from outside the organisation though could see Danny Gray being back at WR

We kept 6 WRs + Covey on the PS.

I dont see a need for any more WRs unless there is someone exciting out there.

23 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

So we are chalking it up as a given that Lane and Barkley are better simply because of 4 extra weeks of offseason? The longer offseason is nice, but you realize how absurd it is to call a position better in an analysis of two different rosters (compounded by another year of age) because of 4 extra weeks in the offseason?

And Hurts is better because he’ll run more? You know the list of QBs in nfl history that start running more and better in their 7th year in the nfl?

You are making it up as you go and passing it off as fact.

I vote for splitting the difference… It’s not all green roses and green daisies, but neither is it all a green hell.

For myself, I understand some pessimism for those who want to cling to what they saw last year and assume that those problems will just continue…

I also understand the optimism from those that view how this organization has typically/accurately self-scouted poor seasons and made changes that usually end up with improvements

For myself… I don’t feel any need to make any predictions. I do see both sides, though I do lean a bit towards the optimistic side (especially when it comes to the defense). As for the offense, I think the floor for Hurts is higher than some want to admit. And when you have a great defense, having a high floor at QB matters.

21 minutes ago, NOTW said:

It seems you're using the word "hole" when you mean it's a concern. A hole means they don't have someone at the position, or who they have is so bad it's worthless. Last year CB2 was a hole, with some poor attempts to fill it.

RT is not a "hole" on the roster. Lane is a HOF beast, still playing great when healthy. They have Fred Johnson a reliable veteran backup, when he's taken over at RT he's done well, and they have rookie Markell Bell who has shined and is already being talked about as Lane's long-term replacement (too soon to say that, but there's a lot of potential there). They are actually deep at that position.

LG isn't a "hole." It's got a great player who had injury problems. If he's healthy, a great starter. I do agree it's a concern, but not a "hole." Kendall played well and there's been talk of him being able to step in and start for Dickerson if he gets hurt.

TE isn't a "hole" but I do agree concerning because if Goedert gets hurt, there isn't great pass catching guys there, but they did upgrade the TE2 with a better blocker, which TE blocking was a huge problem last year. That will help the run game. Stowers was supposed to add the passing element and obviously that hasn't worked out so far. But too soon to write off a rookie.

Safety isn't a hole. Epps is a decent veteran, Mukuba was fine. Fangio likes Carter. It sounds like you want stud All Pro players at every position which is unrealistic. They will have a top 5 defense, 2 stud corners, 2 stud DTs and a great LB group. If the safeties are JAGS and just don't screw up they will still be a top defense.

At WR, it's obvious that with the new scheme they are going to spread the ball around. They didn't replace WR2 with a 1,000 yard receiver. They added Hollywood Brown, Wicks, Moore and Lemon, and Cooper had a good camp and preseason. It's definitely a concern, especially with the new offense. We haven't seen the starters on offense in any real game action and there should be expected growing pains. The O line is healthier and has more depth, and they have a great RB combo with Barkley and Bigsby so if that is successful it takes pressure off the offense. The OC not being a complete moron is also a huge upgrade.

There are concerns, but every team has concerns. Most NFL rosters are worse than ours.

Turkey Hill Post of the Day!

17 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Given the youth of the D, another year of experience for Hunt, Smith, Carter, Davis, Ojomo, Campbell, Q, DeJean, and Mukuba the simple answer is Yes. Baun is a push, neither more talented nor less talented. Woolen is definitely more talented than Jackson was.

That takes care of the Defense. Regarding Barkley, your point about the impact of age on his body is valid, but the impact of the short offseason after the Super Bowl on conditioning is equal or greater. I believe greater, but that is simply an opinion. Jurgens was post-op at this time last year, as well as being impacted by the short offseason. He is young enough that his native talent is not yet deteriorating but his degraded health made his functional talent significantly less than his native talent last season.

Thor aren’t green tinted assessments. If you ask football people around the league you would get similar assessments.

BTW, is 45 your birth year? If it is then your general pessimistic/fatalistic/gloomy take on the Birds is easy to understand. I was born in 47 and I survived those horrendous seasons between 1960 and 1980 as well.

I’m far younger than that. I’d challenge you to post that position by position analysis on the message board of an AFC team and to get a "yea that checks out” type of response.

I don’t like the roster construction but I also don’t think they lost anybody of value in the waiver claims. I think the roster is very talented.

Just now, pgcd3 said:

I don’t like the roster construction but I also don’t think they lost anybody of value in the waiver claims. I think the roster is very talented.

No one too upsetting.

I like Latu over Jenkins as TE4. Latu was a beast on STs.

And Gushiken was a little disappointing to lose. Considering we only kept 3 safeties, he would have been nice to keep on our PS.

Mostly, with the guys we were able to get on our PS it all worked out.

Just now, eagle45 said:

I’m far younger than that. I’d challenge you to post that position by position analysis on the message board of an AFC team and to get a "yea that checks out” type of response.

You think that 31 out of 31 NFL fanbases won’t say Carter now isn’t better than Carter 12 months ago?

You think that 31 out of 31 NFL fanbases won’t say Jordan Davis now isn’t better than Jordan Davis 12 months ago?

You think that 31 out of 31 NFL fanbases won’t say Q now isn’t better than Q 12 months ago?

There is a reason why all those players were in better slots on the NFL Top 100 this year than last year.

Eagles got Jaydon Blue for the PS.

I hate him as a RB, but seeing how much they are passing the the RBs, I dont mind trying him out.

Really, I think he could be a good KR. I think his special trait is his acceleration. Our KRs dont accelerate.

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

No one too upsetting.

I like Latu over Jenkins as TE4. Latu was a beast on STs.

And Gushiken was a little disappointing to lose. Considering we only kept 3 safeties, he would have been nice to keep on our PS.

Mostly, with the guys we were able to get on our PS it all worked out.

Yeah I don’t believe Jenkins will be on roster on year anyway but yes I don’t like him all that much tbh.

Gush was fast on ST. Didn’t look good in coverage but would have liked him on ST. Don’t understand Indy rostering him tho. Steichen must have gotten inside word which is annoying

6 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

7 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

@Joe Ball What say you?

Howie was pimping Jenkins and took pride in his development, especially in the blocking department. Already 27 years old. Didn't realize that. Color me skeptical in this one for real snaps here.

You know how I know we are better this year? No Xavier Gipson on the roster with all that contaminating Jets stink. And no Quez Watkins on the PS. This is tangible progress. And Howie needs to lay off 49er 3rd round busts.

We'll see what Howie does with 4 QBs, and keeping EJ Jenkins was certainly a choice. The 4th QB and Jenkins are the 52nd and 53rd roster spots, so it definitely could be worse. I think overall the roster is good enough to win 10 games, but really just depends on how Hurts looks in this offense.

I actually think Smitty and Wicks can be as productive as AJ and Smitty were last year

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

If he's the designated international player, he can't be signed to anyone's 53.

I also think he would probably choose to stay here anyway, dance with the one that brought you and all that.