1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

That’s just inexcusable and all these Wentz apologists need to shut up about "talent around him, play calling, and offensive line play” and simply watch Wentz suck here. There is no excuse for this. 

I do believe play calling blows too... but Wentz is just BAD. The entire NFL sees it. Just not many homer fans.

Just now, EagleMatt said:

I do believe play calling blows too... but Wentz is just BAD. The entire NFL sees it. Just not many homer fans.

I don’t think Doug has been particularly good this year, but his quarterback is making everyone around him worse and not better. 

He is way better when he takes off with the ball. I think if he does more of this it will open more things in the passing game. When DP went for it instead of kicking the FG, Wentz easily could have ran for the 1st. Yes he has ball control issues, but I think its time to let him run with it more often.

He's not Marino nor Peyton.  He's not a sit in the pocket QB.  His QB rating is higher when he's outside of the pocket.  Now, you can't roll him out every pass play, but Doug isn't rolling him out at all.  And with an OL that has the backups to the backup playing, you need to move the pocket, especially when you have WRs that have trouble getting separation.  Problem is this O is so mundane and vanilla that it's rather easy for any competent DC to negate it.  We need more motion before the snap, we need to get the plays in quicker so Wentz has more time at the LoS to diagnose the D and we need to move him around more to put pressure on the D.  Funny how most of us on here see it, but Doug and his OC by committee can't see it.

Despite what a few haters on this forum think, this isn't just a Wentz problem, this is an O team problem.  From the coaches to the players to the FO who put together the roster.  This is an institutional failure.  Right now we can't do anything about the roster, but the coaches can put the players in a better position to be successful and they have failed at that task every week. 

 

4 hours ago, EagleMatt said:

 

No excuse for that.  Next time a Wentz apologist goes on and on about the play calling, blaming Pederson, Howie or someone's cat for the Eagles problems, just show them this clip. 

1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

No excuse for that.  Next time a Wentz apologist goes on and on about the play calling, blaming Pederson, Howie or someone's cat for the Eagles problems, just show them this clip. 

The first couple of plays in the game too were designed for easy throws for Wentz. Nice little lay ups to get him going. And he whiffed. 

Play calling and this scheme may be an issue but we can't possibly know that with this QB right now. 

4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

The first couple of plays in the game too were designed for easy throws for Wentz. Nice little lay ups to get him going. And he whiffed. 

Play calling and this scheme may be an issue but we can't possibly know that with this QB right now. 

I don’t know what play calling can fix a quarterback missing wide open receivers especially when they’re clearly open before the snap!

9 hours ago, EagleMatt said:

I do believe play calling blows too... but Wentz is just BAD. The entire NFL sees it. Just not many homer fans.

I think the playcalling is just so dumbed down because Wentz right now can’t even execute the simple stuff, so how can they run anything more complex?

5 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

No excuse for that.  Next time a Wentz apologist goes on and on about the play calling, blaming Pederson, Howie or someone's cat for the Eagles problems, just show them this clip. 

And yet his apologists and die hard knob slobbers will swear its everybody else.....in this clip alone...not one but TWO wide open receivers!!! SMH....like I said previously, Hurts can't possibly be any worse than this.....he is a 2nd round pick......

1 minute ago, GeorgeM37 said:

And yet his apologists and die hard knob slobbers will swear its everybody else.....in this clip alone...not one but TWO wide open receivers!!! SMH....like I said previously, Hurts can't possibly be any worse than this.....he is a 2nd round pick......

Hurts threw one pass. He’s thrown three this season and every time he got the ball out quickly and made a completion. I have no idea what Wentz is doing out there, but right now he’s far from a franchise quarterback. 

9 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

That’s just inexcusable and all these Wentz apologists need to shut up about "talent around him, play calling, and offensive line play” and simply watch Wentz suck here. There is no excuse for this. 

Clear case of Wentz already deciding before the snap where he is going with the ball. He was going to Goedert there no matter what. If he just takes what the defense is giving, he’s got an easy completion on the underneath route to a WIDE OPEN receiver. This is where the ball needs to go with pressure coming up the middle. 
 

That said, Goedert also had separation. So it wasn’t the best decision in the play, but STILL would have worked if he actually throws an accurate ball. 

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

Hurts threw one pass. He’s thrown three this season and every time he got the ball out quickly and made a completion. I have no idea what Wentz is doing out there, but right now he’s far from a franchise quarterback. 

That's why I can't see doug keeping his job much longer. He actually completes the pass and then they yank him, put wentz back in and then he gets immediately sacked....did you see doug's presser yesterday? He is even worse than reid.....doesn't actually answer questions but dances around them....

Just now, nipples said:

Clear case of Wentz already deciding before the snap where he is going with the ball. He was going to Goedert there no matter what. If he just takes what the defense is giving, he’s got an easy completion on the underneath route to a WIDE OPEN receiver. This is where the ball needs to go with pressure coming up the middle. 
 

That said, Goedert also had separation. So it wasn’t the best decision in the play, but STILL would have worked if he actually throws an accurate ball. 

Its just more excuses for Wentz about separation and every other excuse because the announcers are also doing it. I have never seen in my life how one QB is so coddled that they won't speak bad about him even when he stinks it up to high hell.....I dont see winning another game with wentz in there at the helm. I just dont see it.....

You know what takes the cake? Seattle always beats us....Russ always wins against us...and they don't have monster offensive games because the defense always comes to play but its always the offense that craps the bed with them. Seattle only has to do just enough to win.....and they did it yet again on Monday night.....

9 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Hurts threw one pass. He’s thrown three this season and every time he got the ball out quickly and made a completion. I have no idea what Wentz is doing out there, but right now he’s far from a franchise quarterback. 

Yeah I really didn’t understand the thought process. Put Hurts in for a play where Wentz is struggling (again). He throws a nice accurate ball for a completion. Then immediately gets pulled back out and doesn’t see the field again (outside of another dumb gadget play with Wentz lined up at WR). What the hell is the point?

I believe Wentz was like 2-8 for 4 yards at that time. Hurts after that one play was 1-1 for 6 yards. 
 

It’s an incredibly small sample size so hard to draw any conclusions, but for all the talk about how Hurts just isn’t a polished enough passer, all three of the chances they’ve given him to actually throw it, he’s thrown a nice accurate ball. 

49 minutes ago, nipples said:

Clear case of Wentz already deciding before the snap where he is going with the ball. He was going to Goedert there no matter what. If he just takes what the defense is giving, he’s got an easy completion on the underneath route to a WIDE OPEN receiver. This is where the ball needs to go with pressure coming up the middle. 
 

That said, Goedert also had separation. So it wasn’t the best decision in the play, but STILL would have worked if he actually throws an accurate ball. 

What you’re saying is the little and big mistakes Wentz makes do add up and that’s why they’re losing. A better throw here, and a better decision with the ball there adds up. Don’t get me wrong though, because Doug is to blame too. His quarterback is clearly struggling yet his refusal to try and run the ball is maddening. The Seahawks in this game had no respect for the Eagles to complete deep passes so the packed the box and pressured the quarterback. The quarterback has no idea how to accurately distribute a hot read. He locks into one guy and misses the field. There is no excuse for that play. Reagor was telling him he was open, and he locked in presnap. That’s a rookie move. 

51 minutes ago, GeorgeM37 said:

That's why I can't see doug keeping his job much longer. He actually completes the pass and then they yank him, put wentz back in and then he gets immediately sacked....did you see doug's presser yesterday? He is even worse than reid.....doesn't actually answer questions but dances around them....

I feel like Doug has checked out. He seems pretty disinterested with everything. He kind of threw it out there he might let someone else call plays. Yeah I highly doubt it. I don’t see anything from this team right now that looks like they’re trying to actually win. 

1 hour ago, GeorgeM37 said:

That's why I can't see doug keeping his job much longer. He actually completes the pass and then they yank him, put wentz back in and then he gets immediately sacked....did you see doug's presser yesterday? He is even worse than reid.....doesn't actually answer questions but dances around them....

I think it is more that Doug just doesn't know how to answer those questions.  I don't think he is very good at thinking on his feet and hence the answers which make absolutely no sense.  

8 minutes ago, time2rock said:

I think it is more that Doug just doesn't know how to answer those questions.  I don't think he is very good at thinking on his feet and hence the answers which make absolutely no sense.  

Which makes it even MORE infuriating.....at least with Reid you could tell he was just aggravated by the questions....

2 hours ago, nipples said:

Yeah I really didn’t understand the thought process. Put Hurts in for a play where Wentz is struggling (again). He throws a nice accurate ball for a completion. Then immediately gets pulled back out and doesn’t see the field again (outside of another dumb gadget play with Wentz lined up at WR). What the hell is the point?

I believe Wentz was like 2-8 for 4 yards at that time. Hurts after that one play was 1-1 for 6 yards. 
 

It’s an incredibly small sample size so hard to draw any conclusions, but for all the talk about how Hurts just isn’t a polished enough passer, all three of the chances they’ve given him to actually throw it, he’s thrown a nice accurate ball. 

But you have fans and even commentators saying he isn't the answer, as if they Fing know for a fact. You just never know until they play. Brady was a 6th and is now the GOAT. 

Hurts cant be any worse. What can possibly happen, lose more? Oh no! Doug is rewarding Carson by continued play time with garbage play. Doug's clearly in over his head here.

12 hours ago, EagleMatt said:

 

That is so infuriating.  I remember that play, I thought it was actually a pretty good throw.  It was a piss poor read, though.  How can you win an NFL game if you can't take advantage of defensive mistakes?

Legitimate question - how long can you actually start Wentz?  If you just blindly keep going with him, you're going to lose the locker room, if you haven't already.  WRs can't be putting in max effort, Wentz doesn't even look in their direction.  OL just gets beaten up every week for giving up 6 sacks, but it's just Carson's inability to read a defense.  Miles gets no carries at all, partially because Carson can't complete a pass and Doug seems to be unable to call a running play.

If this were a flat out QB competition, is there any chance Carson would beat out Jalen Hurts? 

Baldy said elsewhere: Carson has regressed because his fundamentals are not sound.  Poor fundamentals leads to incompletions and an inability to read defense.  He needs to go back to the fundamentals.  He's throwing off balance and with his upper body.  Flip coached him out of this.  A big question is the coaching: is Carson not being coached well or is he just not listening to his coach?

 

12 hours ago, EagleMatt said:

 

When he was drafted, the hype about him was that he was really, really smart.  That he was excellent with pre-snap reads and that he was going to eventually be like the next Peyton Manning practically calling his own plays out there because he is so smart and sees things so well, and then post-snap reads the defense so well.  

People are blaming the receivers and the O line and injuries...and then ignore plays like this.  

There's really no excuse for that play. Not sure why is missing something that obvious. This is what makes me think something is still messed up in his head from that concussion. He needs to be benched. Play Hurts and see what he can do, he can't be worse. Carson needs a reset and probably a new coaching staff, not sure that will even help him get back to the player he was  but more importantly I hope his health is OK for his and his families sake.

50 minutes ago, EagleMatt said:

But you have fans and even commentators saying he isn't the answer, as if they Fing know for a fact. You just never know until they play. Brady was a 6th and is now the GOAT. 

Hurts cant be any worse. What can possibly happen, lose more? Oh no! Doug is rewarding Carson by continued play time with garbage play. Doug's clearly in over his head here.

That's been my thing right there....like HOW do you all know that he isn't the answer if you won't play him???? There have been plenty of second round picks that have gone on to start and like you said...Brady went sixth and is one of the all time greats....

3 hours ago, NOTW said:

When he was drafted, the hype about him was that he was really, really smart.  That he was excellent with pre-snap reads and that he was going to eventually be like the next Peyton Manning practically calling his own plays out there because he is so smart and sees things so well, and then post-snap reads the defense so well.  

People are blaming the receivers and the O line and injuries...and then ignore plays like this.  

I remember that and even earlier on he was playing smart (2016-2017). Calling audibles making smart plays. Hes somebody else.

 

Clowney broke him. 

4 minutes ago, EagleMatt said:

I remember that and even earlier on he was playing smart (2016-2017). Calling audibles making smart plays. Hes somebody else.

 

Clowney broke him. 

It's been 3 years man, not Clowney.  I think the main reason is Reich and Flip left and their replacements weren't good.  Plus injuries to him, teammate injuries giving him less to work with, and bad coaching.

In 2018 he was recovering from injury and had a chip on his shoulder after watching Foles win, and they erected a statue to him.  People have short memories, but on here a lot of fans were saying Wentz isn't right, he's timid after his injury.  There were reports Carson was working on his mechanics in the offseason.  Criticisms about his footwork and accuracy.

2019 he again was coming off a season ending injury and watching Foles step in and win a playoff game the year before.  He was healthy last year and played all 16 regular season games, but if you recall again people were critical of his decision making, accuracy and hero ball.  He had his starters and was struggling, then somehow at the end of the season with scrub backup receivers and a makeshift O line (granted against weaker teams), played better and closed out the season winning the division but he still had a shaky year.

It's not just this year.  And the status have been show that he's been average since 2018.  What's the main factor after 207?  Reich and Flip left.