Time to put Howie back in the basement? - Discuss Howie Roseman here

[NOTW]

Picks I like: Smith, Gainwell

The rest: 

• Dickerson seems like a beast if heathy, serious concerns there though
• Williams: will he ever be more than a backup/rotational guy? Seems like a talented pick though
• Zech: seems like a project and won't be on the team in a couple years

I think the issue many fans will have with this draft will not necessarily be who they drafted, but who they DIDN'T draft.  Similar to the last few where there were guys on the board they liked and were at positions of need.  Not hindsight after they end up being good players, but at draft time, wanting them to take a corner, LB, DE, etc.

Howie has a knack for taking guys who are JAGS or decent backups or just ok starters...then apologists look back and say the picks aren't that bad...but they could have had better and they need to do better.

[PoconoDon]

39 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Picks I like: Smith, Gainwell

The rest: 

• Dickerson seems like a beast if heathy, serious concerns there though
• Williams: will he ever be more than a backup/rotational guy? Seems like a talented pick though
• Zech: seems like a project and won't be on the team in a couple years

I think the issue many fans will have with this draft will not necessarily be who they drafted, but who they DIDN'T draft.  Similar to the last few where there were guys on the board they liked and were at positions of need.  Not hindsight after they end up being good players, but at draft time, wanting them to take a corner, LB, DE, etc.

Howie has a knack for taking guys who are JAGS or decent backups or just ok starters...then apologists look back and say the picks aren't that bad...but they could have had better and they need to do better.

Fair analysis NOTW.

Cream always rises to the top, and in the big picture on draft weekend, Howie never rises. He is not the cream of the crop. He is at his best, a mediocre drafting GM mired in mediocrity, and sometimes less than that. He should be replaced. Lurie won't do it. We are stuck with this for a long time. I have grown somewhat indifferent to their chances in the draft, and negative to their incessant failures within it.  

[kentwo]

One of the podcast (ITD or EEITS) highlighted Howie's biggest deficiency as his interpersonal skills. After the Chip ordeal and his forced sabbatical, he supposedly got better. But the podcast's host mentioned that over the past few seasons he has reverted back to old Howie. Not listening or collaborating well with the various parts of the organization (coaches, scouts, personnel, etc...)

This draft seems to be highlighting that. From the reactions of the other people in the room with his picks, rumors from last draft that he ignores the scouting department, and his seemingly unawareness of team needs, his deficiency appears to be still in place. 

 

[Swimm]

Another garbage draft by boy wonder here. I wish him  and Lurie would just go away and stop ruining this team. 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Swimm said:

Another garbage draft by boy wonder here. I wish him  and Lurie would just go away and stop ruining this team. 

Agreed

[NOTW]

Howie sometimes makes good trades, made an easy no brainer pick at #10 and sometimes gets some good free agents or trades for proven players.  

Unfortunately, he fails at the primary and most important aspect of his job which is building a team through the draft, which is why he has to rely on the above.  He even has screwed up the cap, bad contracts and some bad trades in the last few years as well.  

Howie no longer brings anything special to the table like masterful cap management.  

[mjkvol]

3 hours ago, PoconoDon said:

Fair analysis NOTW.

Cream always rises to the top, and in the big picture on draft weekend, Howie never rises. He is not the cream of the crop. He is at his best, a mediocre drafting GM mired in mediocrity, and sometimes less than that. He should be replaced. Lurie won't do it. We are stuck with this for a long time. I have grown somewhat indifferent to their chances in the draft, and negative to their incessant failures within it.  

The worst part of that is his arrogance while doing the mediocre job he does, obviously fully confident that Lurie will continue to allow him to engage in his personal game of fantasy football with this billion dollar franchise.            That vid of Roseman and Donohoe spoke volumes - a personnel pro disgusted by a clueless, arrogant wannabe playing at being an NFL GM.

[ToDie4Eagles]

I'd say it's time to turn the lights out on ol' Howie Boy...

[mjkvol]

As long as the ticket and merchandise sales keep the cash register ringing, nothing is going to be done.          Lurie has his Super Bowl and clearly believes that Roseman's genius was the key to getting the franchise to the promised land.        How else to explain cleaning house and leaving this buffoon in place to embarrass the franchise like this?           This is what it's gonna be for the foreseeable future.

[PoconoDon]

1 hour ago, mjkvol said:

The worst part of that is his arrogance while doing the mediocre job he does, obviously fully confident that Lurie will continue to allow him to engage in his personal game of fantasy football with this billion dollar franchise.            That vid of Roseman and Donohoe spoke volumes - a personnel pro disgusted by a clueless, arrogant wannabe playing at being an NFL GM.

Yes on both counts.

Meanwhile Joe Douglas who wasn't good enough to supplant Howie here, at least on the surface, looks like he absolutely killed the draft for the Jets.

[mjkvol]

1 hour ago, PoconoDon said:

Yes on both counts.

Meanwhile Joe Douglas who wasn't good enough to supplant Howie here, at least on the surface, looks like he absolutely killed the draft for the Jets.

And you remember how Douglas was marginalized here before he left for the Jets job?          The Jets weren't fooled, and look like they have gotten themselves a good one who learned from real pros in Baltimare.          Meanwhile, we have Mr. Fist Bump on the job.

[eggs]

The basement is too high for him after this draft. 
 

After this draft and the offseason of extending overpriced contracts, and all those wasted picks, Donahoe needs to be GM, now. 

[eggs]

[eggs]

8 hours ago, NOTW said:

Picks I like: Smith, Gainwell

The rest: 

• Dickerson seems like a beast if heathy, serious concerns there though
• Williams: will he ever be more than a backup/rotational guy? Seems like a talented pick though
• Zech: seems like a project and won't be on the team in a couple years

I think the issue many fans will have with this draft will not necessarily be who they drafted, but who they DIDN'T draft.  Similar to the last few where there were guys on the board they liked and were at positions of need.  Not hindsight after they end up being good players, but at draft time, wanting them to take a corner, LB, DE, etc.

Howie has a knack for taking guys who are JAGS or decent backups or just ok starters...then apologists look back and say the picks aren't that bad...but they could have had better and they need to do better.

I agree - all those picks and two guys who can play - and one of them is going to be injured, alot. 

[eggs]

On 9/21/2020 at 8:47 AM, EazyEaglez said:

You’re right. Just permanently escort him out of the building. 

And put Donahoe in charge. 

[EazyEaglez]

23 hours ago, NOTW said:

 

Sounds like the "fun part” for Howie is completely ignoring the advice of his scouts, going rouge, and looking at their faces as he screwed them after all their hard work. Howie gonna Howie. 

[pgcd3]

11 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Sounds like the "fun part” for Howie is completely ignoring the advice of his scouts, going rouge, and looking at their faces as he screwed them after all their hard work. Howie gonna Howie. 

There's a clip of Gannon super pumped by the pick that was happening before the Donahoe incident. I'm no Howie fan but I think this incident is overblown

[[TSM]_PimpDaddyPain]

6 hours ago, mjkvol said:

The worst part of that is his arrogance while doing the mediocre job he does, obviously fully confident that Lurie will continue to allow him to engage in his personal game of fantasy football with this billion dollar franchise.            That vid of Roseman and Donohoe spoke volumes - a personnel pro disgusted by a clueless, arrogant wannabe playing at being an NFL GM.

I wish someone had a link to that 😆

[EazyEaglez]

4 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

There's a clip of Gannon super pumped by the pick that was happening before the Donahoe incident. I'm no Howie fan but I think this incident is overblown

Well that all could’ve easily been dismissed if Howie said he sometimes gets too excited rather than him saying what he said. Hopefully the kid pans out, because that’s the only way this all really boils over. 

[UK_EaglesFan89]

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Well that all could’ve easily been dismissed if Howie said he sometimes gets too excited rather than him saying what he said. Hopefully the kid pans out, because that’s the only way this all really boils over. 

The incident is absolutely overblown but the way this FO and organisation is right now its just a bad luck. Donohoe didn't cover himself in any glory but nor has Howie. 

[TEW]

On 4/30/2021 at 7:04 PM, NOTW said:

Picking #10 overall is one thing, let's see the rest.

ABC just put this graphic up and said days 2-3 are really how you build your team.

How many were signed as free agents? And of course you're going to have more starters from outside the first: there's 22 starting spots and only 1 first round pick per year.

[pgcd3]

56 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

The incident is absolutely overblown but the way this FO and organisation is right now its just a bad luck. Donohoe didn't cover himself in any glory but nor has Howie. 

Donahoe's been around for a lot of bad drafts himself. They track who everyone recommends.  I doubt he's been recommending all stellar picks

[Jeep_man]

Howie has BallZ, to take another injury prone player in the 2nd round after Sidney Jones, that really tells you something...

[pgcd3]

1 hour ago, Jeep_man said:

Howie has BallZ, to take another injury prone player in the 2nd round after Sidney Jones, that really tells you something...

The Dickerson pick was all about Stoutland.  He dealt with the dysfunction & injuries last year and they convinced him to stay and not leave for Alabama. He got his pick. He has a lot of clout in the org

[gameshowfan91]

We need to not go to games nor buy merchandise until Howie is fired from Eagles. Howie needs to be sent to WWE, where he can't screw things up for others. He can be someone wrestlers squash.