12 hours ago, judunno said:

Is he even playing? I haven't been following Detroit but didn't see him on the field vs Dallas

Torn pec in week 2. Might be back for the playoffs. 

8 hours ago, JohnB said:

How about Hargrave? Went to SF and was an immediate upgrade on an already very talented defense. I'm not blaming Howie, btw. 

Losing Hargrave has been the biggest hit on the defensive side of the ball and it isn't close. He would collapse the pocket consistently, had 11 sacks last year and has 7 for the 49'ers this year. Unfortunately they were never going to be able to match the offer. 

3 minutes ago, Mat said:

Losing Hargrave has been the biggest hit on the defensive side of the ball and it isn't close. He would collapse the pocket consistently, had 11 sacks last year and has 7 for the 49'ers this year. Unfortunately they were never going to be able to match the offer. 

Yeah I think that’s fair. Carter started the year on fire but I think he’s hit the rookie wall which was always likely to happen. Hargrave is such a force in terms of pass rushing and that’s so important to be able to collapse the pocket and move the QB off their spot.

3 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Yeah I think that’s fair. Carter started the year on fire but I think he’s hit the rookie wall which was always likely to happen. Hargrave is such a force in terms of pass rushing and that’s so important to be able to collapse the pocket and move the QB off their spot.

It's also not a coincidence that Sweat's numbers dipped as Carter hit the wall. I think Sweat benefited the most from having Hargrave next to him. He hasn't had a sack in the last 7 games

2 minutes ago, Mat said:

It's also not a coincidence that Sweat's numbers dipped as Carter hit the wall. I think Sweat benefited the most from having Hargrave next to him. He hasn't had a sack in the last 7 games

Yeah I think that’s completely fair. Reddick hasn’t been as dominant this year either. He’s still put up good numbers but I don’t think he’s impacted games the same way but again I think he benefited from that collapsed pocket. With his speed that was perfect for him.

18 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Yeah I think that’s completely fair. Reddick hasn’t been as dominant this year either. He’s still put up good numbers but I don’t think he’s impacted games the same way but again I think he benefited from that collapsed pocket. With his speed that was perfect for him.

Reddick exploded after the cast came off but hasn't had a sack the last 3 weeks. I think the Cards game was his worst of the season, the other ones he at least looked like he was getting pressure. 

37 minutes ago, Mat said:

Reddick exploded after the cast came off but hasn't had a sack the last 3 weeks. I think the Cards game was his worst of the season, the other ones he at least looked like he was getting pressure. 

Yeah I just feel like he’s not having that same impact as last year. His sack numbers are still good but he’s just not impacting games like he was.

46 minutes ago, Mat said:

Reddick exploded after the cast came off but hasn't had a sack the last 3 weeks. I think the Cards game was his worst of the season, the other ones he at least looked like he was getting pressure. 

When he's getting dropped into coverage its hard to do anything

8 hours ago, JohnB said:

I thought everyone was raving about our draft. We got all those Bulldogs, or Alabama, or wherever the hell they're all from. How can they be expected to be All-Pro's right out of the gate? 

I was referring to his free agent signings, not draft picks.

This does come back to the cap management question, I know we talk about this every year and we never go over the cap, but the difference is we haven't had a lot of cap to spare since the Alshon Jeffery year, so whereas the 49ers can go to the NFC Championship game last year and then splash in free agency and trades on players like Hargrave and Chase Young to get better and get them over the hump the next season, we got to the Superbowl and got worse by losing Edwards, Hargrave, Gardener-Johnson and Seumalo. Edwards and Hargrave in particular would've improved the defense out of sight, instead we get washed ex pro bowlers and sketchy starters cut from other teams on short term rentals.

There's no quick road out of this, in fact with players like Smitty and Dickerson coming up on the end of their rookie deals it may get worse before it gets better, we've been robbing Peter to pay Paul for a few years and the bill is coming due.

 

1 hour ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

This does come back to the cap management question, I know we talk about this every year and we never go over the cap, but the difference is we haven't had a lot of cap to spare since the Alshon Jeffery year, so whereas the 49ers can go to the NFC Championship game last year and then splash in free agency and trades on players like Hargrave and Chase Young to get better and get them over the hump the next season, we got to the Superbowl and got worse by losing Edwards, Hargrave, Gardener-Johnson and Seumalo. Edwards and Hargrave in particular would've improved the defense out of sight, instead we get washed ex pro bowlers and sketchy starters cut from other teams on short term rentals.

There's no quick road out of this, in fact with players like Smitty and Dickerson coming up on the end of their rookie deals it may get worse before it gets better, we've been robbing Peter to pay Paul for a few years and the bill is coming due.

 

Having a 7th round rookie QB contract at the most expensive position in football will allow you to do that 

3 minutes ago, Mat said:

Having a 7th round rookie QB contract at the most expensive position in football will allow you to do that 

They brought in McCaffrey when they still had Jimmy G and Lance contracts on the books as well, guess again hot shot.

Just now, Cochis_Calhoun said:

They brought in McCaffrey when they still had Jimmy G and Lance contracts on the books as well, guess again hot shot.

Lance who was also on a rookie contract and Jimmy G who was worth 7 mill?

Lance counts for an 8 mill dead cap hit this year. They're paying Purdry peanuts and Darnold like 5 mill. The Giants cap hit for Daniel Jones is 15 mill this year. Of course they're going to be able to stack the roster when they're paying F all at the QB position. The Eagles did the same thing when Wentz was on his rookie deal. But try again 

Not sure how anyone can see the complete incompetence that is currently happening with our coaching staff (with a pro-bowl roster on offense) and somehow thinks it’s Howie’s fault.  
 

Stick to playing Madden and fantasy football if you’re one of them. 

21 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

They brought in McCaffrey when they still had Jimmy G and Lance contracts on the books as well, guess again hot shot.

Those weren't huge contracts though. They were certainly able to do Hargraves and Young thanks to Purdy. Eventually though they will have to pay the QB so this may be their last shot with this loaded roster. Eagles missed theirs :(

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Not sure how anyone can see the complete incompetence that is currently happening with out coaching staff (with a pro-bowl roster on offense) and somehow thinks it’s Howie’s fault.  
 

Go back to playing Madden if you’re one of them. 

Howie hired and signed off on the coaching staff. Additionally the Howie blame is based on the perceived micromanagement of the schemes/philosophy, the total disregard of the importance of LBs, and the mistakes with the secondary. Trading away DL depth during the season and not replacing it came back to bite as well. I think everyone thought we'd bring back Suh and another DE to eat up snaps. It never happened and now the DL is burned out. He certainly has his share of blame in this collapse.

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Not sure how anyone can see the complete incompetence that is currently happening with our coaching staff (with a pro-bowl roster on offense) and somehow thinks it’s Howie’s fault.  
 

Stick to playing Madden and fantasy football if you’re one of them. 

I'm sorry I thought Howie built the whole roster, I didn't realise he was only responsible for the loaded bits. Who is responsible for our decade long refusal to treat Linebacker and Safety as serious positions on an NFL roster? Desai or Sirianni? Who's responsible for the cap management that is done by continually backloading contracts that means we've been bumping along the bottom of available cap space since 2017?  Brian Johnson? 

Hell who appoints our coaching staff?  Is it the guy playing Madden?

2 minutes ago, judunno said:

Howie hired and signed off on the coaching staff. Additionally the Howie blame is based on the perceived micromanagement of the schemes/philosophy, the total disregard of the importance of LBs, and the mistakes with the secondary. Trading away DL depth during the season and not replacing it came back to bite as well. I think everyone thought we'd bring back Suh and another DE to eat up snaps. It never happened and now the DL is burned out. He certainly has his share of blame in this collapse.

I highly doubt the D Line is "burnt out”. Not sure when that narrative started but it’s a bunch of nonsense.

Do you know what messes up a solid D Line?  Having your top pass rusher run around all over the field in pass coverage.   That’s what hurts the D Line. 

13 minutes ago, judunno said:

Those weren't huge contracts though. They were certainly able to do Hargraves and Young thanks to Purdy. Eventually though they will have to pay the QB so this may be their last shot with this loaded roster. Eagles missed theirs 😞

Hurts cap hit this year was under $7million. It isn't the QB contract.

5 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I'm sorry I thought Howie built the whole roster, I didn't realise he was only responsible for the loaded bits. Who is responsible for our decade long refusal to treat Linebacker and Safety as serious positions on an NFL roster? Desai or Sirianni? Who's responsible for the cap management that is done by continually backloading contracts that means we've been bumping along the bottom of available cap space since 2017?  Brian Johnson? 

Hell who appoints our coaching staff?  Is it the guy playing Madden?

Howie hires head coaches and typically lets them bring in their own coaching staff (with some exceptions, like keeping some of our better coaches like Stoutland on board, etc)

The entire reason Doug Pederson moved on is because the Eagles wanted to replace his coaches and he refused to let them go.   What does that tell you?  It tells you the head coaches are the ones responsible for bringing their coaches in with some input from the Front Office.

 

 

 

Just now, Ace Nova said:

I highly doubt the D Line is "burnt out”. Not sure when that narrative started but it’s a bunch of nonsense.

Do you know what messes up a solid D Line?  Having your top pass rusher run around all over the field in pass coverage.   That’s what hurts the D Line. 

Someone broke down the ridiculous amount of snaps that they have already taken this year compared to last. The discrepancy is great. Especially when it comes to the rookie and 2nd year Davis. Even ancient Cox has taken a significant amount of snaps. Not being able to get off the field on 3rd down because of the LBs and Secondary took its toll. If you can't see that this isn't typical when they thrived with a rotation and keeping guys fresh over the years I don't know what to tell you.

1 minute ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

Hurts cap hit this year was under $7million. It isn't the QB contract.

It most certainly is the QB contract. It limits what they can do long term. He couldn't go on a big spending binge this year knowing the big Hurts bucks would imminently kick in with Smitty and other contracts on the horizon.

3 minutes ago, judunno said:

Someone broke down the ridiculous amount of snaps that they have already taken this year compared to last. The discrepancy is great. Especially when it comes to the rookie and 2nd year Davis. Even ancient Cox has taken a significant amount of snaps. Not being able to get off the field on 3rd down because of the LBs and Secondary took its toll. If you can't see that this isn't typical when they thrived with a rotation and keeping guys fresh over the years I don't know what to tell you.

"Not being able to get off the field”. Why is that happening?  Because our genius play callers are playing  soft coverage defense (our weakness) instead of applying pressure to the QB (our strengths). 
 

This is an 80% coaching issue and 20% personnel issue on defense and a 95% coaching issue on offense. 

Just now, Ace Nova said:

"Not being able to get off the field”. Why is that happening?  Because our genius play callers are playing  soft coverage defense (our weakness) instead of applying pressure to the QB (our strengths). 
 

This is an 80% coaching issue and 20% personnel issue on defense and a 95% coaching issue on offense. 

The personnel stinks my guy. DBs and LBs have been getting destroyed all year. There's no saving them. They've been trying to compensate for poor LB play with the 5 man fronts and that jacks the rotation. Cornerbacks and Safeties can't cover with the exception of Slay. Personnel on defense is way bigger a problem than you are suggesting. I would argue this was a retooling year for the defense. Yes the scheme also stinks. It can be both.

We have a PRO BOWL roster on offense.  If we score as much as we should be scoring, we could allow 30 points a game on defense (still inexcusable) and still have a winning record.

 

Andy Reid with this exact personnel on offense would average 40 points per game.  There, I said it. 

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

We have a PRO BOWL roster on offense.  If we score as much as we should be scoring, we could allow 30 points a game on defense (still inexcusable) and still have a winning record.

 

Andy Reid with this exact personnel on offense would average 40 points per game.  There, I said it. 

Fair. But how is the offense going to score all of those points if the defense can't get off the field?