Time to put Howie back in the basement? - Discuss Howie Roseman here

[EagleJoe8]

1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

Not sure how anyone can see the complete incompetence that is currently happening with our coaching staff (with a pro-bowl roster on offense) and somehow thinks it’s Howie’s fault.  
 

Stick to playing Madden and fantasy football if you’re one of them. 

Everyone shares in it. Too many people seem hell bent on focusing on whatever they deem to be the #1 cause of the team issues, and ignoring everything else. This is an issue of coaching, players making mistakes, and a lack of talent in key areas, specifically the back 7 on defense. It all plays a part. 

[Geemen]

He probably shouldnt have just blindly picked players in the draft just because tey went to the university of georgia. I question his scouting

[CouchKing]

A year ago, Howie looked like GM of The Year. Sometimes the moves work out. Sometimes they don't. Either you got the horses or you don't. Look slike this team is missing pieces on D, in coaching...and may have made a fatal error in extending run first Jalen Hurts.

[NOTW]

3 hours ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Everyone shares in it. Too many people seem hell bent on focusing on whatever they deem to be the #1 cause of the team issues, and ignoring everything else. This is an issue of coaching, players making mistakes, and a lack of talent in key areas, specifically the back 7 on defense. It all plays a part. 

"It's the whole team!"  

Offense: the roster is excellent, the issue is coaching.  I think the lack of preparation and discipline bleeds over to the players.  Great players like Kelce, Mailata get dumb penalties and great receivers have drops, Hurts looks hesitant.  I don't think they believe in the coaches.  It's crazy they have 1,000 yard performers despite the dumb play calling.  They just rely on basic plays and forcing it to playmakers there is no intelligent scheming.   The players have to take accountability for their mistakes and decisions as well (Hurts is not the same as last year) but mainly it's coaching.  The roster is built to dominate.

Defense: it's coaching but also roster.  This organization has got to start prioritizing the LB position.  The LBs are so weak teams march into FG range with ease.  They need a full-time DE opposite Sweat since BG is a part-time rotational player.  DTs are gassed; Carter and Davis not used to the long season and Cox and Williams had injuries.  Add a solid DE to start (a 1st or 2nd round draft pick or a free agent) and that helps immensely.  Add another DE who can also rotate in.  If they're going to keep going with Reddick and Nolan Smith as pass rush specialists instead of traditional DE...you need competent LBs.

At LB, it's understandable Edwards took a hometown discount but then Howie should have re-signed Kyzir White.  They relied on Dean being the answer and he was unproven.  Dean next to White and Reddick would have been better.  They're signing scrubs in August and getting has beens at the trade deadline.  They need to prioritize the position.  If Dean can be healthy next year he can be decent, but they must get a real every down LB on this team.

In the secondary, Howie wanted to bring back CJG but he wanted more money, so he moved to plan B to re-sign Bradberry.  Slay took the opportunity to want more money so he restructured.  The thought was bring back 2 veterans in the secondary.   The pass rush was more dominant last year so they expected that again especially adding Carter, and 2 veterans at corner would make it ok.  It was foolish to rely on Maddox, he's done.  You can get by with Blankenship, Edmunds/Byard and Sidney Brown at safety IF the pass rush is dominant like it should be, AND the corners are solid, and the LBs are at least decent and not a total liability.  

In short: add a quality DE and LB (and another LB for depth/rotation) and a major upgrade at Defensive Coordinator and the roster starts to look a lot better.  Cut Bradberry.  Isaiah Rodgers will be available, plus Ricks and Ringo showed rookie promise and will have a full offseason, and Slay has 1 more year and he's been solid enough this year.

[Diehardfan]

54 minutes ago, NOTW said:

"It's the whole team!"  

Offense: the roster is excellent, the issue is coaching.  I think the lack of preparation and discipline bleeds over to the players.  Great players like Kelce, Mailata get dumb penalties and great receivers have drops, Hurts looks hesitant.  I don't think they believe in the coaches.  It's crazy they have 1,000 yard performers despite the dumb play calling.  They just rely on basic plays and forcing it to playmakers there is no intelligent scheming.   The players have to take accountability for their mistakes and decisions as well (Hurts is not the same as last year) but mainly it's coaching.  The roster is built to dominate.

Defense: it's coaching but also roster.  This organization has got to start prioritizing the LB position.  The LBs are so weak teams march into FG range with ease.  They need a full-time DE opposite Sweat since BG is a part-time rotational player.  DTs are gassed; Carter and Davis not used to the long season and Cox and Williams had injuries.  Add a solid DE to start (a 1st or 2nd round draft pick or a free agent) and that helps immensely.  Add another DE who can also rotate in.  If they're going to keep going with Reddick and Nolan Smith as pass rush specialists instead of traditional DE...you need competent LBs.

At LB, it's understandable Edwards took a hometown discount but then Howie should have re-signed Kyzir White.  They relied on Dean being the answer and he was unproven.  Dean next to White and Reddick would have been better.  They're signing scrubs in August and getting has beens at the trade deadline.  They need to prioritize the position.  If Dean can be healthy next year he can be decent, but they must get a real every down LB on this team.

In the secondary, Howie wanted to bring back CJG but he wanted more money, so he moved to plan B to re-sign Bradberry.  Slay took the opportunity to want more money so he restructured.  The thought was bring back 2 veterans in the secondary.   The pass rush was more dominant last year so they expected that again especially adding Carter, and 2 veterans at corner would make it ok.  It was foolish to rely on Maddox, he's done.  You can get by with Blankenship, Edmunds/Byard and Sidney Brown at safety IF the pass rush is dominant like it should be, AND the corners are solid, and the LBs are at least decent and not a total liability.  

In short: add a quality DE and LB (and another LB for depth/rotation) and a major upgrade at Defensive Coordinator and the roster starts to look a lot better.  Cut Bradberry.  Isaiah Rodgers will be available, plus Ricks and Ringo showed rookie promise and will have a full offseason, and Slay has 1 more year and he's been solid enough this year.

They would really have to pay for Queen but he would be a good first step that would allow them to focus on CB/DE/S in the draft.

[CheesesteakNBeer]

13 hours ago, JohnB said:

 

 

I don't know, man. I would argue that we were too bad to be 10-1 or whatever we started at. We won a lot of games we should have lost

Maybe but look at this talent?

I would argue we have 2 of the top ten wideouts in the leauge, top 5 tight end, top 5 offensive line with 2 HOF candidates, defense Cox Graham eagles all time greats, 2 of Georgia's all decade defensive lineman. The list goes on. That points at philosophy and coaching.

[UK_EaglesFan89]

2 minutes ago, CheesesteakNBeer said:

I would argue we have 2 of the top ten wideouts in the leauge, top 5 tight end, top 5 offensive line with 2 HOF candidates, defense Cox Graham eagles all time greats, 2 of Georgia's all decade defensive lineman. The list goes on. That points at philosophy and coaching.

The offense for me is the major concern. I know the defense has been awful but it also lacks a lot of talent and at key key positions. But the offense just has been so stale and it stalls every game for periods.

[NOTW]

58 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

They would really have to pay for Queen but he would be a good first step that would allow them to focus on CB/DE/S in the draft.

I don't know Baltimore's situation, will they let him hit free agency?  If he does, would Howie invest in that position?  He'll want a huge contract. 

They will not be drafting a corner, and if they draft a safety it won't be high.  We'll see if they cut Bradberry or not, but they will not think they need a corner with Slay, Ricks, Ringo and Isaiah Rodgers returning from suspension.  At Safety, they will think they are fine with Blankenship and Sidney Brown, and at best draft mid to late rounds.  Don't know if Byard will be back but if so, they'll consider him a solid backup veteran to think "we're fine there."  

So we have to hope they get major upgrades at DE, LB and depth at safety.  And a competent DC to coach them all.

 

[NOTW]

38 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

The offense for me is the major concern. I know the defense has been awful but it also lacks a lot of talent and at key key positions. But the offense just has been so stale and it stalls every game for periods.

The offense is very confusing, inconsistent and misleading.  The roster is great, they should be dominating.  They're actually high in many team offense categories.  They have two 1,000 yard receivers, a 1,000 yard rusher, a top TE in the league and Hurts while not as good as last year and has high turnovers, otherwise his stats are decent (leads the league in rushing TDs, total TDs, almost at 4,000 yards passing). Yet, the coaches are so bad at situational football and making horrible play calls and play designs, it's very odd.  They are scoring despite the coaches.

In 4 of their losses they scored less than 20 points, so that's an issue on offense but the defense not getting stops and time of possession and limited touches for the offense affects that.  The offense has had to win in shootouts and close games.  This offense was built to score a lot of points and have a lead, so that the defense could focus on pass rush.  They put all their eggs in that basket.  The defense is letting teams march down the field easily, giving up 3rd and long consistently, the worst team in the league on 3rd down, making backup QBs look like the MVP, and collapsing and giving up leads.

The Cardinals scored 35 points and the defense couldn't stop them all day.  The defense gave up the big drive against Seattle when the offense had the game won (despite Hurts being severely ill and almost didn't play).

The offense has problems, mostly with coaching. The defense is horrendous.  They're gassed and poorly coached and have absolute garbage at LB.

[RunItBAck]

6 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

We have a PRO BOWL roster on offense.  If we score as much as we should be scoring, we could allow 30 points a game on defense (still inexcusable) and still have a winning record.

 

Andy Reid with this exact personnel on offense would average 40 points per game.  There, I said it. 

Maybe an overrated QB has something to do with it?? 

[UK_EaglesFan89]

43 minutes ago, NOTW said:

The offense has problems, mostly with coaching. The defense is horrendous.  They're gassed and poorly coached and have absolute garbage at LB.

But the defense lacks talent so on that basis I can understand it more and justify why they have been so so bad.

[NOTW]

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

But the defense lacks talent so on that basis I can understand it more and justify why they have been so so bad.

A competent DC would at least manage it better.  Blitz more.  Press the receivers at the line more so they don't have EASY completions on short passes.  Recognize Bradberry is an absolute liability and bench him and go at least with young guys that aren't giving up.  Ricks and Ringo have better coverage stats than him.  Agree, they have garbage at LB and basically only 1 starting DE since BG is a backup rotational player now.  But the collapses have been horrendous.

And yes, if the offense did what it's supposed to do...but they scored 31 points against Arizona and the defense gave up 35 points in a dominance from one of the worst teams in the league.

[UK_EaglesFan89]

2 hours ago, NOTW said:

And yes, if the offense did what it's supposed to do...but they scored 31 points against Arizona and the defense gave up 35 points in a dominance from one of the worst teams in the league.

They actually only scored 24 and they had 2 three and out drives against a terrible defense. The Cards loss is mostly on the defense no doubt but this offense should be so much better.

[Swimm]

This year is an absolute failure by Howie. Brought in bad coach's, gave hurts a huge contract, awful drafting,  resigned too many aging declining players, while letting younger and better players go on defense.  Absolute mess. 

[opa-opa]

All i know is i refuse to watch any more games with Morrow starting at LB.

[RunItBAck]

12 hours ago, opa-opa said:

All i know is i refuse to watch any more games with Morrow starting at LB.

but he had some sacks in that one game bro

[Mat]

On 1/2/2024 at 11:45 PM, judunno said:

Someone broke down the ridiculous amount of snaps that they have already taken this year compared to last. The discrepancy is great. Especially when it comes to the rookie and 2nd year Davis. Even ancient Cox has taken a significant amount of snaps. Not being able to get off the field on 3rd down because of the LBs and Secondary took its toll. If you can't see that this isn't typical when they thrived with a rotation and keeping guys fresh over the years I don't know what to tell you.

I was also under the impression that Cox was playing a ton more snaps and guys like Williams weren't on the field enough. I went and looked up the numbers and if these are accurate my impression was wrong. 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi/2022-snap-counts.htm

2022 numbers ^

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi/2023-snap-counts.htm

2023 numbers ^

Williams has played 63% of the snaps twice this year, once was against the Cards last weekend. Cox has gone from about 64.5% last year to 62.5% this year. It's a slight dip but not ideal at his age. Hargrave played about 64.4% last year, this year they have Carter at about 48%, Davis at about 46% (up from 20.25%) and Williams at 43% (up from 35.7%). The main spike has been Sweat who is up from 53% to 74.5% with Graham dropping down from 42% to 33.3%. Reddick has had a slight increase 74% to 76.4%. 

Looking at those raw numbers the main issue with the rotation is Sweat. He is on the field far too much for him to be effective. He isn't a guy that can go out there and play 7 in 10 snaps

[JohnB]

On 1/2/2024 at 10:26 AM, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

The offense for me is the major concern. I know the defense has been awful but it also lacks a lot of talent and at key key positions. But the offense just has been so stale and it stalls every game for periods.

our offense has stalled for decades though. We can go back to the Reid era, which between 2001-2005 was pretty consistent and people wanted Reid's head because of bad playcalling, lack of wr's, bad coaching, etc. I guess all fanbases are like this. 

[E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles]

If I could get a question answered, it would be "why don't you feel that LBers are important?"  

[ToDie4Eagles]

[xxeaglesfanxx]

It might be after this debacle.

[Equinox]

Chatgpt AI could do a better job managing this team.

HOWIE has made a lot of dumb decisions that luck has bailed him out on. That luck is all gone.

[Road to Victory]

12 hours ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

If I could get a question answered, it would be "why don't you feel that LBers are important?"  

I can answer that for you. "We do feel they are important but in our scheme and organization we only have so much money to allocate to each position. We just can’t afford to prioritize every position equally.” 
 

Howie is going to spend money on the QB, both lines, CB. He doesn’t care about RB, LB and S. 

[UK_EaglesFan89]

3 hours ago, Road to Victory said:

Howie is going to spend money on the QB, both lines, CB. He doesn’t care about RB, LB and S. 

And do you know what… When you get it right at those positions more often than not you are going to be OK. Every team has flaws but if you get QB, the lines and CB right then you are going to be a very good team. But the DL doesn’t look good and CB has been a disaster.

[Blazehound]

4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

And do you know what… When you get it right at those positions more often than not you are going to be OK. Every team has flaws but if you get QB, the lines and CB right then you are going to be a very good team. But the DL doesn’t look good and CB has been a disaster.

Howie’s contract, talent and draft evaluation in the positions that they value on defense have been atrocious over the past decade.