EMB Blog: 2021 Offseason

[greend]

16 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

The big national media names and McLane. 

Thanks

[ManuManu]

 

[UK_EaglesFan89]

Just now, ManuManu said:

 

Well there it is. Confirmation that this guy can't stay healthy... Take him off the board! 😉

[Original Sin]

Per Pelissero 

Three quarterbacks likely will get drafted in Rounds 2 and 3, and a handful of teams have done extra legwork on them — a list that includes the #Bears, #Vikings, #Saints and #Bucs. @gmfb @nflnetwork

I’m guessing, Mills , Mond  and Trask

in order for me 

Mills 

Mond  , 1b

replace Trask with Franks 

[UK Eagle]

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Or he knows he won't get drafted high and doesn't want the Aaron Rodgers experience, and COVID is a convenient excuse to not go 😉

[austinfan]

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

 Since Roseman was restored to power as GM in 2016, the Eagles have drafted 36 players. Only two of the 36 have started 16 games in a season: Carson Wentz in 2016 and 2019 and Isaac Seumalo in 2019.

 

Only two bad picks the last five years, Jones and JJAW (and Campbell has been no better, oh, he was injured, wait, that's not applicable to Eagle picks?).

Dillard was injured, would have started otherwise.

Anything after pick 100, I only count hits because the miss rate is so high. You can cherry pick the "hits" we missed if you pass over all the other misses.

2016:  Wentz, Seumalo starters, but 6 picks after #150, 4 with significant PT, Smallwood, Vaitai, Mills, Walker

2017:  Barnett starter, Jones whiff, Douglas about normal for #99, 5 picks #118+, Gerry decent backup who never should have started

2018:  Goedert started, 4 picks 125+, Mailata starter, Sweat top reserve/potential starter, Maddox and Pryor backups

2019:  Dillard ???, Sanders starter, JJAW whiff, 2 picks #138+

2020:  Reagor, Hurts will start this year, 8 picks after #100, Wallace, Driscoll have chance to start, Taylor, Watkins, Bradley???

11 picks in the top 100, 5 starters, 2 will start this year, 1 potential starter (Dillard). That's not exactly horrid drafting.

After 100, it's a crapshoot, and the Eagles have hit on Mailata, Sweat, maybe Driscoll, Wallace, and top reserves like Vaitai, Mills.

Notice they have 4 in the top 100 this year, 5 next year before they start trading. If they hit on 6 of 9 and a couple third day picks, that's a solid foundation for a rebuild.

[ManuManu]

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

 

Only two bad picks the last five years, Jones and JJAW (and Campbell has been no better, oh, he was injured, wait, that's not applicable to Eagle picks?).

Dillard was injured, would have started otherwise.

Anything after pick 100, I only count hits because the miss rate is so high. You can cherry pick the "hits" we missed if you pass over all the other misses.

2016:  Wentz, Seumalo starters, but 6 picks after #150, 4 with significant PT, Smallwood, Vaitai, Mills, Walker

2017:  Barnett starter, Jones whiff, Douglas about normal for #99, 5 picks #118+, Gerry decent backup who never should have started

2018:  Goedert started, 4 picks 125+, Mailata starter, Sweat top reserve/potential starter, Maddox and Pryor backups

2019:  Dillard ???, Sanders starter, JJAW whiff, 2 picks #138+

2020:  Reagor, Hurts will start this year, 8 picks after #100, Wallace, Driscoll have chance to start, Taylor, Watkins, Bradley???

11 picks in the top 100, 5 starters, 2 will start this year, 1 potential starter (Dillard). That's not exactly horrid drafting.

After 100, it's a crapshoot, and the Eagles have hit on Mailata, Sweat, maybe Driscoll, Wallace, and top reserves like Vaitai, Mills.

Notice they have 4 in the top 100 this year, 5 next year before they start trading. If they hit on 6 of 9 and a couple third day picks, that's a solid foundation for a rebuild.

Minimal impact. No difference makers. 

[UK Eagle]

When was the last time the Eagles drafted a difference maker on D? Whether it be DT, DE. LB. 

When did the Eagles draft a DE capable of a single or multiple 10 sack season?

When was the last time the Eagles drafted a skill position play maker on O that made an impact?

There is a big hole in the roster between the likes of Cox, Graham and Lane Johnson to Wentz, Barnett, etc.  What does that indicate?  A broken process.

[Original Sin]

Quite the athlete 

 

[Ipiggles]

4 minutes ago, austinfan said:

 

Only two bad picks the last five years, Jones and JJAW (and Campbell has been no better, oh, he was injured, wait, that's not applicable to Eagle picks?).

Dillard was injured, would have started otherwise.

Anything after pick 100, I only count hits because the miss rate is so high. You can cherry pick the "hits" we missed if you pass over all the other misses.

2016:  Wentz, Seumalo starters, but 6 picks after #150, 4 with significant PT, Smallwood, Vaitai, Mills, Walker

2017:  Barnett starter, Jones whiff, Douglas about normal for #99, 5 picks #118+, Gerry decent backup who never should have started

2018:  Goedert started, 4 picks 125+, Mailata starter, Sweat top reserve/potential starter, Maddox and Pryor backups

2019:  Dillard ???, Sanders starter, JJAW whiff, 2 picks #138+

2020:  Reagor, Hurts will start this year, 8 picks after #100, Wallace, Driscoll have chance to start, Taylor, Watkins, Bradley???

11 picks in the top 100, 5 starters, 2 will start this year, 1 potential starter (Dillard). That's not exactly horrid drafting.

After 100, it's a crapshoot, and the Eagles have hit on Mailata, Sweat, maybe Driscoll, Wallace, and top reserves like Vaitai, Mills.

Notice they have 4 in the top 100 this year, 5 next year before they start trading. If they hit on 6 of 9 and a couple third day picks, that's a solid foundation for a rebuild.

The issue is while these guys will start or may start on our really bad team, they would not be starters on most teams. Our starting bar is extremely low right now.  We have had almost zero impact players and only a handful of ok players

 

Seumalo - good pick

Barnett, Goedert, Sanders are OK

Sweat? still unproven

Hurts? Below OK

Mailata- a tone of upside still a ? 

Reagor, Dillard, Driscoll? Seriously unproven and so far not promising because injuries. 

Wentz- was the only home run, and HOWIE himself screwed that one up. 

If this is what you think is decent , I would hate to see what you think is bad. We have two different grading systems to be sure. 

 

 

[aptosbird]

1 hour ago, greend said:

Can anyone tell me who to follow on twitter to get the info of  who the pick is before it's announced? No I won't post it on here if that's what the "majority" wants.

lol...you mean the "loudest". I remember getting the early picks off of a YouTube channel last year. 

[austinfan]

26 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Minimal impact. No difference makers. 

How many teams drafting where the Eagles have drafted have added "difference makers."

By definition, only a small number were drafted (or every starter is a difference maker).

2016: Bosa DE #3, Elliott? #4, Ramsey #5, Tunsil #13, Kelly C #18, Jones DT #37, Howard CB #38, Henry RB #45, Thomas WR #47, Prescott QB #135, Judon DE #146, Hill WR #165

2017:  Garrett DE #1, Adams S #6, McCaffery RB #8, Mahomes QB #10, Lattimore CB #11, Watson QB #12, Humphrey CB #16, White CB #27, Watt OLB #30, Baker S #36, Smith-Schuster WR #62, Kamara RB #67, E Jackson S #112, Kittle TE #146

2018:  Mayfield QB #1, Nelson G #6, Allen QB #7, Fitzpatrick S #11, Edmunds LB #16, Ridley WR #26, Chubb RB #35, Leonard LB #36, Brown OT #83, Andrews TE #86

Most of the picks from 2018-2020 are still in the "unknown category."

 

[TorontoEagle]

2 hours ago, Original Sin said:

Kid can play , and is creative 

Creative? Didn't Odell do this exact same celebration, to the Eagles in fact? 

[toughfighter83]

24 minutes ago, austinfan said:

How many teams drafting where the Eagles have drafted have added "difference makers."

By definition, only a small number were drafted (or every starter is a difference maker).

2016: Bosa DE #3, Elliott? #4, Ramsey #5, Tunsil #13, Kelly C #18, Jones DT #37, Howard CB #38, Henry RB #45, Thomas WR #47, Prescott QB #135, Judon DE #146, Hill WR #165

2017:  Garrett DE #1, Adams S #6, McCaffery RB #8, Mahomes QB #10, Lattimore CB #11, Watson QB #12, Humphrey CB #16, White CB #27, Watt OLB #30, Baker S #36, Smith-Schuster WR #62, Kamara RB #67, E Jackson S #112, Kittle TE #146

2018:  Mayfield QB #1, Nelson G #6, Allen QB #7, Fitzpatrick S #11, Edmunds LB #16, Ridley WR #26, Chubb RB #35, Leonard LB #36, Brown OT #83, Andrews TE #86

Most of the picks from 2018-2020 are still in the "unknown category."

 

that's why the draft is so difficult to predict not unless you are in the top 5 or you trade for top 5 talents. unfortunately this year alot of teams were bad we didnt get a top 5 pick.

[TorontoEagle]

It's funny, looking at the top 10, it looks like the same teams that are picking in that range every year. And they'll likely screw it up again. Atlanta and Cincy should go Sewell and Slater, if they were serious about rebuilding. It seems more likely they'll go Pitts and Chase though, and guess what, they'll be picking in the top 10 probably 5-6 more times before 2030. It's insane to me that the blue print for building a team has always been start with the lines, yet these terrible teams spit in the face of that logic and go for flash. 

[eagle45]

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

 

Only two bad picks the last five years, Jones and JJAW (and Campbell has been no better, oh, he was injured, wait, that's not applicable to Eagle picks?).

Dillard was injured, would have started otherwise.

Anything after pick 100, I only count hits because the miss rate is so high. You can cherry pick the "hits" we missed if you pass over all the other misses.

2016:  Wentz, Seumalo starters, but 6 picks after #150, 4 with significant PT, Smallwood, Vaitai, Mills, Walker

2017:  Barnett starter, Jones whiff, Douglas about normal for #99, 5 picks #118+, Gerry decent backup who never should have started

2018:  Goedert started, 4 picks 125+, Mailata starter, Sweat top reserve/potential starter, Maddox and Pryor backups

2019:  Dillard ???, Sanders starter, JJAW whiff, 2 picks #138+

2020:  Reagor, Hurts will start this year, 8 picks after #100, Wallace, Driscoll have chance to start, Taylor, Watkins, Bradley???

11 picks in the top 100, 5 starters, 2 will start this year, 1 potential starter (Dillard). That's not exactly horrid drafting.

After 100, it's a crapshoot, and the Eagles have hit on Mailata, Sweat, maybe Driscoll, Wallace, and top reserves like Vaitai, Mills.

Notice they have 4 in the top 100 this year, 5 next year before they start trading. If they hit on 6 of 9 and a couple third day picks, that's a solid foundation for a rebuild.

Every team in the nfl fields 22 starters.  If that’s the mark of a good player addition, then I suppose 32 GMs are tied for #1 in the nfl.

[RememberTheKoy]

1 hour ago, UK Eagle said:

When was the last time the Eagles drafted a difference maker on D? Whether it be DT, DE. LB. 

When did the Eagles draft a DE capable of a single or multiple 10 sack season?

When was the last time the Eagles drafted a skill position play maker on O that made an impact?

There is a big hole in the roster between the likes of Cox, Graham and Lane Johnson to Wentz, Barnett, etc.  What does that indicate?  A broken process.

 

Jordan Hicks 2015 but that was a Chip pick. 

 

 

As for offense you could say Sanders or Goedert. 

[mattmcginley7]

24 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Creative? Didn't Odell do this exact same celebration, to the Eagles in fact? 

Metcalf did it. He's from Ole Miss. That's what that was about 

[greend]

57 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

lol...you mean the "loudest". I remember getting the early picks off of a YouTube channel last year. 

Thanks for the tip

[bpac55]

30 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Creative? Didn't Odell do this exact same celebration, to the Eagles in fact? 

Not to sound like a grump here but what's the point of that tweet?  The ref did his job and penalized a college player for celebrating when there are rules in place that clearly state excessive celebration is a penalty.  

Imagine being the ref getting judged for doing his job 100% the right way.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

 Since Roseman was restored to power as GM in 2016, the Eagles have drafted 36 players. Only two of the 36 have started 16 games in a season: Carson Wentz in 2016 and 2019 and Isaac Seumalo in 2019.

While he was drafting atrociously he was also ruining our cap situation.  He does nothing well.

[Alphagrand]

27 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

It's funny, looking at the top 10, it looks like the same teams that are picking in that range every year. And they'll likely screw it up again. Atlanta and Cincy should go Sewell and Slater, if they were serious about rebuilding. It seems more likely they'll go Pitts and Chase though, and guess what, they'll be picking in the top 10 probably 5-6 more times before 2030. It's insane to me that the blue print for building a team has always been start with the lines, yet these terrible teams spit in the face of that logic and go for flash. 

Funny, I was listening to Ryan Leaf and Alex Marvez last night on NFL Radio and they made a couple of interesting points:

— CIN would be crazy not to go OL with the #5 pick; neither of them believe Chase will be the pick there 

— Leaf figures Horn and Surtain will go #7 and 8 to DET and CAR.  DEN at #9 is also in dire need of a CB

[EricAllenPick6]

I'm reading a few reports that Micah Parsons is falling and he may be available later than we previously thought.  Thoughts on Parsons?  The 'off-the-field' issues sound like maybe a lack of maturity, so that's a concern.  Still, we're at 12 now, we could trade back a few spots, get an extra pick and still land the top linebacker in this class?  Hell yes. 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

 

Only two bad picks the last five years,

 

This is what an apologist looks like

[EricAllenPick6]

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Funny, I was listening to Ryan Leaf and Alex Marvez last night on NFL Radio and they made a couple of interesting points:

— CIN would be crazy not to go OL with the #5 pick; neither of them believe Chase will be the pick there 

— Leaf figures Horn and Surtain will go #7 and 8 to DET and CAR.  DEN at #9 is also in dire need of a CB

Interesting.  

So who falls?  Sounds like it's possible Chase could fall to us?