11 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

 

What are the massage parlors like in Philly? Classy joints?

 

For real though, this would be a smart move if Hurts fizzles and it doesn't cost a king's ransom of picks.

11 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

My top questions for the 2021 season for which I am hopeful about the answers:

1. Can Smith translate his SEC dominance to the NFL?

2. Can Reagor show us the explosion he had in college and be a dangerous deep threat as the #2 WR?

3.  Can Dillard/Mailata prove that was are set at OL and be the bookends of the future?

4.  Can Milton Williams play to his unique talent, be a pass rushing presence, and show that he is a young building block on a DL desperately in need of a young puzzle piece?

5.  Can another WR (Watkins, I’m looking at you) step up and earn a disruptive role as the #3 so we can stop overusing Ward?

6.  While there will be a rough road ahead in the immediate future, can we find some long-term pieces out of our unique melting pot of UDFA LBs, DEs turned LBs, safeties turned LBs, and athletic LBs still learning to play football?

 

Key questions to which I am not hopeful about the answers:

1. Can Jalen Hurts be a high end passer in the NFL?

2. Can the vets on our OL stay healthy?

3. Will a young player in our secondary step up as a long term piece to the puzzle?

All these answers and more next season... same bat time, on the same bat channel 

4 hours ago, eagle45 said:

I'm all for throwing everything against a wall to see what sticks on defense until they figure out a QB/OL/weapons...since that's what takes real time to build and mold.

So that's fine, but most likely...disaster.  You can't just have a positionless sludge of a back 7.  What sounds like great flexibility turns into a reverse matchup nightmare where offenses just pick you apart.  You end up with no one up front who can shed a block or tackle and no one deep in the secondary who can hang with a WR.

One player like Stevens who transitions between two levels of the defense is fine.  But that means we don't need more of them.

Wallace is a defensive back.  He better be able to cover WRs...otherwise he's a liability.  Milton Williams, a favorite of mine, needs to develop into a terror rushing the QB.  Otherwise, he's useless too.  In this passing NFL, no one needs a 285lb run stopping DE, nor does anyone need a light in the pants 285lb DT unless he's a relentless interior pass rush presence.  Johnson is like Avery...DE turned LB.  If they can't diagnose a play and take a good angle, then they are useless too.

Versatility is nice for seldom used backups, but at some point, you need people who can fill a role and play.  Someone has to reliably pressure the QB, someone has to hang with WRs on every play, someone has to take angles to the play and make tackles around the LOS.  Too many tweeners leaves you with 0 players who can do any of those things.

Agreed.

The problem with hybrid players is that they’re usually tweeners rather than unicorns. Everyone in their head thinks "covers like a corner, hits like a LB” when the reality is usually "covers like a LB, hits like a corner.” 

If you can find a handful of unicorns, yeah, having a bunch of freaks works out great. But, realistically, the guys who have the physical talent to do this are exceedingly rare, and then when you ask them to have more than one position’s skill set you’re basically asking for a hall of famer.

Thinking of the closest thing to this type of player, the name that jumps out at me is Brian Dawkins. And even then, Dawkins could maybe cover like an average corner in man... and then, only in the first 5 years or so of his career. Then he added some muscle and transitioned to more of an in the box safety towards the end of his career.

So even for one of the all time greats, who actually could do all these things, he wasn’t even able to do them all at the same time. It was an evolution of his game that took place over a dozen or so years.

4 hours ago, TorontoEagle said:

I mean I'm excited about Smith. I was on the fence about him leading up to the draft, mainly because of his size. But he has stayed healthy so far, so who knows.

But as a prospect, he completely dominated last year, beyond just Jordan Matthews type stat padding. He looked like one of the best players in the league, if not the best. For the first time in a long time, he's a first round pick that we have, where everything about his profile suggests he should succeed at the NFL level, even with his limitations. Again, I completely understand being concerned about his size, it's logical and valid. But everything else about him screams out great prospect. So sue me if I'm excited for that guy to be on our team. I feel like we haven't had a prospect like this since, Lane? Even then, maybe going back to Cox? 

Agreed 100%!

To get a consensus top guy like this without getting cute in the 1st round is great. It probably actually is 2012-2013 with Johnson and Cox since the Eagles last selected the top consensus player that was a can't miss prospect. Obviously we had Wentz in 2016 who spectacularly soared in 2017 before eventually crashing and burning for us. In other years we often picked fairly late so it's tougher to get prospects like that.

As far as whether Smith can translate his success, time and time again, given at least 4.45 speed, I've seen draft picks that already do well with route running have immediate success. Unless coaching has a huge meltdown, I could see Smith having a bigger season than Jefferson did last season.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Degenerate gamblers. 

 

This doesn’t tell you much, really. Could be smart money.

Think of it more like an option position than a bet. Someone like this could easily lay the bet on another book and arbitrage it. Or simply wait a few games into the season hoping for an early string of wins to then close the position for a profit. 

11 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

What are the massage parlors like in Philly? Classy joints?

 

For real though, this would be a smart move if Hurts fizzles and it doesn't cost a king's ransom of picks.

I got a massage under the Ben Franklin bridge once 

6 minutes ago, TEW said:

Agreed.

The problem with hybrid players is that they’re usually tweeners rather than unicorns. Everyone in their head thinks "covers like a corner, hits like a LB” when the reality is usually "covers like a LB, hits like a corner.” 

If you can find a handful of unicorns, yeah, having a bunch of freaks works out great. But, realistically, the guys who have the physical talent to do this are exceedingly rare, and then when you ask them to have more than one position’s skill set you’re basically asking for a hall of famer.

Thinking of the closest thing to this type of player, the name that jumps out at me is Brian Dawkins. And even then, Dawkins could maybe cover like an average corner in man... and then, only in the first 5 years or so of his career. Then he added some muscle and transitioned to more of an in the box safety towards the end of his career.

So even for one of the all time greats, who actually could do all these things, he wasn’t even able to do them all at the same time. It was an evolution of his game that took place over a dozen or so years.

And that’s where the art and fun in being an armchair GM begins.  With limited resources, everyone has their own preferences for where they’d invest in that unicorn versus where they’d simply settle for a good player, versus where they are fine getting by with spare parts and tweener projects.

Yo! When does Foles make his arrival? 
 

Super Bowl MVP >>> got benched in college championship 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

And that’s where the art and fun in being an armchair GM begins.  With limited resources, everyone has their own preferences for where they’d invest in that unicorn versus where they’d simply settle for a good player, versus where they are fine getting by with spare parts and tweener projects.

Honestly, this is why I’m always looking for the unicorns. I’m more than willing to strike out a lot as long as I’m hitting a lot of home runs.

Difference makers in the NFL are really, really rare. Replacement level players are common. Give me the guy with the athletic profile to dominate at one position, and I’ll take the risk on other things. It just doesn’t make sense to me to draft guys who you know don’t have the physical gifts to be special, even if it’s only in a particular role like 3rd down RB or pass rushing specialist.

27 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

My top questions for the 2021 season for which I am hopeful about the answers:

1. Can Smith translate his SEC dominance to the NFL?

2. Can Reagor show us the explosion he had in college and be a dangerous deep threat as the #2 WR?

3.  Can Dillard/Mailata prove that was are set at OL and be the bookends of the future?

4.  Can Milton Williams play to his unique talent, be a pass rushing presence, and show that he is a young building block on a DL desperately in need of a young puzzle piece?

5.  Can another WR (Watkins, I’m looking at you) step up and earn a disruptive role as the #3 so we can stop overusing Ward?

6.  While there will be a rough road ahead in the immediate future, can we find some long-term pieces out of our unique melting pot of UDFA LBs, DEs turned LBs, safeties turned LBs, and athletic LBs still learning to play football?

 

Key questions to which I am not hopeful about the answers:

1. Can Jalen Hurts be a high end passer in the NFL?

2. Can the vets on our OL stay healthy?

3. Will a young player in our secondary step up as a long term piece to the puzzle?

I’m just going to answer/give my meaningless opinion for 1 and 2 

1. I honestly think Hurts holds him back. Think he’d put up better numbers with Flacco. Yeah... that’s how highly I think of Hurts. 
 

2. Reagor = Agholor. I hope he surprises me and becomes a less injured Maclin but I don’t have high hopes. 

14 minutes ago, TEW said:

This doesn’t tell you much, really. Could be smart money.

Think of it more like an option position than a bet. Someone like this could easily lay the bet on another book and arbitrage it. Or simply wait a few games into the season hoping for an early string of wins to then close the position for a profit. 

You honestly believe the Jets with a rookie QB and rookie HC are winning a super bowl? I believe the Jets would be lucky to win 6-7 games next year let alone a SB. This isn’t the 2017 eagles. They added talent and still massively devoid of talent with rookie QB and rookie HC 

33 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Yo! When does Foles make his arrival? 
 

Super Bowl MVP >>> got benched in college championship 

Bet you a frosty coke Foles is a NY Jets player by training camp.

Eagles already have a Super Bowl MVP as their backup QB.

3 hours ago, austinfan said:

Not sure if it's 3-4 or more going back to Jimmy Johnson, who took Emmons from the Steeler 3-4 and turned him into a first rate SLB who could play 3 downs.

A lot of 4-3 teams will line the SLB on the LOS at times in what is almost a 5-2, have him jam the TE.

Simmons was elite in coverage. I'm not seeing these guys in that mold, they're more of outside pass rushers imo and he was much bigger than these guys. I was originally thinking maybe Zaven  Collins would be a Carlos type backer due to his coverage skills and size 

Please stop the Hurts and Tebow comparisons

This looks like a really good channel I just happened across last night. Its JT O'Sullivan breaking down QB film. I just watched a shorter video on Howell from when he was a true freshman vs Clemson. I clicked on his channel to see what other prospects he has vids on, and saw this one on Hurts. Probably a good watch.

 

14 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Please stop the Hurts and Tebow comparisons

Their first four games as starters are extremely comparable from a numbers standpoint. 

2 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Their first four games as starters are extremely comparable from a numbers standpoint. 

Shhhhh let the Hurts people dream for a few more months

 

1 hour ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I’m just going to answer/give my meaningless opinion for 1 and 2 

1. I honestly think Hurts holds him back. Think he’d put up better numbers with Flacco. Yeah... that’s how highly I think of Hurts. 
 

2. Reagor = Agholor. I hope he surprises me and becomes a less injured Maclin but I don’t have high hopes. 

Ouch. That's how you feel about him?

12 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Ouch. That's how you feel about him?

Agholor isn’t horrible. He was overdrafted but is ultimately going to have a respectable career 

76ers magic number for their first division title since 2001 and homecourt throughout the eastern conference playoffs down to 

 

1 hour ago, Swoop said:

Their first four games as starters are extremely comparable from a numbers standpoint. 

No, they're actually not.

Reagor has a lot of work ahead of him if he's to reach Agholor status. And I'm not an Agholor fan.

3 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Reagor has a lot of work ahead of him if he's to reach Agholor status. And I'm not an Agholor fan.

One single solitary 800-yard receiving season would do it.  He already dwarfed Agholor’s supposed PR abilities with one touch last season.

8 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Reagor has a lot of work ahead of him if he's to reach Agholor status. And I'm not an Agholor fan.

 

i actually like Greg Lewis even more cause of this.