33 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don't think its going to be anywhere near as bad as it was in 2020. Dallas and Washington are both improved. NY still kinda sucks but they have some decent talent and are getting Barkley back.

Dallas has big questions on the o-line.  They invested heavily on defense but I don't think that means they are necessarily improved.  Dan Quinn's defense depends upon good secondary and safety play.  They didn't address those positions early in the draft.  Dak coming back should help but I don't think they were a d-coordinator away from being a playoff team.  Also Mike McCarthy doesn't seem like he's a capable coach.  

The Giants should be better and I think if Daniel Jones turns out to be good they could have the best team in the division.  If Daniel Jones turns out to be a turnover machine JAG then I don't think there's enough talent to win. 

The Redskins have the best defense in the division.  They have very good skill players on offense. They could ride a combo of Fitzpatrick and Heinecke to the division title.  Their o-line, however, is kind of meh. They added Cosmi and they got some surprising play out of some veterans but I think there's still big questions with their OTs.  

Also, the Eagles have improved too.  

6 hours ago, bpac55 said:

This article about Dickerson is as interesting as it is frustrating to read. 

This made me laugh harder than it should have.  This Dr. must have no idea about the Eagles:

The good news there is that will be addressed with a professional medical and training staff, according to Flynn.

"Hopefully now that he's getting in with an NFL training staff and really knows his body a little bit better after going through all these injuries it's something he can turn around in the pros," she speculated.

Then you have this from Howie:

"We want to take chances"

"We know it’s a risk," said Roseman on drafting Dickerson, "but we think it’s a risk worth taking."

So here's where I want to punch Howie in the face.  Not to revisit the JJAW over DK pick but if they want to take chances, if there ever was a player you take a chance on it's DK.  I'm still more bothered by taking JJAW than passing on DK.  I've said it time and time again on here, I don't believe then 2nd round is where you take chances on players.  Round 2 you should be finding fringe 1st round talent that can step in and play right away or at least be a heavy contributor  Dickerson may very well do that but again, it's an unnecessary risk and a continued trend of Howie's drafting style.  Ignore the more sure thing players in then 2nd round and use the 2nd round as a complete lottery ticket.  Howie throws away 2nd round picks like they are 7th round comp picks.  It's maddening.
 

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/eagles/news/sports-medicine-doc-on-landon-dickerson-let-the-graft-heal

Same trends whether it's Douglas or Weidl here 

12 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

 

Dallas has big questions on the o-line.  They invested heavily on defense but I don't think that means they are necessarily improved.  Dan Quinn's defense depends upon good secondary and safety play.  They didn't address those positions early in the draft.  Dak coming back should help but I don't think they were a d-coordinator away from being a playoff team.  Also Mike McCarthy doesn't seem like he's a capable coach.  

The Giants should be better and I think if Daniel Jones turns out to be good they could have the best team in the division.  If Daniel Jones turns out to be a turnover machine JAG then I don't think there's enough talent to win. 

The Redskins have the best defense in the division.  They have very good skill players on offense. They could ride a combo of Fitzpatrick and Heinecke to the division title.  Their o-line, however, is kind of meh. They added Cosmi and they got some surprising play out of some veterans but I think there's still big questions with their OTs.  

Also, the Eagles have improved too.  

Where?

QB - lets call it a push, because who knows

RB- 2021, slightly

WR- 2021 I guess, still unproven

TE - 2020

OL - push unless you want to count every injured guy being healthy. I'm not confident in that.

DE - 2020

DT - 2020

LB - 2021, maybe? But they lost some depth.

CB - 2020

S - 2020

I think every other NFCE team has improved more over the offseason, which was my expectations anyway. We aren't trying to short term this and get slightly better for 2021, its about building to 2022/2023

5 hours ago, toolg said:

I think so. The Watson to Philly thing is probably just fodder for sports talk media. I have no idea why the Eagles would be interested.

Because Howie/Jeff. That's all the reason needed 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Answer:

Is he playing rock, paper scissors with that Washington football teams foot?? 

57 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

How is there not a crypto thread in Whats up?  It would be nice to discuss getting rich with other people.

What's a crypto? 

20 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Lance isn’t better than Wentz coming out. Both were under experienced against lesser opponents. Lance threw for more than 200 yards three times.  JMU held him to 72 yards passing.  He barely beat them and did so with his feet.  We are talking the Missouri Valley Football Conference.  Only two schools in the conference with more than 20,000 students. Most are the size of NDSU, around 12,000.  Name the last starting NFL defensive back from that conference. That’s the type of conference where teams in conferences like the Big 10, the Big 12 etc. get there non conference warmup games where they beat the snot out of the little conference teams.  The Bison’s big school opponent that Lance played against?  UC-Davis.  I thought Wentz was a gamble and I think Lance is a gamble.  

Personally, I think this was a bad QB class year and said it regularly.  Wilson was good in 2020 but the Covid thing impacted a lot of teams. He was not very good in 2019.  Didn’t play against a lot of talented backfields this year.  Lance had a strong showing in 2019 but opted out after one game this past season but he is extremely green.  Fields had a couple of good years at OSU. Same knocks on him as on Hurts but I do think he has a better arm. Alabama offense translates better to the NFL than OSU’s.    Not a fan of any of them.  Wasn’t a huge fan of Hurts either. Like Lance and Fields, he ran too much in college but that is the college game.  Second in the Heisman voting his last year.  Like Russell Wilson (another graduate student transfer), got his degree and transferred.  Got his degree in three years.  So yeah, with the information on him from Bama and the Sooners, I think he would have been selected higher in 2021 and I think he has a chance to be a better QB than the first round QBs this year.  Burrows and Herbert are better than any QB this year.  Lawrence may be better than Tua.  I am not sold on Love but liked him more than I liked Wilson.  

Burrows 2018 and then Burrows 2019

Wilson 2019 and then Wilson 2020

Wilson looks the part to me, nifty and can improvise on a dime not to mention a great arm. 2020 wasn’t his fault. He will be a major headache for defenses

2 minutes ago, The guy in France said:

Wilson looks the part to me, nifty and can improvise on a dime not to mention a great arm. 2020 wasn’t his fault. He will be a major headache for defenses

He's capable of throws that few QBs are. The angles he can throw from are really impressive. 

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Where?

QB - lets call it a push, because who knows

RB- 2021, slightly

WR- 2021 I guess, still unproven

TE - 2020

OL - push unless you want to count every injured guy being healthy. I'm not confident in that.

DE - 2020

DT - 2020

LB - 2021, maybe? But they lost some depth.

CB - 2020

S - 2020

I think every other NFCE team has improved more over the offseason, which was my expectations anyway. We aren't trying to short term this and get slightly better for 2021, its about building to 2022/2023

Not sure I would say losing Duke Riley & Nate Gerry is really going to make much of a difference. LB can’t get much worse than it was last year. It will be interesting to see which of the tweener LBs make it, if any or several. You have Johnson, Avery, and Stevens there so who knows. Wilson is better than Gerry & Riley IMO. It all comes down to if Bradley, Taylor, etc can make 2nd year leaps.

55 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Define "bust" in relation to Hurts.  He'll certainly be exciting to watch running around causing broken plays, but is that really going to make him a successful QB?  If he's all that and we still lose, is that a bust?  I agree that neither will be a franchise QB in the end, but I would certainly take Tua's pocket and arm skills over Hurts.

If he does not improve on 46% completions in the second half, and points on less than 10% of second half possessions, he will be a bust.

2 minutes ago, eaglesflyers#1 said:

Not sure I would say losing Duke Riley & Nate Gerry is really going to make much of a difference. LB can’t get much worse than it was last year. It will be interesting to see which of the tweener LBs make it, if any or several. You have Johnson, Avery, and Stevens there so who knows. Wilson is better than Gerry & Riley IMO. It all comes down to if Bradley, Taylor, etc can make 2nd year leaps.

Yea, and i'm terrified seeing Taylor playing any snaps unless he makes a big leap

58 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

If the OL stays relatively healthy, we should be able to run the ball effectively.  I don't see us being able to stop anyone, unless our DL becomes a top 5 unit.  The newness of schemes on both sides may buy us a win or two early in the season.

Most didn't really have big expectations entering 2017.  Then it clicked.

I had higher expectations then most entering 2017. I thought they could be a 10-11 win team if Carson took the steps to being a franchise QB. They were 7-9 but really when lane was healthy they were like 5-1 so added weapons i thought they’d be able to make a 3 win improvement if Carson became the QB we hoped. I did t expect a SB but i thought 10-11 wins were realistic. 

Last year i thought they were a 7-8 win team entering the year. when they lost Brooks earlier in the offseason i really felt closer to 7-9. This year i just don’t think the defense is going to be good, rookie HC, rookie Dc, unknown at QB and relying on a ton of guys to just bounce back. I think they are a 7-10 or 6-11 team. 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

TBH.  I have been saying since it happened, that is why we traded down from 6 to 12 and got the additional 2022 1st.  I seriously thought then and still do, that they intend to use some of that draft capital in 2022, to get Watson.  People wondered why they traded down from 6 to 12 that far in advance of the draft.  It’s because they were hoping the Watson thing would be worked out by then.  Obviously that didn’t happen.  I still believe they make a hard run at him.  Gun to my head and if I had to chose which team he’d be on in 2022 between Philly and Houston.   I pick Philly.  
 

Houston’s asking price is diminishing as time goes on.   If Lowie really wanted him, they’d be wise to slow play it like they have.  

That’s how I’ve felt. I think howie would trade for him right now if he’s want to come here and didn’t have his legal mess he’s dealing with. I’m not sure before the whole massage incidents that he would want to come here since he has a NTC. But i don’t think the rumors howie would give up a lot to get him (prior to the massage incidents) is incorrect. I think lurie and howie would do that for a talent at QB they see as a top 10 QB in the league. They gave up 2 firsts to Move up to get an unproven Carson wentz. So i don’t think if that was what was asked they’d have balked at it prior to his legal battles. 

Just looking at the teams we play and I'm not even sure we will be favored in more than a game or two. We are going to be home dogs to KC, TB, LA, SF unless something drastic happens. NO is a toss up, NFCE I don't think we should be but maybe 1 or two there. On the road there is only the Jets and that depends on where at in the season that game is. Maybe an outside chance of road favorites in Den or Car.

1 hour ago, Khani1 said:

How is there not a crypto thread in Whats up?  It would be nice to discuss getting rich with other people.

Yep , I have been buying crypto since 2015 , mainly monero, Bitcoin  and zcash , few others 

90 % of them are garbage though , no future 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Just looking at the teams we play and I'm not even sure we will be favored in more than a game or two. We are going to be home dogs to KC, TB, LA, SF unless something drastic happens. NO is a toss up, NFCE I don't think we should be but maybe 1 or two there. On the road there is only the Jets and that depends on where at in the season that game is. Maybe an outside chance of road favorites in Den or Car.

Denver and Carolina depends on lock and darnold. Carolina if they can keep up darnold should be able to score points with mccaffrey, Hubbard, Moore, Anderson and Marshall. 
Denver game is in Denver so cross country travel and the altitude, I’d take Denver and it might be bridgewater by that point

2 hours ago, bpac55 said:

where did you see this?  The Ostman hype all began when he was training as the Joker.

 

Per Adam Caplan.  

 

9 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

If the OL stays relatively healthy, we should be able to run the ball effectively.  I don't see us being able to stop anyone, unless our DL becomes a top 5 unit.  The newness of schemes on both sides may buy us a win or two early in the season.

Most didn't really have big expectations entering 2017.  Then it clicked.

People were saying SB after week 1 lol

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Where?

QB - lets call it a push, because who knows

RB- 2021

WR- 2021 I guess, still unproven

TE - 2020

OL - push unless you want to count every injured guy being healthy. I'm not confident in that.

DE - 2020

DT - 2020

LB - 2021, maybe? But they lost some depth.

CB - 2020

S - 2020

I think every other NFCE team has improved more over the offseason, which was my expectations anyway. We aren't trying to short term this and get slightly better for 2021, its about building to 2022/2023

Every roster and season is a projection.  I mean saying Dallas is improved means you are projecting improvement from returning injured players or new players.

Fitzmagic in Washington may not be that great.  He has 3 career games against the Vikings and completed under 60% of his passes.  He let Miami to a 16-12 win against Indy in 2019.  I mean he's not facing Jim Schwartz in Philly anymore. Washington was a QB away from being a decent playoff contender.  I don't think Fitzpatrick or Heinecke are necessarily upgrades for them. 

Dallas adding Micah Parsons  is not as significant as if they added Surtain or Horn.  He just won't have that kind of impact on their defense for them. Dak's return from the ankle injury isn't a sure thing. I mean McNabb had a less severe injury and really took more than a year to regain his mobility.  Arguably, he wasn't ever the same rushing threat after his ankle fracture.

Devonta Smith was a top 10 value on the offense.  He plays in a position of value in terms of wins above replacement. https://www.pff.com/news/draft-why-positional-value-matters-in-the-nfl-draft  If you don't think he has a chance to significantly improve a team that's leading WR was a UDFA with under 600 yards, then I think we would disagree on his draft value.  

The Giants added a receiver but Toney is probably more of a project for them.  They have a pretty mediocre WR room.  Their big FA signing, Golladay, is coming off of a string of leg injuries that were season ending.  Daniel Jones has to improve his play.  

16 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Yep , I have been buying crypto since 2015 , mainly monero, Bitcoin  and zcash , few others 

90 % of them are garbage though , no future 

I rolled all of my 401k into something called a dog coin.  Was that good? 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think bust when referring to them can mean different things based off where you took them and expectations of what they could or should be. For tua it would be out of the league after his rookie contract or just a backup. Hurts, i think if is a backup isn’t a bust. The expectation by most was he was a fringe starter or backup. To me if tua becomes a backup he’s a bust. 

I’ve really never been overly impressed with tua. His injury makes me scared even more. I don’t think his arm is elite or great. I think he’s a better passer than hurts but i don’t see his arm strengths as something like josh Allen or even Carson 

OK.  Essentially, it will be hard for Hurts to bust because there is little or no real expectations versus the opposite for Tua.  I guess that is fair, but it is hard to make a comparison with such drastic differences.  However, most analysts see it that way as one was clearly defined as a 1st round franchise talent and the other one wasn't.  I

7 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Every roster and season is a projection.  I mean saying Dallas is improved means you are projecting improvement from returning injured players or new players.

Fitzmagic in Washington may not be that great.  He has 3 career games against the Vikings and completed under 60% of his passes.  He let Miami to a 16-12 win against Indy in 2019.  I mean he's not facing Jim Schwartz in Philly anymore. Washington was a QB away from being a decent playoff contender.  I don't think Fitzpatrick or Heinecke are necessarily upgrades for them. 

Dallas adding Micah Parsons  is not as significant as if they added Surtain or Horn.  He just won't have that kind of impact on their defense for them. Dak's return from the ankle injury isn't a sure thing. I mean McNabb had a less severe injury and really took more than a year to regain his mobility.  Arguably, he wasn't ever the same rushing threat after his ankle fracture.

Devonta Smith was a top 10 value on the offense.  He plays in a position of value in terms of wins above replacement. https://www.pff.com/news/draft-why-positional-value-matters-in-the-nfl-draft  If you don't think he has a chance to significantly improve a team that's leading WR was a UDFA with under 600 yards, then I think we would disagree on his draft value.  

The Giants added a receiver but Toney is probably more of a project for them.  They have a pretty mediocre WR room.  Their big FA signing, Golladay, is coming off of a string of leg injuries that were season ending.  Daniel Jones has to improve his play.  

I don't think all this roster needed was 1 DeVonta Smith to be conference contenders. There's just simply too many unknowns right now to say the Eagles will be better in 2021 than they were in 2020. IF Hurts can play at a top level, and IF the O-line can stay healthy, and IF Sirianni is a good rookie coach and has a good scheme and IF he can call plays and IF Gannon can make chicken salad out of chicken ish, then we can contend. Every teams has some sort of projection yea, but it's a lot easier to presume if Dak is healthy he will improve Dallas vs if Hurts can actually play at all. Just my opinion, I can't believe it until I see it.

33 minutes ago, downundermike said:

If he does not improve on 46% completions in the second half, and points on less than 10% of second half possessions, he will be a bust.

I agree.  I am just as concerned with leading them to a losing record in his starts...maybe more..

8 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Every roster and season is a projection.  I mean saying Dallas is improved means you are projecting improvement from returning injured players or new players.

Fitzmagic in Washington may not be that great.  He has 3 career games against the Vikings and completed under 60% of his passes.  He let Miami to a 16-12 win against Indy in 2019.  I mean he's not facing Jim Schwartz in Philly anymore. Washington was a QB away from being a decent playoff contender.  I don't think Fitzpatrick or Heinecke are necessarily upgrades for them. 

Dallas adding Micah Parsons  is not as significant as if they added Surtain or Horn.  He just won't have that kind of impact on their defense for them. Dak's return from the ankle injury isn't a sure thing. I mean McNabb had a less severe injury and really took more than a year to regain his mobility.  Arguably, he wasn't ever the same rushing threat after his ankle fracture.

Devonta Smith was a top 10 value on the offense.  He plays in a position of value in terms of wins above replacement. https://www.pff.com/news/draft-why-positional-value-matters-in-the-nfl-draft  If you don't think he has a chance to significantly improve a team that's leading WR was a UDFA with under 600 yards, then I think we would disagree on his draft value.  

The Giants added a receiver but Toney is probably more of a project for them.  They have a pretty mediocre WR room.  Their big FA signing, Golladay, is coming off of a string of leg injuries that were season ending.  Daniel Jones has to improve his play.  

I rolled all of my 401k into something called a dog coin.  Was that good? 

I’m sure you didn’t  , but that is a pump and dump coin , created as a joke ,. I haven’t put a penny in it , because I buy and hodl... that said I know a few who have made 6 figures on it 

18 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Per Adam Caplan.  

 

That's now 4 OLB's that fit best in a 3-4 type outside rusher position. Maybe Gannon has a few 3-4 wrinkles in store. 

5 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

That's now 4 OLB's that fit best in a 3-4 type outside rusher position. Maybe Gannon has a few 3-4 wrinkles in store. 

Going to be a lot more than a few 3-4 wrinkles if we use roster spots on them. I would say that of the four, at least 2 likely make the team. Wonder how Stevens fits in as a S/LB tweener? Very interesting.