35 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Well that didn't take long.  Isn't this song and dance getting old? 

 

Urban Meyer 

I don't take anything Hurts did last year seriously, I mean compare to Wentz as a rookie in terms of preparation to start.

He was just thrown in there, without a real off-season or pre-season to prepare, didn't practice with the 1s, and was running some bizarro scheme with the most deep routes of any NFL team behind a shaky OL. Good that he got a chance to experience NFL speed, but otherwise pretty useless for evaluation purposes.

Watching the college breakdown posted, there weren't major flaws, there were a lot of little things that could be improved, his recognition, speed up his decision making, tweak his mechanics - exactly the kind of thing a good coaching staff does. We have the right coaching staff, we've added weapons and rebuilt the OL. It's up to Hurts to seize the opportunity - but until we see him on the field this fall no of us have any idea whether he'll succeed. Hurts does have the "right stuff," work ethic, leadership, competitiveness, but it means nothing if he can't produce on a consistent basis.

The Reich scheme is QB friendly, got a good season out of broken down Luck and ready for the glue factory Rivers, even got a respectable season out of JAG Brisset. And Wentz had an all pro caliber season under Reich. So either Hurts will step up or they'll develop another QB. But I'm not trading the house for overrated Watson and his padded stats (same with Wilson, QBs who hold the ball too long actually look better under the conventional rating system). He'll look good in this offense, but so will any capable NFL QB. Because the offense is designed to generate easy throws and protect the QB (both through reliance on the running game and the pass blocking schemes which are integrated with the play design).

1 hour ago, McMVP said:

I don’t think 6 or 7 wins, in a 17 game season, is enough to say "we’re ok at QB”.  

Neither do I.  I suspect that it is enough to create the illusion of QB progression with this FO.

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

I don't take anything Hurts did last year seriously, I mean compare to Wentz as a rookie in terms of preparation to start.

He was just thrown in there, without a real off-season or pre-season to prepare, didn't practice with the 1s, and was running some bizarro scheme with the most deep routes of any NFL team behind a shaky OL. Good that he got a chance to experience NFL speed, but otherwise pretty useless for evaluation purposes.

Watching the college breakdown posted, there weren't major flaws, there were a lot of little things that could be improved, his recognition, speed up his decision making, tweak his mechanics - exactly the kind of thing a good coaching staff does. We have the right coaching staff, we've added weapons and rebuilt the OL. It's up to Hurts to seize the opportunity - but until we see him on the field this fall no of us have any idea whether he'll succeed. Hurts does have the "right stuff," work ethic, leadership, competitiveness, but it means nothing if he can't produce on a consistent basis.

The Reich scheme is QB friendly, got a good season out of broken down Luck and ready for the glue factory Rivers, even got a respectable season out of JAG Brisset. And Wentz had an all pro caliber season under Reich. So either Hurts will step up or they'll develop another QB. But I'm not trading the house for overrated Watson and his padded stats (same with Wilson, QBs who hold the ball too long actually look better under the conventional rating system). He'll look good in this offense, but so will any capable NFL QB. Because the offense is designed to generate easy throws and protect the QB (both through reliance on the running game and the pass blocking schemes which are integrated with the play design).

He did practice with the 1's.

He was worked in periodically throughout the season.

What does Wentz's rookie season have to do  with anything?

You assume he will get good coaching - or that he will be responsive to it.

Reich is not the coach - we canned him, remember.

I agree about Watson and Wilson,

14 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I don't take anything Hurts did last year seriously, I mean compare to Wentz as a rookie in terms of preparation to start.

He was just thrown in there, without a real off-season or pre-season to prepare, didn't practice with the 1s, and was running some bizarro scheme with the most deep routes of any NFL team behind a shaky OL. Good that he got a chance to experience NFL speed, but otherwise pretty useless for evaluation purposes.

Watching the college breakdown posted, there weren't major flaws, there were a lot of little things that could be improved, his recognition, speed up his decision making, tweak his mechanics - exactly the kind of thing a good coaching staff does. We have the right coaching staff, we've added weapons and rebuilt the OL. It's up to Hurts to seize the opportunity - but until we see him on the field this fall no of us have any idea whether he'll succeed. Hurts does have the "right stuff," work ethic, leadership, competitiveness, but it means nothing if he can't produce on a consistent basis.

The Reich scheme is QB friendly, got a good season out of broken down Luck and ready for the glue factory Rivers, even got a respectable season out of JAG Brisset. And Wentz had an all pro caliber season under Reich. So either Hurts will step up or they'll develop another QB. But I'm not trading the house for overrated Watson and his padded stats (same with Wilson, QBs who hold the ball too long actually look better under the conventional rating system). He'll look good in this offense, but so will any capable NFL QB. Because the offense is designed to generate easy throws and protect the QB (both through reliance on the running game and the pass blocking schemes which are integrated with the play design).

So considering that he played for the best staffs in college football....two staffs known for putting out 1st round talent and 1st round QBs....yet he still needs better coaching?  Come the F on!  I agree with some of the components of your post, but that one is just ignoring the facts.  Those teams TRIED to develop his skills and break him of his tendencies.  It just didn't take.  We will see if this staff can break through or not, but throwing away more than one season trying is a mistake...thus why a Watson trade has to get some consideration.

Kapernick aside, there's 0 reason Tim Tebow should have gotten a contract he's 33 and doing a position switch to TE and hasn't played pro football in years.  That's just dumb. 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

They're the Jaguars.  They need all the help they can get, getting fans interested.  Do you know what his contract is?  Do you know they will make the team?  Obviously it's not going to work.  But more importantly, who cares?

I assume it's a non-guanranteed contract. He's still taking a roster spot on the 90 that someone else isn't getting their shot.   Not a big deal of course but most of this stuff isn't. It's just fodder for conversation

18 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

He did practice with the 1's.

He was worked in periodically throughout the season.

What does Wentz's rookie season have to do  with anything?

You assume he will get good coaching - or that he will be responsive to it.

Reich is not the coach - we canned him, remember.

I agree about Watson and Wilson,

Reich was hired away by Colts after the SB win.  Raiding champion's staff is a norm and teams are supposed not to stop that.

14 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Didn't say you did. I disagree, I don't see improvement. Every other team doesn’t have as a big or glaring question marks as the Eagles, imo. We'll just agree to disagree. 

Don't tell me what to do.

 

13 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I got a massage under the Ben Franklin bridge once 

Well I hope he didn't leave any marks. 

 

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Well that didn't take long.  Isn't this song and dance getting old? 

 

Tebow is playing for bare minimum at a position he has never played. If kaepernick is willing to do that then some team might give him a shot. He wasn't that great of a QB, he rode an amazing defense 

24 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

He did practice with the 1's.

He was worked in periodically throughout the season.

What does Wentz's rookie season have to do  with anything?

You assume he will get good coaching - or that he will be responsive to it.

Reich is not the coach - we canned him, remember.

I agree about Watson and Wilson,

Man, we didn't can Reich. He was hired as HC and the Eagles couldn't do anything about it. That's a big difference. 

Are we allowed to post schedule leaks and spoilers or do we have to wait for some ESPN talking head to announce it on TV?

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Are we allowed to post schedule leaks and spoilers or do we have to wait for some ESPN talking head to announce it on TV?

you can pm me for sure

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Are we allowed to post schedule leaks and spoilers or do we have to wait for some ESPN talking head to announce it on TV?

I think I'm in the minority when it comes to the schedule to be released but I don't get excited at all.  We know the teams they are playing.  Just meh for me.  

 

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I think I'm in the minority when it comes to the schedule to be released but I don't get excited at all.  We know the teams they are playing.  Just meh for me.  

 

Mostly the same, except I do a lot of camping in Sept/Oct, so it's nice to plan out trips around the Eagles games once it's released. Otherwise, they've made it into something very over hyped. But, that's the modern NFL really. 

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

Mostly the same, except I do a lot of camping in Sept/Oct, so it's nice to plan out trips around the Eagles games once it's released. Otherwise, they've made it into something very over hyped. But, that's the modern NFL really. 

Yea, it does make sense for trip planning and such, especially if you're a ticket holder (I'm not).  I do care when the bye week is compared to other teams and what the travel looks like for the team but certainly don't get hyped about it being released. 

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/doug-pederson-excited-watch-eagles-jalen-hurts-devonta-smith-jalen-reagor-2021

 

 

18 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Are we allowed to post schedule leaks and spoilers or do we have to wait for some ESPN talking head to announce it on TV?

It's the NFL schedule. Leak away!

3 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

What in the world are you talking about?   
 

Reagor - 148 catches, 2,248 yards, 22 TD in 3 seasons.  With his best season (sophomore, 2nd season) being - 72 catches, 1061 yards,  9 TD.  
 

Agholor-  178 catches, 2,572 yards, 20 TD in 3 seasons.  With his best season (junior, final season) being- 104 catches, 1313 yards and 12 TD.  
 

 

How in the hell did Reagor show "way more in college”?   Don’t give me the high pointing ish either.   
 

Jesus Christ.  You guys are hilarious.   

You just don’t know how to evaluate WRs. Stats aren’t everything. Aren’t you the one whining about statistically the best college WR of all time that we just drafted? Talk about agenda. And hypocrisy. For every blind homer there is a blind whiner. You’re one of the biggest. 
 

if you can watch tape of Agholor and Reagor in college and come away more impressed by Agholor’s skill set, idk what to tell you. But keep using stats in ways that are convenient to whatever current whining you’re doing. 

50 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Kapernick aside, there's 0 reason Tim Tebow should have gotten a contract he's 33 and doing a position switch to TE and hasn't played pro football in years.  That's just dumb. 

I wish somebody would just sign Kapernick so we could just be done with this "why isn't he in the NFL" rhetoric.  

Tebow makes some sense for Urban Meyer.  Tebow played for Urban.  Likely Urban's offense hasn't changed all that much since when Tebow ran it at Florida.  If he's on the field, he's on the field as an assistant coach / player.  He can help Lawrence adjust, help him understand the offense.  

I really think that's all there is.  I imagine he'll be on the PS if he makes the team at all.  

 

3 minutes ago, blindside said:

You just don’t know how to evaluate WRs. Stats aren’t everything. Aren’t you the one whining about statistically the best college WR of all time that we just drafted? Y’all about agenda. And hypocrisy. For every blind homer there is a blind whiner. You’re one of the biggest. 
 

if you can watch tape of Agholor and Reagor in college and come away more impressed by Agholor’s skill set, idk what to tell you. But keep using stats in ways that are convenient to whatever current whining you’re doing. 

Numbers aside, Agholor was pretty good in college.

Just now, Swoop said:

Numbers aside, Agholor was pretty good in college.

I never saw it. He ran wide open a lot and caught the ball with his arms with no one around him. A lot. 

1 hour ago, pgcd3 said:

Kapernick aside, there's 0 reason Tim Tebow should have gotten a contract he's 33 and doing a position switch to TE and hasn't played pro football in years.  That's just dumb. 

Kind of feels like it’s only happening cause urban Meyer and the connection they had at Florida. He and Meyer are still close. And maybe some extra pub the jags get

4 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

I wish somebody would just sign Kapernick so we could just be done with this "why isn't he in the NFL" rhetoric.  

Tebow makes some sense for Urban Meyer.  Tebow played for Urban.  Likely Urban's offense hasn't changed all that much since when Tebow ran it at Florida.  If he's on the field, he's on the field as an assistant coach / player.  He can help Lawrence adjust, help him understand the offense.  

I really think that's all there is.  I imagine he'll be on the PS if he makes the team at all.  

 

Would you hire him for your team to be a starter?

1 hour ago, Swoop said:

As I've said, I don't think Hurts is as bad as Tebow nor will his career go that way. Not a single person has suggested that. You guys cling to that because the numbers slap you right in the face and show how sub par Hurts truly was.

We have people in here claiming he did really well. No, he didn't. He couldn't do anything when teams adjusted, he had a piss poor completion percentage, he fumbled the ball consistently and thew picks as well. 

There are several red flags with Hurts and if you or other people cannot see that, I can't help you.

My concerns about Hurts are well documented.   I don't need your help.  Using Tebow as a comparison to make your argument is lazy.  If you don't think Hurts is as bad as Tebow why even use him as the barometer?  However, since he will be our starter I hope he proves me wrong.   I'm a supporter now, but not blind to the challenges.