24 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Only an idiot thinks its WR vs CB out there. 

The best CB would get roasted if the QB has all the time in the world

The best CB will look dumb when he has to play against the run/Play action. 

This isnt the pro's. Guys like Horn and Stingley were playing with dudes who will be working for UPS. 

Not a single person said it was only WR vs CB. You discredited his numbers because of Waddle. When you were proven wrong, you changed the argument in an attempt to discredit him further and called the SEC (strongest teams of college ball) crap. When you were once again called out for being an idiot, you're trying to shift the argument again.

Stop talking.

24 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

 

 

13 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Top ten is not elite, in fact I'd say guys like Dak, Watson, Wentz (before last season) are pretty fungible. That is, they'll put up good numbers, win with good teams, struggle to carry bad teams.

Elite are the top 3-5 who can carry teams, Watson puts up great counting numbers (partially b/c he holds the ball too long instead of throwing it away, which inflates stats but hurts your team), but Dak has been just as good. You don't ransom your future for QBs like Watson, you build around them and hope the team is good enough for them to be the difference, but he isn't prime time Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Peyton, et al. You gamble on "elite", you wait for "good" to fall into your lap.

 

47 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I like QBR much better than QB rating

Rodgers, 17, 20, 1

 

So Aaron Rodgers is not elite according to you.

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

10-12 wins. Home playoff game(probably a win) and a top 10 QB. (probably a pro bowl since everyone makes it)

i predict eagles get pick 20 or 21 from the colts.

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Top ten is not elite, in fact I'd say guys like Dak, Watson, Wentz (before last season) are pretty fungible. That is, they'll put up good numbers, win with good teams, struggle to carry bad teams.

Elite are the top 3-5 who can carry teams, Watson puts up great counting numbers (partially b/c he holds the ball too long instead of throwing it away, which inflates stats but hurts your team), but Dak has been just as good. You don't ransom your future for QBs like Watson, you build around them and hope the team is good enough for them to be the difference, but he isn't prime time Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Peyton, et al. You gamble on "elite", you wait for "good" to fall into your lap.

Well those "elite" QBs aren't generally available. You have currently, Brady?, Rodgers, Mahomes....then who? Does Russell Wilson fall into elite? The top 10 as I see it are:

Brady

Wilson

Mahomes

Rodgers

Allen

Watson

Prescott

Ryan

Tannehill

Herbert, Burrow, still way too early to figure out what they are. 

Wentz is a complete wild card. Cousins, Jimmy G, Goff, Murray, Stafford, Mayfield, all average really. 

So of all those QBs, who's "elite"? Brady can't carry a team on his own anymore, that's why he jumped to Tampa. Wilson can only carry that team so far, as we've seen year over year. Same with Rodgers. Rodgers is so good he gets that trash heap of a team to the NFCCG but they flame out there. So Mahomes really is the only guy that could be considered elite, by your definition. 

But that doesn't answer the question. We aren't talking about ransoming the future, most in here would be upset with multiple 1sts being traded for him. But there is a confluence of where his value would match a reasonable trade package. What that exactly is, is hard to say. Are you saying under no circumstances would you want to trade for him? Like, for a 1st and a 3rd for instance? 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

 

 

So Aaron Rodgers is not elite according to you.

My problem with afan is he makes some ridiculous takes at times. Like the super bowl this year when i said mahomes was elite. and he went on to say he was unproven so far cause injuries could derail his career. Then eventually he tried to change it into the argument was us saying he was a lock of the HOF when that wasn’t the original argument that was discussed. The argument was that he was elite at this particular moment in time. 2 Sb appearance and should’ve been a third if not for Dee Ford  

Also when we talked about watson in the past said the Texans oline was close to special this past year. Which is untrue and i posted pff grades then and once again today about the last 3 years and his starting oline from this year. 

12 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Let's wait and see. Hurts is an elite runner, he doesn't have the breakaway speed of some running QBs, but he's built like a RB with RB open field moves (elusive and powerful).

So he doesn't have to be a great pocket QB, if he's merely "good" he'll be a top ten QB.

The key with top running QBs is playing QB well enough to make their ability to run an extra weapon, but not one defenses can key on. Reason I hate the RPO is that it encourages young running QBs to focus on the run, when they should be reined in and forced to learn how to play in the pocket, then expand their game.

Johnson developed both Dak and Trask, so he knows how to work with different styles of QB, we'll see what he can do with Hurts and Newman.

And Sirianni comes from the Reich school of balanced offense, using the run game, using RBs as receivers for easy completions against defenses that drop deep, using the whole field to scheme receivers open at different levels. That's a much better approach than Doug's 2020 offense, based on speed to attack cover 3. It should give Hurts a lot of quick, easy throws.

We will see.  There is no way to twist that Hurts is more Throwing RB than Running QB.  His arm and his head will be his limitation.

In fantasy football, he will be Top 10 running around racking up cheap points.  In the NFL, it sounds like a major longshot to me.  Time will tell. 

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

Well those "elite" QBs aren't generally available. You have currently, Brady?, Rodgers, Mahomes....then who? Does Russell Wilson fall into elite? The top 10 as I see it are:

Brady

Wilson

Mahomes

Rodgers

Allen

Watson

Prescott

Ryan

Tannehill

Herbert, Burrow, still way too early to figure out what they are. 

Wentz is a complete wild card. Cousins, Jimmy G, Goff, Murray, Stafford, Mayfield, all average really. 

So of all those QBs, who's "elite"? Brady can't carry a team on his own anymore, that's why he jumped to Tampa. Wilson can only carry that team so far, as we've seen year over year. Same with Rodgers. Rodgers is so good he gets that trash heap of a team to the NFCCG but they flame out there. So Mahomes really is the only guy that could be considered elite, by your definition. 

But that doesn't answer the question. We aren't talking about ransoming the future, most in here would be upset with multiple 1sts being traded for him. But there is a confluence of where his value would match a reasonable trade package. What that exactly is, is hard to say. Are you saying under no circumstances would you want to trade for him? Like, for a 1st and a 3rd for instance? 

Just saying he said mahomes was unproven and not elite right before the super bowl. We had that convo. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

My problem with afan is he makes some ridiculous takes at times. Like the super bowl this year when i said mahomes was elite. and he went on to say he was unproven so far cause injuries could derail his career. Then eventually he tried to change it into the argument was us saying he was a lock of the HOF when that wasn’t the original argument that was discussed. The argument was that he was elite at this particular moment in time. 2 Sb appearance and should’ve been a third if not for Dee Ford  

Also when we talked about watson in the past said the Texans oline was close to special this past year. Which is untrue and i posted pff grades then and once again today about the last 3 years and his starting oline from this year. 

Based on my post above...I'd want Watson more than any QBs not named Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers, and Wilson. That's about it. And 2 (possibly 3) of those guys are probably out of the league in 3 years. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Just saying he said mahomes was unproven and not elite right before the super bowl. We had that convo. 

Lol, I mean....by his own definition, even though Mahomes o-line was mangled, he couldn't carry the team himself to victory. So I guess he's right!

Just now, TorontoEagle said:

Lol, I mean....by his own definition, even though Mahomes o-line was mangled, he couldn't carry the team himself to victory. So I guess he's right!

In Mahomes defense if guys could catch footballs and not play wide receiver like the Eagles in that game, they would’ve at least been respectable in that game. They wouldn’t have won but when his body is parallel to the ground and he hits the guy in the hand and he drops it is flat out ridiculous. Also tyreek hill dropped one. 

8 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Based on my post above...I'd want Watson more than any QBs not named Mahomes, Brady, Rodgers, and Wilson. That's about it. And 2 (possibly 3) of those guys are probably out of the league in 3 years. 

Yeah i think josh allen would be close but I’d need to see him do it again this year. His completion percentage jumped dramatically so i want to see him be consistent again. But he’s about the only one after those 4 that’s competing with watson for who I’d want. I’d add Herbert if he balls out again. As for Wilson i wouldn’t do that trade cause he’s 33 and i don’t know if he plays into his 40s. I could see him retiring around 38-39 especially being married to Ciara. He might say differently now but 5-6 years of games might change that especially behind Seattle’s oline

13 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Well those "elite" QBs aren't generally available. You have currently, Brady?, Rodgers, Mahomes....then who? Does Russell Wilson fall into elite? The top 10 as I see it are:

Brady

Wilson

Mahomes

Rodgers

Allen

Watson

Prescott

Ryan

Tannehill

Herbert, Burrow, still way too early to figure out what they are. 

Wentz is a complete wild card. Cousins, Jimmy G, Goff, Murray, Stafford, Mayfield, all average really. 

So of all those QBs, who's "elite"? Brady can't carry a team on his own anymore, that's why he jumped to Tampa. Wilson can only carry that team so far, as we've seen year over year. Same with Rodgers. Rodgers is so good he gets that trash heap of a team to the NFCCG but they flame out there. So Mahomes really is the only guy that could be considered elite, by your definition. 

But that doesn't answer the question. We aren't talking about ransoming the future, most in here would be upset with multiple 1sts being traded for him. But there is a confluence of where his value would match a reasonable trade package. What that exactly is, is hard to say. Are you saying under no circumstances would you want to trade for him? Like, for a 1st and a 3rd for instance? 

Can’t call Brady elite, IMO. He’s unproven. 

47 minutes ago, greend said:

The same people that wanted him gone.

I never wanted him gone but I wanted the situation resolved. I do think he deserved to be benched end of last season but was hoping he turn it around this season for us, but oh well. 

Tebow signs with the Jags

2 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Tebow signs with the Jags

ok

3 hours ago, John_C said:

It's highly, highly suspicious.  It was coordinated.  The primary beneficiary so far has been the Texans, since it now looks like he will have no choice but to play for the Texans, when his prior stance was he would never play for them again.  He had always been reported to be a good person and teammate prior to this, and a number of his massage therapists issued a statement to that effect as well.

I'm sure it is likely he engaged in some sultry behavior with some of his massage therapists, but again there is a lot more information that needs to come out to accurately assess what he did.

The idea that this is some conspiracy by the Texans is just crazy.  I think the allegations against Watson make him untradeable but it's not like that helps the Texans.  There's no way the Eagles should consider trading for him.  

1 hour ago, thedanone82 said:

People will lose their damn minds if he puts up MVP numbers

I'd be happy 🤷‍♂️ I wanted Foles to do great after he left too

So Joe Oatman is being moved to LB as well.  Looking more and more likely that we are headed towards some sort of hybrid defense with 3-4 looks

 

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

It’s beyond laughable and starting to become trolling at this point.  It has to be.   

The dude doubled down on Aaron Rodgers not being elite, he has to be a troll.

21 minutes ago, thedanone82 said:

I never wanted him gone but I wanted the situation resolved. I do think he deserved to be benched end of last season but was hoping he turn it around this season for us, but oh well. 

I think he needed benched as well. I was hoping we could  work it out, but it is what it is. If I can get over Reggie.....................................

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

The dude doubled down on Aaron Rodgers not being elite, he has to be a troll.

You'd think so, but I'm not convinced. Lot of stupid people in the world...

2 hours ago, TorontoEagle said:

I think you missed the prior convo.....Bacarty originally posited that Smith was overrated due to playing against lesser talent. Another poster pointed out the SEC is generally considered the best conference. Another poster listed all the corners Smith went against, some of whom are verrrrry highly regarded. Bacarty then tripled? down on his original assertion by saying those corners are only 1 player of 11 that Smith had to go against. Enter my outlandish statement. 

   gotcha.  

1 hour ago, greend said:

I hope we get Watson just so some people have to reverse their position on him

Sadist.

5 minutes ago, Swoop said:

You'd think so, but I'm not convinced. Lot of stupid people in the world...

Afan might be a lot of things but stupid aint one of em

Just now, greend said:

Afan might be a lot of things but stupid aint one of em

I mean, I wasn't really saying he was, but Rodgers not being elite is a pretty horrible take.