8 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Yes that matters then too.  That's why you can be asymptomatic but still spread the virus.  That's literally the reason we're all wearing masks even if you don't have symptoms which you seem to be whining about.

You're moved your goal posts to the vaccine not being a vaccine (it is), it changes your DNA (it doesn't), it changes your mRNA (it doesn't), to it being a fact that you can spread it after being vaccinated (it isn't) to now bishing about asymptomatic spreaders for some unknown reason.  All while talking down to people who clearly understand this crap better than you.  Grow up.

Ah so we're moving the goalposts to minors now I see.  Besides being Fing moronic comparison because 1) car accidents aren't infectious and 2) ignoring MASSIVE deaths in a group that makes up about 35% of the population (people over 50) is at best willful ignorance, as far as I'm aware the CDC also hasn't posted suicide numbers by age breakdown for 2020.  Nor can I find car deaths in 2020 breakdown by age. So where are you getting those numbers? 

You're the worst kind of moron, a confident one.

I haven't been in the thread in months. That's why I'm unleashing a bunch of complaints.

It is not a vaccine by any historical definition. That is a FACT.

I modified the DNA ("genetic code") comment literally as he was quoting me. It was already changed before it was corrected by another poster. And unlike you, I admit my wrongs. I noticed you edited your post about the over 50 response I had to John because we were SPECIFICALLY talking about HIS risks. Real classy of you to project my statement on the whole. Who is moving goal posts?

I also posted IF YOU ARE OVER 50, SHOOT UP. Get the vaccine! If you're under 50, HIT THE GYM! Do I need to quote that post for you??? I didn't exclude anyone.

 

And it is 100% fact that you can spread it after vaccination because, as you admit, this doesn't create immunity, it uses messenger RNA to create an immune response. So if you can STILL spread it after HAVING COVID ANTIBODIES, then you can STILL spread it after having the "vaccine"!

I'll get you some statistics on suicides, at least from Ohio (where I live). I don't know about federal statistics.

13 minutes ago, IFB DOG said:

5'7" 185. I am considered overweight according to charts.

I accept my risks. I don't sugar coat others'.

5’6”. 130. 
 

Dude, maybe take your own advice. 

To the broader point - yes, the outcomes are much worse in this country because we are so out of shape. I am a fitness nut, but 3-4 days a week of cardio is a must for most people along with avoiding crap food. I would love to see health insurance premiums tied to BMI, but the PC police would go nuts. 

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

5’6”. 130. 
 

Dude, maybe take your own advice. 

"I accept my risks".

I don't shut down the country because my fat arse has a higher risk of dying from COVID.

Side note about the death rate: Do you know the average lifespan in a nursing home?  Less than six months.  At least, in Ohio. I'm sure its similar elsewhere. We put people in there to die, and then are shocked when a respiratory disease kills a bunch of old folks in a nursing home.  We run million-dollar-revenue facilities while paying new STNAs minimum wage with little job training and we expect better outcomes? lol.

19 hours ago, mikemack8 said:

My company has multiple locations in different states, and everyone state has a different policy, so my boss just goes by each state's health department recommendations.  

My company goes by state guidelines,   Which was sent out to all employees on company letter head, clearly explaining them to us in regards to our business.  Your employer did not do the same ??

1 minute ago, IFB DOG said:

I haven't been in the thread in months. That's why I'm unleashing a bunch of complaints.

It is not a vaccine by any historical definition. That is a FACT.

I modified the DNA ("genetic code") comment literally as he was quoting me. It was already changed before it was corrected by another poster. And unlike you, I admit my wrongs. I noticed you edited your post about the over 50 response I had to John because we were SPECIFICALLY talking about HIS risks. Real classy of you to project my statement on the whole. Who is moving goal posts?

I also posted IF YOU ARE OVER 50, SHOOT UP. Get the vaccine! If you're under 50, HIT THE GYM! Do I need to quote that post for you??? I didn't exclude anyone.

And it is 100% fact that you can spread it after vaccination because, as you admit, this doesn't create immunity, it uses messenger RNA to create an immune response. So if you can STILL spread it after HAVING COVID ANTIBODIES, then you can STILL spread it after having the "vaccine"!

I'll get you some statistics on suicides, at least from Ohio (where I live). I don't know about federal statistics.

Again you clearly don't know what you're talking about.  It is a vaccine by any standard other than some weird historical one you made up yourself.  Your edit about it only changing your cells mRNA is still wrong.  You're still wrong about it being "100% a fact" you can spread it after vaccination, and I never admitted it doesn't create immunity. What part of it hasn't been studied yet  are you struggling with? And if you're trying to now argue that because you can spread it after infection you can spread it after vaccination 1) we don't have comparative data on immunity following vaccine vs immunity following illness yet and there are many instances of vaccines causing better immunity than infection and 2) the rates of reinfection from COVID are much lower than primary infection.

And my only edit to the post was removing the phrase "you're just pulling this out of your arse aren't you" because I thought it was too harsh.  In retrospect I should have just doubled down and started calling you a Fing idiot earlier.

@DEagle7 suicide statistics.  I cannot find the news article about it. It was posted to Facebook by our local TV station. The number was 174 kids - KIDS - committed suicide in 2020.

https://www.americashealthrankings.org/explore/health-of-women-and-children/measure/teen_suicide/state/OH?fbclid=IwAR1F5-4UR317fTn27Nzb4Z67_C2-OpJKS8i8RKntM_2pqRFcsmvTNRsKifA

We've lost NINE people who died WITH COVID-19 last year under the age of 19. NINE! And the state won't release what co-morbidities existed!

https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/covid-19/dashboards/schools-and-children/children?fbclid=IwAR1uktIa1MeLPZqfhTUkTSo1fW3UNDVEQbXT83LqB7zHgFIeJdIhm5vzhoM

Suicides are UP DRASTICALLY for age groups 10-14. these are 4th graders through 8th graders; they haven't even reached high school yet and they're ending their lives!!

@bobeph is 4'10" and 671 pounds and he survived COVID. 

1 minute ago, DEagle7 said:

Again you clearly don't know what you're talking about.  It is a vaccine by any standard other than some weird historical one you made up yourself.  Your edit about it only changing your cells mRNA is still wrong.  You're still wrong about it being "100% a fact" you can spread it after vaccination, and I never admitted it doesn't create immunity. What part of it hasn't been studied yet  are you struggling with? And if you're trying to now argue that because you can spread it after infection you can spread it after vaccination 1) we don't have comparative data on immunity following vaccine vs immunity following illness yet and there are many instances of vaccines causing better immunity than infection and 2) the rates of reinfection from COVID are much lower than primary infection.

And my only edit to the post was removing the phrase "you're just pulling this out of your arse aren't you" because I thought it was too harsh.  In retrospect I should have just doubled down and started calling you a Fing idiot earlier.

No, you pulled it out because you realized I SPECIFICALLY differentiated between under 50 and over 50, and then you admonished me for FoRgEtTiNg ThE sEnIoRs!!!!!

You must be a politician. 

1 hour ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

No. I'm 6'1 200 lbs.

BMI says you're overweight

I'm just about the same as you.

6 hours ago, IFB DOG said:

Here's an idea: let's fight a real pandemic instead of a scamdemic.

Who wants to enter into an EMB weight-loss challenge?

CoVid is real. Just like MERS, its legit and it kills. But age and obesity are the number one and number two co-morbidities.

Don't get a vaccine and assume you're safe from dying early. Go to the F'ing gym and drop 20 pounds you lards. Replace one or two red meat meals a week, eliminate pop and fast food and exercise two or three days a week.

A gym membership will be much more impactful than this "vaccine" (quotes = I don't NOT believe in it, its just by definition its not technically a vaccination). If you're over 50, shoot up. Otherwise, lose some F'ing weight.

https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health-topics/overweight-and-obesity

@DEagle7

And, yeah, I posted my weight. I am actively trying to lose weight. I was 190 when I went to the doctor for my check up last year.  When I found out what my cholesterol was, even though I "felt" healthy, I about fell over.  30-years-old and my unmedicated triglycerides were 1105!   Already down 8 pounds. Fluctuate between 182-186 depending on what time of day I step on the scale. I want that down to 160.  

I guess I just expect other people to make a goddamned effort when they find out their health conditions = morbidity.  I especially think it's DUMB that physical activity has been shunned. I was walking in the park every single day or riding bikes with the toddler and then the scamdemic shut it down. Like WTF lol.  Finally the sheriff said enough is enough, I'm not enforcing outside rules. 

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

BMI says you're overweight

I'm just about the same as you.

No, but that's the thing! I know you posted you live in Sweden, but you're originally from the USA right?  Over 35% of our country is OBESE and an extra 30% is overweight!   You could literally grab a random sample of 10 people and chances are more than half are overweight + .  

Since I've started researching health outcomes, weight loss plans, exercise techniques, healthy foods, etc. it's really opened my eyes to how F'ed up our society is - particularly the food and agricultural industry.

1 minute ago, IFB DOG said:

@DEagle7

And, yeah, I posted my weight. I am actively trying to lose weight. I was 190 when I went to the doctor for my check up last year.  When I found out what my cholesterol was, even though I "felt" healthy, I about fell over.  30-years-old and my unmedicated triglycerides were 1105!   Already down 8 pounds. Fluctuate between 182-186 depending on what time of day I step on the scale. I want that down to 160.  

I guess I just expect other people to make a goddamned effort when they find out their health conditions = morbidity.  I especially think it's DUMB that physical activity has been shunned. I was walking in the park every single day or riding bikes with the toddler and then the scamdemic shut it down. Like WTF lol.  Finally the sheriff said enough is enough, I'm not enforcing outside rules. 

1. Cut out processed sugars and carbs as much as possible. Also avoid dairy at all costs 

2. Get 60 minutes of cardio 4-6 days a week

3. Drink at least half your weight in ounces of water (so 97.5 for you)

I work out 6 days a week and basically eat eggs and oatmeal (bkfast), grilled meat and veggies (lunch and dinner) other than 1 big cheat meal every week. 

14 minutes ago, IFB DOG said:

@DEagle7 suicide statistics.  I cannot find the news article about it. It was posted to Facebook by our local TV station. The number was 174 kids - KIDS - committed suicide in 2020.

https://www.americashealthrankings.org/explore/health-of-women-and-children/measure/teen_suicide/state/OH?fbclid=IwAR1F5-4UR317fTn27Nzb4Z67_C2-OpJKS8i8RKntM_2pqRFcsmvTNRsKifA

We've lost NINE people who died WITH COVID-19 last year under the age of 19. NINE! And the state won't release what co-morbidities existed!

https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/covid-19/dashboards/schools-and-children/children?fbclid=IwAR1uktIa1MeLPZqfhTUkTSo1fW3UNDVEQbXT83LqB7zHgFIeJdIhm5vzhoM

Suicides are UP DRASTICALLY for age groups 10-14. these are 4th graders through 8th graders; they haven't even reached high school yet and they're ending their lives!!

almost 600 kids (10-14) committed suicide in 2017. 

suicide has been trending up among youth for a generation. for various reasons.

you're citing national stats and Ohio stats separately. what are you even on man? are you snorting the protein mix?

1 hour ago, DEagle7 said:

When the hell did "mucosal immunity" come into the conversation?

I'll take "Moving the Goalposts" for $1000, Alex.

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

1. Cut out processed sugars and carbs as much as possible. Also avoid dairy at all costs 

2. Get 60 minutes of cardio 4-6 days a week

3. Drink at least half your weight in ounces of water (so 97.5 for you)

I work out 6 days a week and basically eat eggs and oatmeal (bkfast), grilled meat and veggies (lunch and dinner) other than 1 big cheat meal every week. 

To me strength training is just as important as cardiovascular exercise. 

I see it in older people all the time. Once muscle atrophy happens quality of life goes in the ****.

Just now, vikas83 said:

1. Cut out processed sugars and carbs as much as possible. Also avoid dairy at all costs 

2. Get 60 minutes of cardio 4-6 days a week

3. Drink at least half your weight in ounces of water (so 97.5 for you)

I work out 6 days a week and basically eat eggs and oatmeal (bkfast), grilled meat and veggies (lunch and dinner) other than 1 big cheat meal every week. 

Right, so simple/reducing sugars are literally the devil. Addictive, VERY short-term energy, and overall just a bad source.  What do we load our kids up with cereal in the morning? lol.  I've cut out pop, gatorade, chocolate milk, snacks (sans fruit), etc.  Dairy is going to be tough.  I drink fat free skim milk like it's water.  And I like greek yogurt for a snack.  Never did beer/liquor, but beer is another one that they say to cut out.

Cardio is getting better now that our governor is like "oh yeah, sun and fresh air is ok now..." .  Between working full time, now two kids, and finishing my Master's, I am lucky to get 15 minutes in.  But, I did get a rising desk at work, so at least I'm no longer sitting all day long.  And with a wireless headset, I can wander and talk to clients.   Looking forward to getting the kids on a walk regularly. We did twice this week.

+1 on water.  That's my go-to beverage now. 

 

Appreciate the advice.

4 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

almost 600 kids (10-14) committed suicide in 2017. 

suicide has been trending up among youth for a generation. for various reasons.

you're citing national stats and Ohio stats separately. what are you even on man? are you snorting the protein mix?

Click the tab that says "2020".... and, no, I didn't cite national statistics on suicide and I SPECIFICALLY STATED I didn't have them for federal statistics but would get him Ohio numbers...

8 minutes ago, IFB DOG said:

@DEagle7

And, yeah, I posted my weight. I am actively trying to lose weight. I was 190 when I went to the doctor for my check up last year.  When I found out what my cholesterol was, even though I "felt" healthy, I about fell over.  30-years-old and my unmedicated triglycerides were 1105!   Already down 8 pounds. Fluctuate between 182-186 depending on what time of day I step on the scale. I want that down to 160.  

I guess I just expect other people to make a goddamned effort when they find out their health conditions = morbidity.  I especially think it's DUMB that physical activity has been shunned. I was walking in the park every single day or riding bikes with the toddler and then the scamdemic shut it down. Like WTF lol.  Finally the sheriff said enough is enough, I'm not enforcing outside rules. 

I'm not arguing you didn't say it.  I'm saying it's still moronic. Besides it being completely irrelevant to the other BS you brought up like vaccines not limiting the ability to spread and changing mRNA that are just flat out wrong, vaccinating only 50+ year olds would be like designating a pissing section of the pool. We need as close to herd immunity as possible before we can put this thing in the rearview mirror. 

So by all means go out and exercise and eat right.  But get your vaccine and wear a mask until this is over too. It's not that hard.  

4 minutes ago, IFB DOG said:

Right, so simple/reducing sugars are literally the devil. Addictive, VERY short-term energy, and overall just a bad source.  What do we load our kids up with cereal in the morning? lol.  I've cut out pop, gatorade, chocolate milk, snacks (sans fruit), etc.  Dairy is going to be tough.  I drink fat free skim milk like it's water.  And I like greek yogurt for a snack.  Never did beer/liquor, but beer is another one that they say to cut out.

Cardio is getting better now that our governor is like "oh yeah, sun and fresh air is ok now..." .  Between working full time, now two kids, and finishing my Master's, I am lucky to get 15 minutes in.  But, I did get a rising desk at work, so at least I'm no longer sitting all day long.  And with a wireless headset, I can wander and talk to clients.   Looking forward to getting the kids on a walk regularly. We did twice this week.

+1 on water.  That's my go-to beverage now. 

 

Appreciate the advice.

Try almond milk as a replacement for the skim milk. 
 

Luckily I don’t have kids, so blocking out 60-120 minutes a day is no big deal. 

1 hour ago, dawkins4prez said:

I have a friend in Germany, 60 yr old guy lives alone and not having a good time with pandemic.  We've been face timing with him throughout, he says he's going to New York to get vaccinated (also has a home there) because Germany is still on 85 (eighty Fing five) and over.

Yep.  My 86yr old mother-in-law just got her appointment for her first shot.  She gets it in 10 days.  We are WAY behind and it is all a supply problem.  The EU put a lot of their strategy on the Astra Zeneca vaccine and they can't get the supply delivered.  In Sweden we are 3.3M doses down from what was promised by end of April and for a country of 10M that's a real problem.

There seems to be two main issues.  First, there is a factory in Belgium that was supposed to produce a major piece of the supply but they've been hampered with the inability to secure one of the main ingredients which is manufactured heavily in the US and I think some in China.  Second, AZ had a backup plan to move supply from the US and the UK into the EU but that has been blocked by the US and UK govt not allowing the export.  For example, there are 10M doses in the US in storage right now that are blocked even though AZ hasn't even applied for approval in the US.

https://medical.mit.edu/covid-19-updates/2020/12/can-someone-who-recovered-spread-COVID19

Oh, and we know there are different strands, right?  So yeah, when they say "sorry, MoDeRnA pRoBaBlY wOnT hElP aGaInSt ThE nEw StRaNd" then, yeah... vaccine is not the end all, be all. Work out. Get a gym membership. 

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-00031-0

13 minutes ago, IFB DOG said:

No, but that's the thing! I know you posted you live in Sweden, but you're originally from the USA right?  Over 35% of our country is OBESE and an extra 30% is overweight!   You could literally grab a random sample of 10 people and chances are more than half are overweight + .  

Since I've started researching health outcomes, weight loss plans, exercise techniques, healthy foods, etc. it's really opened my eyes to how F'ed up our society is - particularly the food and agricultural industry.

Oh yeah I know.  I visit the US several times a year.  Fwiw, Sweden is starting to see its fair share of obesity as well.  Nothing like the US though.

2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

I'm not arguing you didn't say it.  I'm saying it's still moronic. Besides it being completely irrelevant to the other BS you brought up like vaccines not limiting the ability to spread and changing mRNA that are just flat out wrong, vaccinating only 50+ year olds would be like designating a pissing section of the pool. We need as close to herd immunity as possible before we can put this thing in the rearview mirror. 

So by all means go out and exercise and eat right.  But get your vaccine and wear a mask until this is over too. It's not that hard.  

I know you're not saying I said otherwise, but I 100% wear a mask indoors, and when interacting with clients at work (we get a few that come in throughout the day for meetings and help).  But I don't wear a mask in my own office or when outside.  I had to meet a client at a local university and they require kids to wear them OUTDOORS between classes!  The world has gone insane!

Also, herd immunity for the rest can be accomplished through natural infection. There's nothing inherently wrong with that for low-risk individuals.