September 3, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: Yeah, my thoughts are show me the hospitalization and death figures. Since, you know, that's the thing that actually matters. So infections don't matter now? No reaction to the fact that the vaccine doesn't appear to prevent infection in the slightest?
September 3, 20214 yr 30 minutes ago, Procus said: Yah, we should put the important decisions about our kids health in the hands of lawyers No, but we should trust lawyer’s opinions about potential liability associated with not following a mandate issued by the state’s health agency over some joe blow in the crowd.
September 3, 20214 yr 24 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Who would have thought a study that claims something is 100% effective at preventing Covid would be flawed?
September 3, 20214 yr Ya know it doesn't work when even QKz refuses to sing its praises as a vaccine alternative.
September 3, 20214 yr 45 minutes ago, Kz! said: So infections don't matter now? No reaction to the fact that the vaccine doesn't appear to prevent infection in the slightest? What do you don't matter "now"? When have I ever been focused on infections in lieu of hospitalizations and deaths?
September 3, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said: At some point, all the trumpbots catch it and there's no more of them left to infect. Did you think hospitalizations would go up forever? seriously, if that tweet is even true (which would be an exception with anything from Kz) it's a lot easier to start decreasing when you're been streaking towards your max hospital capacity for weeks. I wonder if they're starting to reject new unvaccinated Covid patients because there are actually other emergency patients that need attention as well.
September 3, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: Ya know it doesn't work when even QKz refuses to sing its praises as a vaccine alternative. I didn't say that. Because some people in Argentina did a bogus study about it doesn't necessarily mean it's useless. There have been studies about Ivermectin that have been promising, and there have been serious people who believe the drug could be effective in treating Covid. Rogan might be an idiot, but he doesn't make this stuff up out of thin air or by scrolling Q message boards. He's spoken to actual doctors that are optimistic about the drug. That's why I'd like to see more studies on it because alternatives to the vaccine are crucial with close to half the country not wanting them (and the efficacy of them plummeting after a relatively short time period).
September 3, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: What do you don't matter "now"? When have I ever been focused on infections in lieu of hospitalizations and deaths? Convenient. Well, when we're talking about limiting the spread of a disease, case numbers seem to be pretty important to most people. I guess not you, which is fine. To each their own. But when one of the most vaccinated countries on earth is quickly re-implementing Covid mandates because their vaccine isn't preventing cases from exploding, it's a big deal to most people.
September 3, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Phillyterp85 said: Cool. Now show me the hospitalization figures. It's completely disingenuous. #1 it's from July, which predates boosters for the elderly that are showing to be effective. #2, it's a more nuanced form of the base rate fallacy. This article walks through where vaccines are currently effective and where they are less effective, and the statistics around hospitalization better than I could translate: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/08/31/covid-israel-hospitalization-rates-simpsons-paradox/
September 3, 20214 yr 22 minutes ago, Kz! said: Convenient. Well, when we're talking about limiting the spread of a disease, case numbers seem to be pretty important to most people. I guess not you, which is fine. To each their own. But when one of the most vaccinated countries on earth is quickly re-implementing Covid mandates because their vaccine isn't preventing cases from exploding, it's a big deal to most people. No, it's not convenient, it's facts. If the vaccines are only somewhat effective at preventing infection but are very effective at preventing hospitalization and death, why does that matter? Vaccinated people who contract COVID and end up having no symptoms or mild symptoms aren't putting a strain on the healthcare system.
September 3, 20214 yr 31 minutes ago, Kz! said: I didn't say that. Because some people in Argentina did a bogus study about it doesn't necessarily mean it's useless. There have been studies about Ivermectin that have been promising, and there have been serious people who believe the drug could be effective in treating Covid. Rogan might be an idiot, but he doesn't make this stuff up out of thin air or by scrolling Q message boards. He's spoken to actual doctors that are optimistic about the drug. That's why I'd like to see more studies on it because alternatives to the vaccine are crucial with close to half the country not wanting them (and the efficacy of them plummeting after a relatively short time period). I can actually agree with the need to explore options for treatments if someone does get Covid and it turns into a serious case. I know if I was in that spot and started to get really sick I would probably try anything if things got really bad. The problem for me is the idiots pushing these unproven treatments as a replacement for a vaccine and as an excuse why people don't need to get vaxxed.
September 3, 20214 yr Just now, Phillyterp85 said: No, it's not convenient, it's facts. If the vaccines are only somewhat effective at preventing infection but are very effective at preventing hospitalization and death, why does that matter? Vaccinated people who contract COVID and end up having no symptoms or mild symptoms aren't putting a strain on the healthcare system. I'm not asking why lower deaths and hospitalizations matter. They absolutely do, of course. I was explaining why exploding case counts matter.
September 3, 20214 yr The CDC recommends for refugees to take Ivermectin. Before you people freak out, yes, I know they aren't recommending it as a treatment against Covid. It's just funny now that ishlibs refer to the drug that's been prescribed to about 4 billion humans over the years as a "horse medicine" that the cdc is recommending its use in humans.
September 3, 20214 yr 21 minutes ago, Kz! said: The CDC recommends for refugees to take Ivermectin. Before you people freak out, yes, I know they aren't recommending it as a treatment against Covid. It's just funny now that ishlibs refer to the drug that's been prescribed to about 4 billion humans over the years as a "horse medicine" that the cdc is recommending its use in humans. Wow, that's a lot! Must mean it's safe! Oh, wait, over 5 billion vaccine doses have been administered worldwide.
September 3, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, VanHammersly said: Wow, that's a lot! Must mean it's safe! Oh, wait, over 5 billion vaccine doses have been administered worldwide. Very cool, Van! Thanks for sharing.
September 3, 20214 yr 44 minutes ago, Kz! said: The CDC recommends for refugees to take Ivermectin. Before you people freak out, yes, I know they aren't recommending it as a treatment against Covid. It's just funny now that ishlibs refer to the drug that's been prescribed to about 4 billion humans over the years as a "horse medicine" that the cdc is recommending its use in humans. Who is saying that the drug cant be used for humans? It is an anti parasitic drug used to fight off ringworm or tapeworms. The issue is people taking Ivermectin designed for use in horses and livestock, which has a much, much higher dosage rate then the one used in humans. Either way it is a stupid to use a anti parasitic drug to treat a virus.
September 3, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Kz! said: I didn't say that. Because some people in Argentina did a bogus study about it doesn't necessarily mean it's useless. There have been studies about Ivermectin that have been promising, and there have been serious people who believe the drug could be effective in treating Covid. Rogan might be an idiot, but he doesn't make this stuff up out of thin air or by scrolling Q message boards. He's spoken to actual doctors that are optimistic about the drug. That's why I'd like to see more studies on it because alternatives to the vaccine are crucial with close to half the country not wanting them (and the efficacy of them plummeting after a relatively short time period). 30% is close to half? Mmmkay
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