20 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Has it been approved for use in Japan yet? 

You're right.  The article that said it was officially approved for use in Japan by the Japanese bureaucracy was incorrect.  Rather, the Tokyo Medical Association urged its use for fighting Covid due to its successful results in doing so.  

So what you're saying is that people in Japan should NOT listen to their doctors. 

3 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

Trump > Biden and its not close.  History will reflect that

Explain how that is so?  You may like Trump's "policies", but the guy is a bully and a dick -- hhahah "lock her up".    Made fun of POWs  -- so funny.      He is not sincere or earnest.  He just panders to a specific hard core base.  And doesn't believe half the stuff he says -- like he really won the election.   

History will reflect that he was impeached twice (should have been convicted at least once), and that he lied about election results to his base, leading to an attack on legislators in session in congress.    YOU IGNORE ALL THAT?

Not liking dems or Biden's policies is not even relevant when you look at the horrendous stuff Trump did in office (and out of office).  

At least Biden, even if he Fs up, has at least good intentions (that is, he means well and doesn't intend to be a dick).  Trump's intentions were to enhance his own image, look good on TV, get the base to suck up to him and enhance his personal finances.    Seriously -- if you don't see that, you are blind.

7 minutes ago, Procus said:

You're confusing Florida with Jersey

New Jersey is an embarrassment to the mid-Atlantic. Florida is an embarrassment to the entire country. 

It's like being champion of the Big 10 vs. being National Champion.

20 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

I personally don't care.  I'll be just fine and Idgaf about any of this political nonsense

The issue is framing to the world. Lots of people are stupid, and even intelligent people can get stuck in an echo chamber and not be aware of it

Does the left want to be better? They claim to be, and they've been dope morons on this topic creating more division

How about "We've been working hard on determining whether human doses of Ivermectin is beneficial for Covid. Right now we don't know enough yet, and we certainly wouldn't advise it as a substitute to the vaccine."

Instead I see morons dissent any reasonably interested person looking for hopeful treatment options as a horse paste eater everywhere online

 

Demand Surges for Deworming Drug for Covid, Despite Scant Evidence It Works

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/30/health/covid-ivermectin-prescriptions.html

A recent review of 14 ivermectin studies, with more than 1,600 participants, concluded that none provided evidence of the drug’s ability to prevent Covid, improve patient conditions or reduce mortality.

A Texas preschooler died from COVID-19 just hours after first showing symptoms.

 

The girl's mother, Karra Harwood, was diagnosed Monday with the coronavirus and isolated from her children, including 4-year-old daughter Kali Cook, but the girl developed a fever around 2 a.m. Tuesday, which her family gave her medicine to relieve, and she died in her sleep before 7 a.m., reported The (Galveston County) Daily News.

The girl was too young to be eligible for vaccines, and Kali's mother said she regrets not being among the 60 percent of the county's eligible residents to get vaccinated.

"I was one of the people that was anti, I was against it," Harwood said. "Now, I wish I never was."

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

New Jersey is an embarrassment to the mid-Atlantic. Florida is an embarrassment to the entire country. 

It's like being champion of the Big 10 vs. being National Champion.

In Florida, you'll get excellent care in the Boca-Delray area and University of Miami hospital.  I do miss the quality of the medical care in Philly, although these days you can get mugged on your way to the hospital.

11 minutes ago, Procus said:

You're right.  The article that said it was officially approved for use in Japan by the Japanese bureaucracy was incorrect.  Rather, the Tokyo Medical Association urged its use for fighting Covid due to its successful results in doing so.  

So what you're saying is that people in Japan should NOT listen to their doctors. 

I'm saying you lied about it being approved in Japan.

On to the next question, for prophylactic purposes, which provides better protection against covid, the vaccine or ivermectin?

21 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

You do realize the people posting the funny comments are not the same people that do medical research, right?

 

 

 

21 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

Because taking an unknown drug instead of the vaccine is silly. 

Please, point to where I said that

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/09/10/pfizer-biontech-to-seek-approval-for-first-covid-vaccine-for-young-children-in-next-few-weeks/?sh=370db8932337

The founders of BioNTech, which worked with Pfizer to develop the vaccine, told German newsweekly Der Spiegel that the company will file the results of its trial of the vaccine in children between five and 11 years old and request approval of the vaccine globally "over the next few weeks.”

"Things are looking good, everything is going according to plan,” said BioNTech’s chief executive, Ugur Sahin, noting that the raw data is currently being prepared for regulatory filing. 

Özlem Tureci, BioNTech’s chief medical officer, said the companies are working to produce smaller doses of the vaccine in preparation for approval by authorities.

What about children under 5?

18 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

 

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"I was one of the people that was anti, I was against it," Harwood said. "Now, I wish I never was."

I hope it was worth it, mam. 

5 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

What about children under 5?

Prior timelines pegged the 6mos - 4yr age group a couple months behind the 5-11 age group. So maybe a filing in November, and approval 4-8 weeks after that. Though the FDA has been bearish on follow ups and enrollment sizes late in the game, so there's a chance some idiots like Meissner will be able to convince others on the advisory committee to stall until a 6 month follow up is completed which is absolutely F'ing insane given what we know about how fast this is spreading in schools.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Prior timelines pegged the 6mos - 4 age group a couple months behind the 5-11 age group. So maybe a filing in November, and approval 4-8 weeks after that. Though the FDA has been bearish on follow ups and enrollment sizes late in the game, so there's a chance some idiots will like Meissner will be able to convince others on the advisory committee to stall until a 6 month follow up is completed which is absolutely F'ing insane given what we know about how fast this is spreading in schools.

What are you reading about the level of severity of infection among kids?

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Prior timelines pegged the 6mos - 4yr age group a couple months behind the 5-11 age group. So maybe a filing in November, and approval 4-8 weeks after that. Though the FDA has been bearish on follow ups and enrollment sizes late in the game, so there's a chance some idiots like Meissner will be able to convince others on the advisory committee to stall until a 6 month follow up is completed which is absolutely F'ing insane given what we know about how fast this is spreading in schools.

Damn, should have had my kids sooner.

2 minutes ago, Procus said:

What are you reading about the level of severity of infection among kids?

Answer my question first and then I'll answer yours:

 

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On to the next question, for prophylactic purposes, which provides better protection against covid, the vaccine or ivermectin?

 

8 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

I hope it was worth it, mam. 

By the objective results, an absolutely massive statistical anomaly, and the article infers there's a chance she had an underlying condition. She wasn't eligible for a vaccine either

If we get plenty of data that shows the opportunity cost of the vaccine is worth it, then sure, let kids get them

But the average person thinks their chances of dying from covid are 1000x higher than reality. That's a problem. We don't need to fear monger

Just now, mattmcginley7 said:

By the objective results, an absolutely massive statistical anomaly, and the article infers there's a chance she had an underlying condition. She wasn't eligible for a vaccine either

If we get plenty of data that shows the opportunity cost of the vaccine is worth it, then sure, let kids get them

But the average person thinks their chances of dying from covid are 1000x higher than normal. That's a problem. We don't need to fear monger

There was no logical reason for her mother not to get the vaccine other than being "anti". She will forever have to wonder what would have happened if she got that vaccine instead of being a moron.

3 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

By the objective results, an absolutely massive statistical anomaly, and the article infers there's a chance she had an underlying condition. She wasn't eligible for a vaccine either

If we get plenty of data that shows the opportunity cost of the vaccine is worth it, then sure, let kids get them

But the average person thinks their chances of dying from covid are 1000x higher than normal. That's a problem. We don't need to fear monger

My experience has been the opposite. Most people don’t take it seriously.

1 minute ago, Dave Moss said:

My experience has been the opposite. Most people don’t take it seriously.

I've seen a lot of both from people I know personally. It's been all or nothing

19 minutes ago, Procus said:

What are you reading about the level of severity of infection among kids?

See my post about the dead girl above.  Also, and I have posted this before, there is two infants in the NICU at one of our local hospitals fighting for their lives from Covid at the moment.

44 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

 

 

 

Please, point to where I said that

Yeah the guy that runs the FDAs Twitter account is also not the one doing that type of research.

What a POS. Brazenly undermining state rights.

It's one thing that the elderly were very sick with this disease and most were at the end of their life.  To see kids now getting sicker and some are dying is just pure lunacy.   That is sad.  No posting sad stories on Friday's!

Just now, Kz! said:

What a POS. Brazenly undermining state rights.

Great job by a man of action.