Yep, I highly doubt they abolish it either. 

Hahahahaha will we add Jordan Matthews to our list of guys we are trying to covert to TE??? 
 

And just so I’m not asked I’m 100% joking on this I don’t want Jmatt back for another stint hope him the best of luck just not in philly 

I think we’re putting too much pressure on Hurts in a rebuilding year. He’s a hard worker, with a great attitude so we should cut him some slack early in the season and evaluate him when it’s over and we have to decide what to do in next year’s draft.  

12 hours ago, eggs said:

I think we’re putting too much pressure on Hurts in a rebuilding year. He’s a hard worker, with a great attitude so we should cut him some slack early in the season and evaluate him when it’s over and we have to decide what to do in next year’s draft.  

Pressure is there regardless unfortunately for Hurts he is in a spot where he likely has to show he is the franchise guy with no doubts moving forward and that won’t be easy. 

Eagles next offseason with likely have 3 first rounders have options in the draft and Watson will likely be an option by that time(and who knows who else)…Would we stick with Hurts as our QB if we still have concerns on him being the franchise guy after a full season as the starter???? Idk.

Hurts does have somethings going for him though. 
Not a ton of film on him and he likely makes strides as a passer if he becomes just avg. passer with his legs that is dangerous.

Siri offense is still unknown this can be good and bad but assuming Siri is a good coach/play caller teams don’t know what to expect from him yet.

Hurts has a pretty decent group on guys on offense… Health will play a huge factor but next season have should have a good OL… Geodart is at least a top 10 TE Sanders likely around the top 15 RBs… WRs are tricky but if Slim Reaper lives up to expectations we should be alright 

On 7/12/2021 at 5:53 AM, cunninghamtheman said:

According to NFL advanced stats, 12 of Hurts 71 incompletions were throwaways, one was a spike and four were drops. Remove the throwaways and the spike and turn the drops into catches and he’s right at 60 percent.

If you're gonna pick and chose your stats you have to do it with all NFL QBs. That way you can see how he really stacks up against  other young QBs

It's fair to say there are players in the Eagles locker room who look at the same glass Johnson sees and view it as half empty. They were given a voice by former NFL fullback and current NFL Network analyst Michael Robinson.

"I'm not going to say any names, but I know some guys in that locker room who they question this guy and they question he can truly lead this team,"

More of these unnamed sources.

If you're gonna open your mouth you should have the balls to sign your name to your statement.

17 hours ago, eggs said:

I think we’re putting too much pressure on Hurts in a rebuilding year. He’s a hard worker, with a great attitude so we should cut him some slack early in the season and evaluate him when it’s over and we have to decide what to do in next year’s draft.  

LOL are you new to EAGLES football?

17 hours ago, eggs said:

I think we’re putting too much pressure on Hurts in a rebuilding year. He’s a hard worker, with a great attitude so we should cut him some slack early in the season and evaluate him when it’s over and we have to decide what to do in next year’s draft.  

True….. bad team, short term rebuilding HC….seems easy to root for to me. Guy has a great attitude and works hard. Absolutely fine with giving him a shot. I think he’s going to surprise many. No doubt the pressure is on though.

8 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

If you're gonna pick and chose your stats you have to do it with all NFL QBs. That way you can see how he really stacks up against  other young QBs

I’d say our WR were at the bottom of the league last year. Oline was in shambles. Not sure anyone needed to throw the ball away at a higher rate than our QB. Maybe I’ll Darnold. Think it was definitely seeming like a positive for him to throw the ball away. If Wentz would have thrown it away when the play was busted everything might have been different. 

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’d say our WR were at the bottom of the league last year. Oline was in shambles. Not sure anyone needed to throw the ball away at a higher rate than our QB. Maybe I’ll Darnold. Think it was definitely seeming like a positive for him to throw the ball away. If Wentz would have thrown it away when the play was busted everything might have been different. 

But then you want to use down in games taken shots as a plus for Hurts as well… Yet Wentz did that in most games this year but he is faulted for not throwing the ball away???

Idk seems like a massive double standard you have for Hurts and Wentz play 

19 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

If you're gonna pick and chose your stats you have to do it with all NFL QBs. That way you can see how he really stacks up against  other young QBs

Just to further this point drew lock had the second highest drop rate from WR behind…. Carson Wentz.

14 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

It's fair to say there are players in the Eagles locker room who look at the same glass Johnson sees and view it as half empty. They were given a voice by former NFL fullback and current NFL Network analyst Michael Robinson.

"I'm not going to say any names, but I know some guys in that locker room who they question this guy and they question he can truly lead this team,"

More of these unnamed sources.

If you're gonna open your mouth you should have the balls to sign your name to your statement.

LOL are you new to EAGLES football?

I’m not huge into Siri as the HC choice either. Really kind of leaning towards the FO as choosing him so he canbuild up our pass catchers. That’s supposedly his specialty. We have a DC known for being a DB specialist. So looking for him build our coverage guys. FO is clearly going to steamroll him though. Could be a tough situation….real quick. If we start 1-6…..can Siri still hold it together? If you have to fire him mid season….who would you turn to?

3 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Just to further this point drew lock had the second highest drop rate from WR behind…. Carson Wentz.

 

3 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Just to further this point drew lock had the second highest drop rate from WR behind…. Carson Wentz.

Exactly…,our WR were that bad.

7 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

But then you want to use down in games taken shots as a plus for Hurts as well… Yet Wentz did that in most games this year but he is faulted for not throwing the ball away???

Idk seems like a massive double standard you have for Hurts and Wentz play 

Yeah….if you’re down two scores in the fourth….I’d rather you try and force something than just throw it away. At that point much less to even lose.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Yeah….if you’re down two scores in the fourth….I’d rather you try and force something than just throw it away. At that point much less to even lose.

And how many games was Wentz down in this year???

Just to further stats 12 games Wentz had 21 throw aways 1 spike 23 dropped passes that’s from advanced stats same as Hurts 

Two seconds before the half…you throw up a Hail Mary that’s intercepted because you were out of field goal range. Does anyone really have a problem with that? Obviously desire a more positive outcome but……that’s where relying on stats can be flawed. WR drops I don’t count against the QB. Alshon’s had that drop in the playoffs and the guy intercepted it to seal the game. I don’t blame Foles for the interception or incompletion.

To me that stuff matters. So I’d say you need to pick and choose the stats. Raw generalizing stats can tell some things but….fairly imperfect. I do believe in more advanced statistical analysis most of the time. 

The advanced stats for Hurts that concerns me more are..

bad throws 26.7% and on target throws 60.7%

Comparison going to use other bad QB play

Wentz BT-21.7% OnT-70.4%
Lock 22.9% and 68.9%

Darnold 18.2% and 71.8%

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

To me that stuff matters. So I’d say you need to pick and choose the stats. Raw generalizing stats can tell some things but….fairly imperfect. I do believe in more advanced statistical analysis most of the time. 

Lmao but you only pick snd choose the stats that fit your narrative and leave off everyone else or no count the stats that need to be used 

If the QB hit the RB for a one yard completion but the WR was wide open downfield….stats aren’t usually telling you how bad that mistake was by the QB.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

If the QB hit the RB for a one yard completion but the WR was wide open downfield….stats aren’t usually telling you how bad that mistake was by the QB.

Lot of factors in that sentence still that are not accounted for it’s a generalization still lmao it’s easy to say on hindsight on WR was open down field…

Was the QB looking that direction??? What’s the pressure looking like??? Is he scrambling the opposite direction of the WR and just dumped the ball off??? 

General stats aren’t perfect no stats are everything can be broken down further to evaluate but generally speaking good players put up good stats they are a pretty solid indicator of a player has played well or not 

4 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

The advanced stats for Hurts that concerns me more are..

bad throws 26.7% and on target throws 60.7%

Comparison going to use other bad QB play

Wentz BT-21.7% OnT-70.4%
Lock 22.9% and 68.9%

Darnold 18.2% and 71.8%

Lmao but you only pick snd choose the stats that fit your narrative and leave off everyone else or no count the stats that need to be used 

To me you do this. It’s all based on opinion. 
 

Playing alongside a bunch of unproven rookies and aging veterans, the dude threw for 338 and 342 yards in his second and third career starts. Which makes him the second QB in NFL history to throw for 335 or more yards twice in his first three starts. And his 847 yards are the sixth-most ever by a rookie in his first three starts. 

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

To me you do this. It’s all based on opinion. 
 

Playing alongside a bunch of unproven rookies and aging veterans, the dude threw for 338 and 342 yards in his second and third career starts. Which makes him the second QB in NFL history to throw for 335 or more yards twice in his first three starts. And his 847 yards are the sixth-most ever by a rookie in his first three starts. 

Lmao I don’t I watch the games you could easily see the accuracy issues with Hurts but you just love to throw out the base stats that fit your narrative like total yards.

In his first three starts — the only three games he’s ever played start to finish — Hurts completed 55 percent of his passes with five TDs and two INTs. He’s one of only 10 quarterbacks in NFL history to put up those numbers in his first three starts as a rookie.

 

In his first three starts, Hurts had a higher completion percentage than Peyton Manning, Johnny Unitas and Steve Young, threw more TDs than Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray or Cam Newton and was picked off less than Troy Aikman, Josh Allen or Andrew Luck.

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

To me you do this. It’s all based on opinion. 
 

Playing alongside a bunch of unproven rookies and aging veterans, the dude threw for 338 and 342 yards in his second and third career starts. Which makes him the second QB in NFL history to throw for 335 or more yards twice in his first three starts. And his 847 yards are the sixth-most ever by a rookie in his first three starts. 

Don’t want to talk about being down forced to throw in those games big play from a screen from Watkins??? Playing two of the worst defenses in football??? For a guy that loves to talk about the situations and not generalizing you sure love to general those stats lol 

Difference between us is I’m not blind to the massive faults of Hurts right now by no means am I saying he can’t improve but he needs to make massive strides in the area as a passer he was way below avg.