20 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Until he gets his head slammed into the ground or gets his ankles busted up by 350 pound lineman landing on them

Really it looked to me like hit  the turf harder against the Bills

Cumulative effect of the hits i guess.

9 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

well, always easy to run when noone is aware you are. I would prefer a pop screen on those plays to keep my QB from taking hits. usually there is RB in the backfield when they take off to help block. Scott is out? O

Yes Hurts is human like all the others. All that "lethal" you speak of just went down the drain. How "lethal" is Tua right now/

Don’t see the comparison of a very durable hurts and an injury prone Tua. Seems like opposite extremes of availability qualities.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Tartt just wasn’t anything special. I wanted to release him. Didn’t seem like he was thriving here either. But why go with a vet that has shown his limited ceiling when you could go with any number of young unproven players that you actually have potential to be something more? Just don’t see Tartt as above average. So I roll out three young guys to battle. Give the best one a shot and develop him. Shouldn’t be much of a dropoff from Tartt anyway….but you create a future and hopefully an eventual upgrade. We don’t play the same D as Santa Clara Niners. All reports were Tartt was topping out at third string…before Ceedy Deuce was added via trade.

You didn't read my post(as usual) I never said he was special I said he was useful in SPECIAL SITUATIONS and there are/were not enough of those to warrant keeping him. However if you love guys that hit Tartt fits that bill

Just now, Asg 15 said:

Really it looked to me like hit  the turf harder against the Bills

Cumulative effect of the hits i guess.

Wentz took alot of hits too,we thought he was superman,until he wasn't, so I would like to avoid hits on Hurts and why I like seeing him doing "pass first" Tua was on his way up,until he wasn't. I don;t wish to see a rerun with Hurts

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Wentz took alot of hits too,we thought he was superman,until he wasn't, so I would like to avoid hits on Hurts and why I like seeing him doing "pass first" Tua was on his way up,until he wasn't. I don;t wish to see a rerun with Hurts

Yeah i think Clowney scrambled his head.

He was just never the same.

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Didn’t seem like he was thriving here either.

LMFAO he was here what 2 weeks and 3 days? You can't thrive in that amount of time. Hell he was lucky to find his way to practice in that time LOL

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Don’t see the comparison of a very durable hurts and an injury prone Tua. Seems like opposite extremes of availability qualities.

Tua was durable until he took multiple hits,but you think Hurts is superman so whatever and BTW Miami was foolish to let him play after 4 days of being concussed before that

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/tua-tagovailoa-injury-history/1jkj193wgdml41xpwcfsdkg1nf  IDK Ham taking multiple hits to different body parts,yet coming back EVERY time to play again is not durable???

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

See? You heap praises on Ped for "calling the play" yet the guy who got us into position win a SB was crap because he executed said plays. And say what you want Wentz was balling until he got hurt multiple times. Some guys never DO return to 100% and or they change their play style to protect themselves and never ball out again. So there are alot of factors you overlook at times. But now we have seen Wentz fail in Indy and fail with the wuss,so he is not the same caliber player we had. I suspect he ends up as a BU very soon

Very good. Your catching up. But inaccurate to say I ever didn’t acknowledge how on fire Wentz was in 2017. He finished 2019 on a hot four game stretch. He played unbelievable in that patch of his career. I just had to realize the rest of his career also. He just wasn’t the ceiling version of himself much. So many were caught up because he did that…. thinking he was that. He just won’t adapt which makes him not very good now. But much is on his ego and personality also. Players didn’t play for him. In 2016 and 2017 I think he was a sponge for hard coaching. Then think he believed his own hype and became near uncoachable. Can’t just bottle great play from years ago and open it today. NFL it’s all about what you are this play. Right now. That part he’s struggling. He’s a coach killer type.

7 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Really it looked to me like hit  the turf harder against the Bills

Cumulative effect of the hits i guess.

How many concussion has Tua suffered I wonder? 

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/tua-tagovailoa-injury-history/1jkj193wgdml41xpwcfsdkg1nf  IDK Ham taking multiple hits to different body parts,yet coming back EVERY time to play again is not durable???

So he had a thumb injury in his pro career but suddenly he is injury prone? lol The thumb bone is connected to the concussion bone?

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Then think he believed his own hype and became near uncoachable

So there it is then, it's not the lack of talent(although he was never the same after multiple injuries) it's his mentality so don't confuse the 2. Wentz is like eli manning,if you get to him early you rattle him and he is done for the rest of the game and thats what we did. if you recall we had Eli's number every tear we played them

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

How many concussion has Tua suffered I wonder? 

1 is too many and if a team rushes them back thats on the team,I fully hold the Fins org responsible for this weeks Tua concuss. I hope they get sued and the rules are changed

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

How many concussion has Tua suffered I wonder? 

Only God knows cuz his coaches sure aren't gonna say

12 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

You didn't read my post(as usual) I never said he was special I said he was useful in SPECIAL SITUATIONS and there are/were not enough of those to warrant keeping him. However if you love guys that hit Tartt fits that bill

So what special situation does Tartt excel in for us you thinking? Not coverage. Not intercepting the ball hitting him in the hands. Not blitzing. To me he’s a S that brings less to the table than our LB. 

I'm all for rock'em sock 'em football but not when you put at risk players into at risk situations. When you get into concussion protocol,they need an extension of "time off" 4 days is not enough in ANY decent doctors book

https://www.sportingnews.com/uk/amp/nfl/news/tua-tagovailoa-injury-history/1jkj193wgdml41xpwcfsdkg1nf

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Not blitzing

Oh he can blitz and lock down an end run by a RB NP. He loves contact,but A) we're not really a  SAFETY blitzing team B) no he's not the coverage type and we like hybrids that can do both,so NP that he went away,but don't just write him off as nobody

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

https://www.sportingnews.com/uk/amp/nfl/news/tua-tagovailoa-injury-history/1jkj193wgdml41xpwcfsdkg1nf

I already posted his injury history try to keep up

5 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So there it is then, it's not the lack of talent(although he was never the same after multiple injuries) it's his mentality so don't confuse the 2. Wentz is like eli manning,if you get to him early you rattle him and he is done for the rest of the game and thats what we did. if you recall we had Eli's number every tear we played them

I never said he lacked talent. I more pointed out how there are so many things that come with the job of QB1 than a strong arm. Where’s your boy with the strong arm Strong? If you were correct about the job requirements he’d be our starter. Yet think he’s selling hot tubs out in Utah now. 

So of those how many have kept him out of playing for any given season? What is your definition of "durable"? A guy that never gets hit? Ho0w do you know he is durable if he never gets hit? lol

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Oh he can blitz and lock down an end run by a RB NP. He loves contact,but A) we're not really a  SAFETY blitzing team B) no he's not the coverage type and we like hybrids that can do both,so NP that he went away,but don't just write him off as nobody

I already posted his injury history try to keep up

Everybody wrote him off as nobody. Picked him up off the street. Sent him back on the street. It’s clearly a league wide viewpoint. He’ll probably get another job once a team gets hammered at the position and is desperate.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I never said he lacked talent. I more pointed out how there are so many things that come with the job of QB1 than a strong arm. Where’s your boy with the strong arm Strong? If you were correct about the job requirements he’d be our starter. Yet think he’s selling hot tubs out in Utah now. 

LMAO yeah pick on a hurt kid expecting him to be Arod 2.0,he will be back in some capacity sometime. You enjoy picking on hurt kids? Shameful and BTW WTF does Strong have to do with anything except you taking yet another childish cheap shot at me?(Is this your new style?)

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Everybody wrote him off as nobody. Picked him up off the street. Sent him back on the street. It’s clearly a league wide viewpoint. He’ll probably get another job once a team gets hammered at the position and is desperate.

Clearly,until he gets a job somewhere LOL

I guess your "mood" shifted back to cheapshot attack mode? OK cool I can defend myself just fine,yet you still refuse to answer what your definition of "durable" is

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Everybody wrote him off as nobody. Picked him up off the street. Sent him back on the street. It’s clearly a league wide viewpoint. He’ll probably get another job once a team gets hammered at the position and is desperate.

If he was nobody why did we pick him up off the street AT ALL?? Just for kicks??? The scouting dept was bored? What?

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

See? You heap praises on Ped for "calling the play" yet the guy who got us into position win a SB was crap because he executed said plays. And say what you want Wentz was balling until he got hurt multiple times. Some guys never DO return to 100% and or they change their play style to protect themselves and never ball out again. So there are alot of factors you overlook at times. But now we have seen Wentz fail in Indy and fail with the wuss,so he is not the same caliber player we had. I suspect he ends up as a BU very soon

I overlooked nothing. Fully acknowledge the two heat streaks Wentz was on with us. Just was living in reality to know that’s all it was. In 2020 he was never going to be 2017 Wentz again. Actually wouldn’t be the worst. He does have extreme talent. But he has to be coachable. He has to adapt his game to who he is now. If he could do that he could be very serviceable again. Don’t think it will happen though. He’s too rigid. But I never said Wentz wasn’t the MVP in 2017 before he Got injured. I even added his hot streak in 2019 at the end of the season. But you can’t ignore the other games. Can’t ignore the flaws. They grew even greater after injury.

  Really could compare Foles. Not the same talent level. But he had that record setting game throwing all those TDs against the Raiders. Was it 7? He had that whole season when he took over where his stats were amazing. Then had the SB run. Playoffs the next year. I would hold his career higher than the much more talented Wentz. Players loved him. Built a shrine in the locker room. I don’t know…actually won a playoff game. Is what it is. Big athletic guy with strong arm isn’t enough for the position. I’m going to beat this into your head until it gets through. Never a better time than being an Eagles fan. Watched Wentz takeover for Bradford. Both top pick elite QB measurables. Both not very good. Hurts with less god given ability is so much more than either of those guys. Even your boy CarsonStrong. Can’t be laid out any simpler to understand than exactly what we’ve been watching. Need the arm. But need the other twenty traits as well. Exactly what’s happened here. No idea what you’ve been watching and not seeing this clear as day. Been a clinic. Hurts the underestimated professor. Loving where we are at now.