6 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Lmao because your making no sense at all... Mcnabb was #2 pick sat behind Doug Pederson why is that??? We didn’t have an entrenched starter he wasn’t making more and we drafted Mcnabb in round 1 by your logic he should have had to be the starter 

Because Pederson was the paid starter? I give up lmfao

7 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I mean I can believe that. Wentz did seem to struggle with the screen. It was very ineffective with Wentz. Some QBs do things better than others. Wentz did some things other QBs couldn't. 

I am thinking that Ham may have been right. He was never the same after the concuss

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Because Pederson was the paid starter? I give up lmfao

Lmao so didn’t matter that Mcnabb was paid more or drafted #2 you make no damn sense at all... 

We paid Chase Daniels and Sam Bradford startering money but went to Wentz mmm 

35 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Do we have an established QB under center now that I’m missing??? 

No but we have someone that has potential to be.  In ‘99 we had Pederson as the veteran placeholder until McNabb was ready.  

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Lmao so didn’t matter that Mcnabb was paid more or drafted #2 you make no damn sense at all... 

We paid Chase Daniels and Sam Bradford startering money but went to Wentz mmm 

SO if were paying Hurts 34 million a year and his career was winding down, once again your point would be valid and a QB in round 1 would be in order. If you take one this draft HE WILL START and HURTS WILL SIT because they are both on ROOK contracts

21 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

So why wasn’t Herbert a day 1 starter or Mcnabb??? Who was the entrenched starter for them why were they drafted round 1 

They were expected to be starters eventually. You don’t take a player in the 1st without expecting them to be your starter, especially a QB taken top 10.  

3 minutes ago, time2rock said:

No but we have someone that has potential to be.  In ‘99 we had Pederson as the veteran placeholder until McNabb was ready.  

yes we were PAYING Ped to start,this is what 93 doesn't get lol

Just now, time2rock said:

They were expected to be starters eventually. You don’t take a player in the 1st without expecting them to be your starter, especially a QB taken top 10.  

100% agree I fully expect my QB to be the starter but doesn’t mean he has to start day 1 

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

yes were were PAYING Ped to start,this is what 93 doesn't get lol

He was just a veteran placeholder holding down the spot until 5 was ready.  If we only had someone like Fitzpatrick on the team then the situation would be similar but that’s not the case here.  Apples to oranges like you said.  

1 minute ago, time2rock said:

He was just a veteran placeholder holding down the spot until 5 was ready.  If we only had someone like Fitzpatrick on the team then the situation would be similar but that’s not the case here.  Apples to oranges like you said.  

Yes, you understand

4 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

100% agree I fully expect my QB to be the starter but doesn’t mean he has to start day 1 

Oh man lol Time( I will call you TTR from now on), take this one HAHAHAHA

11 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

100% agree I fully expect my QB to be the starter but doesn’t mean he has to start day 1 

Don’t get me wrong I don’t think there are any wrong answers (other than taking a P in the 1st haha!).  If we do end up going QB early I’ll get behind it and hope like hell be turns into everything we want him to be and leads us on deep playoff runs yearly for a decade.  

17 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Don’t get me wrong I don’t think there are any wrong answers (other than taking a P in the 1st haha!).  If we do end up going QB early I’ll get behind it and hope like hell be turns into everything we want him to be and leads us on deep playoff runs yearly for a decade.  

Don’t think there is 1 way to do it either but rather give me more the. 1 egg at QB and best bet on getting that franchise QB is a high pick.

Id much rather do it now drafting top 10 over finding out damn Hurts isn’t the answer next year picking mid range 15ish in the draft and having to sell the farm to move up to get a QB(and this is my worse case scenario) then I’d rather keep as much draft capital as possible the next few years 

18 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Don’t get me wrong I don’t think there are any wrong answers (other than taking a P in the 1st haha!).  If we do end up going QB early I’ll get behind it and hope like hell be turns into everything we want him to be and leads us on deep playoff runs yearly for a decade.  

The one thing I like is that the team was able to identify Wentz over Goff in the year they came out, and it is undeniable that Wentz was a physically gifted QB. So I am upbeat about their ability to identify talent at the position.

I worry, though, because apparently Lurie was heavily involved in the Wentz decision, and that may have led to him being more involved in recent decisions, namely the Hurts pick. So we may be in a position where we take a QB because the owner wants us to.

2 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

The one thing I like is that the team was able to identify Wentz over Goff in the year they came out, and it is undeniable that Wentz was a physically gifted QB. So I am upbeat about their ability to identify talent at the position.

I worry, though, because apparently Lurie was heavily involved in the Wentz decision, and that may have led to him being more involved in recent decisions, namely the Hurts pick. So we may be in a position where we take a QB because the owner wants us to.

So how far, and what will you give up to move into 2,3,4??? 

Teams looking at QB- Jax,Jets, Houston,Carolina,Denver(I dont think they are thrilled with who they have).pats, possibly the Saints with Brees retiring soon,Washington,possibly Pittsburg and Atl because theirs are getting up there. You'd have to beat all these other team offers(and you have 10 minutes to do it) GL with that and after 4 measley games with a trash team we are already writing off Hurts as "not the guy". Got it. OH forgot about Seattle if Wilson gets traded

9 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

The one thing I like is that the team was able to identify Wentz over Goff in the year they came out, and it is undeniable that Wentz was a physically gifted QB. So I am upbeat about their ability to identify talent at the position.

I worry, though, because apparently Lurie was heavily involved in the Wentz decision, and that may have led to him being more involved in recent decisions, namely the Hurts pick. So we may be in a position where we take a QB because the owner wants us to.

To me this is the year to secure QB Hurts and a top pick we are in a great position to do so and won’t have to sell much if anything to get it done.

Then you have rest of the 21 draft to fill holes all your picks in 22 to build the cast and cap to spend 

And while some of these will be fixed with the QB's leaving other teams, we still have alot of teams to outdeal 

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So how far, and what will you give up to move into 2,3,4??? 

There's a pretty established formula for moving up in the draft. The Bears paid 600 points to move up one spot to grab Trubitsky at 2, so a total of 2,800 points. If we wanted the second pick, it would likely cost us #6, plus our second round pick, both thirds and another late pick.

I don't see us doing that. I could see us moving up to 4, but that's it. And that would likely cost us a third unless someone outbids us.  

4 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

cap to spend 

What cap would that be?

3 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

There's a pretty established formula for moving up in the draft. The Bears paid 600 points to move up one spot to grab Trubitsky at 2, so a total of 2,800 points. If we wanted the second pick, it would likely cost us #6, plus our second round pick, both thirds and another late pick.

I don't see us doing that. I could see us moving up to 4, but that's it. And that would likely cost us a third unless someone outbids us.  

I suppose that is possible if you are totally convinced Hurts is not the guy. But then again you will create another QB controversy as soon as the new golden boy has a bad game. That will cause locker room disruptions and seems pointless to try IMO when we don't even know what Hurts can do with some supporting cast,not the BS team we put on the field in the final 4 weeks

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

What cap would that be?

Our cap opens up in 22 if you finished quoting me not leaving stuff out 

3 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Our cap opens up in 22 if you finished quoting me not leaving stuff out 

So what is our 22 cap space? Personally I have no clue

8 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

To me this is the year to secure QB Hurts and a top pick we are in a great position to do so and won’t have to sell much if anything to get it done.

Then you have rest of the 21 draft to fill holes all your picks in 22 to build the cast and cap to spend 

It's definitely the biggest issue facing the team. It comes down to - how do they like the qbs they can get this year, what they think of Hurts, and what are you sacrificing at 6. If Chase or Pitts turns into Calvin Johnson, and Fields/Lance/Wilson is Josh Rosen, then I disagree with you. If Fields/Lance/Wilson is Josh Allen, Watson or Mahomes, you do what you have to do to grab them. Unless Hurts is Dak Prescott.

Time will tell.  

I will go with Hurts, see what he does, fill holes this year and with the unknown cap space I have in '22, I will go for Wilson as DC stated if Hurts doesn't get it done. But I will give Hurts his shot before I "auto replace" him