Its not his arm strength its the fact that he isnt comfortable with the offense or his targets yet

Hurts arm is no weaker than Bradys or Mannings. Case closed.  Thats all you need to know.

8 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

There’s 3 QBs in the NFC North I’d take over Hurts… 

1. Rodgers 

2. Fields 

3. you guessed it… Foles baby!

I’m definitely taking Hurts over Dalton and I’m giving him a slight edge over Goff and Cousins.

 I’ll probably change my mind next week 

I’d take Hurts over Fields all day.

We’re about to see if Fields can play, though. He has looked completely lost against 1st and 2nd stringers thus far.

ESPN was upset Cousins was chosen over RGMe and the narrative has stuck ever since. Cousins isn’t great, but he’s on the Derek Carr level. He’s easily the 2nd best QB in the NFC North.

I think a real simple set of questions regarding Jalen Hurts are:

If he couldn't run the ball, would he be considered a good quarterback?     What did he do on Sunday that Flacco or Minshew couldn't do? 

I'm not saying either is the answer but not one part of Hurts actual quarterback game told me that he is capable of being a franchise quarterback.  

I've made it clear that I was always a Wentz fan but I also want Hurts to be the guy.  I want him to be special.  However,  I'm looking at this objectively.  I watched the Chargers game and said damn, would be nice to have a quarterback with arm talent that Hertbert has.  Are any other teams fans watching the Eagles saying boy if we could only find a Jalen Hurts for our team?  

Hurts is a leader, his teammates love him, his coach wears his t-shirt, he did some incredible things at the college level and the Philly media has now propped him up with untouchable swag.  What he doesn't appear to be however, is a great quarterback.  I'm not throwing in the towel on him yet.  Let's see how they respond next week.  Let's see if they use the middle of the field.  Sirianni has to be seeing the same things we do.  Can he coach up Hurts?  No doubt in my mind that Hurts will work to be better.  Will that translate to the field is the unknown. 

43 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

His arm is no weaker than Brees or Brady , he has to process faster and get better mechanics , a few more weapons to utilize wouldn’t hurt  . The eagles are trying like hell to justify the Reagor pick , unfortunately I think he was a waste of a first round pick , many of the bad traits he shows now , he displayed at TCU .

 

I go back to what Kurt Warner said , 99% of all throws are 40 yards or less .

This is what I was saying yesterday and people got upset. His arm strength is a concern, but it's magnified because he is so limited. Brady and Brees can get away with it because they're elite in every other way.

Should Hurts get to that point (doubtful) it won't be the issue it currently is.

49 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Posting so we can start the argument again. 

You don't say?

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I think a real simple set of questions regarding Jalen Hurts are:

If he couldn't run the ball, would he be considered a good quarterback?     What did he do on Sunday that Flacco or Minshew couldn't do? 

I'm not saying either is the answer but not one part of Hurts actual quarterback game told me that he is capable of being a franchise quarterback.  

I've made it clear that I was always a Wentz fan but I also want Hurts to be the guy.  I want him to be special.  However,  I'm looking at this objectively.  I watched the Chargers game and said damn, would be nice to have a quarterback with arm talent that Hertbert has.  Are any other teams fans watching the Eagles saying boy if we could only find a Jalen Hurts for our team?  

Hurts is a leader, his teammates love him, his coach wears his t-shirt, he did some incredible things at the college level and the Philly media has now propped him up with untouchable swag.  What he doesn't appear to be however, is a great quarterback.  I'm not throwing in the towel on him yet.  Let's see how they respond next week.  Let's see if they use the middle of the field.  Sirianni has to be seeing the same things we do.  Can he coach up Hurts?  No doubt in my mind that Hurts will work to be better.  Will that translate to the field is the unknown. 

I’m not sure why the bolded matters. His legs are a big plus for his play. We have to accept he’s not a pocket passer, so it’s moot. 

Just now, Swoop said:

This is what I was saying yesterday and people got upset. His arm strength is a concern, but it's magnified because he is so limited. Brady and Brees can get away with it because they're elite in every other way.

Should Hurts get to that point (doubtful) it won't be the issue it currently is.

You don't say?

I’m not starting this with you since you missed the several posts where I said he throws a good deep ball in rhythm but the problem is when he’s late on the throw. 

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You’re delusional.   But when someone says "case closed, that’s all you need to know” all you’re saying is "it’s my opinion and don’t debate me on it….please”.  Well, you’re in the wrong place for that.   
 

Arm strength in the NFL isn’t just about chucking a 50 yard pass with an arc down the sideline.   It’s not about firing a ball to a TE while you’re rolling out.  It’s also about standing in the pocket and spinning it, with accuracy down the field.  Whether inside the hashes or deep outs.  Those are the "arm talent” throws.  And he doesn’t have it.  Manning did and Brady still does.  
 

It’s 8:30 AM.  So it’s early.  But I think you just locked up the dumbest post of the day award.  

Just wait, I'm sure Bacarty will be here soon to reclaim that title. 

Hurts has an issue getting his feet set correctly, as he has been said. It has improved since last year, but I don't think it's a natural thing yet when when he's scrambling outside of the pocket. How many of us lamented Carson and his inability to put touch on the ball while throwing screen passes.  McNabb was the same.

Other than a minority of QBs, there is always a compromise that coaches need to make with their QB.  If Hurts wants to have a career as a QB1, he doesn't have the arm strength to do the Mahomes off platform / Mike Vick wrist flick stuff, but if he can take care of the small things, he has a chance.  He may not be capable of doing that, but we won't know until he plays more.

15 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I think a real simple set of questions regarding Jalen Hurts are:

If he couldn't run the ball, would he be considered a good quarterback?     What did he do on Sunday that Flacco or Minshew couldn't do? 

I'm not saying either is the answer but not one part of Hurts actual quarterback game told me that he is capable of being a franchise quarterback.  

I've made it clear that I was always a Wentz fan but I also want Hurts to be the guy.  I want him to be special.  However,  I'm looking at this objectively.  I watched the Chargers game and said damn, would be nice to have a quarterback with arm talent that Hertbert has.  Are any other teams fans watching the Eagles saying boy if we could only find a Jalen Hurts for our team?  

Hurts is a leader, his teammates love him, his coach wears his t-shirt, he did some incredible things at the college level and the Philly media has now propped him up with untouchable swag.  What he doesn't appear to be however, is a great quarterback.  I'm not throwing in the towel on him yet.  Let's see how they respond next week.  Let's see if they use the middle of the field.  Sirianni has to be seeing the same things we do.  Can he coach up Hurts?  No doubt in my mind that Hurts will work to be better.  Will that translate to the field is the unknown. 

I also watched the Charger game and saw Herbert throw an absolute howler of an interception in the end zone that ended up costing them the game.  But boy he threw it hard with a tight spiral. It was a beautiful pass to the wrong team.    

Can we slow down with this Herbert love for gods sake?  He has done nothing in this league, nothing, and has a great WR core with huge targets that have enormous catch windows

 

To you, @4for4EaglesNest, and anyone else complaining about arm strength:

Is Hurts' arm weaker than Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, etc?

If no, then what the hell are you talking about?  Because clearly those guys carved out a career somehow.

42 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Why ? It’s worked for Josh Allen , he has come a long way since year one , watching that game , the offensive game plan was not all that creative , certainly didn’t make things difficult on the D . I am not saying Hurts is bad or good , just saying his limitations right now ,are about more than just how far he can throw the ball .

Allen had zero offers out of high school and limited playing time against top competetion. Nothing like Hurts. Allen also has a huge arm

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’m not sure why the bolded matters. His legs are a big plus for his play. We have to accept he’s not a pocket passer, so it’s moot. 

IMO, it matters because being able to run doesn't make you a good quarterback.  I don't think Lamar Jackson is an especially good quarterback.  He's a hulluva weapon and on occasion can make great throws.  I know it's a bad time to talk down Lamar Jackson after his big win but the conversation is being a good quarterback.  I also say this loving running quarterbacks.  Have said numerous times.  Yes, being able to run 100% helps Jalen Hurts ability to move the ball and it does effect how defenses have to defend him.  It doesn't however help him when he underthrows wide open WR or refuses to use the middle of the field.   

Again, I want Hurts to be the answer.  But as of now he doesn't appear to be it.  15 games left.  Lots of football to be played.  

28 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Westbrook is right about Devonta’s route also, and it does not look like is is running top speed, like he knows he is not an option on the play.

1 hour ago, Original Sin said:

His arm is no weaker than Brees or Brady , he has to process faster and get better mechanics , a few more weapons to utilize wouldn’t hurt  . The eagles are trying like hell to justify the Reagor pick , unfortunately I think he was a waste of a first round pick , many of the bad traits he shows now , he displayed at TCU .

 

I go back to what Kurt Warner said , 99% of all throws are 40 yards or less .

A lot of us thought Reagor was a waste of a pick at 21, unfortunately 

11 hours ago, Wentz_Era said:

New? They've done this for years...and it's terrible.

I had their triple bock years ago and it was ok.  I mean it's like a sherry or port which I don't really find all that appealing either.  

4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I also watched the Charger game and saw Herbert throw an absolute howler of an interception in the end zone that ended up costing them the game.  But boy he threw it hard with a tight spiral. It was a beautiful pass to the wrong team.    

Can we slow down with this Herbert love for gods sake?  He has done nothing in this league, nothing, and has a great WR core with huge targets that have enormous catch windows

 

To you, @4for4EaglesNest, and anyone else complaining about arm strength:

Is Hurts' arm weaker than Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, etc?

If no, then what the hell are you talking about?  Because clearly those guys carved out a career somehow.

You’re talking about elite processors and all-time accurate passers. Hurts ain’t that. 

25 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Its not his arm strength its the fact that he isnt comfortable with the offense or his targets yet

Hurts arm is no weaker than Bradys or Mannings. Case closed.  Thats all you need to know.

No not case closed. This is a moronic position. If he needs processing equivalent to HoF qbs then his arm is weak

3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I also watched the Charger game and saw Herbert throw an absolute howler of an interception in the end zone that ended up costing them the game.  But boy he threw it hard with a tight spiral. It was a beautiful pass to the wrong team.    

Can we slow down with this Herbert love for gods sake?  He has done nothing in this league, nothing, and has a great WR core with huge targets that have enormous catch windows

 

To you, @4for4EaglesNest, and anyone else complaining about arm strength:

Is Hurts' arm weaker than Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, etc?

If no, then what the hell are you talking about?  Because clearly those guys carved out a career somehow.

Brees, Manning and Brady were three of the most cerebral QBs to ever play. It appears Hurts can't or won't go through any progressions (see the missed play to Goedert on Sunday, where he was throwing it to Smith, regardless of anything else). It's insanity to compare Hurts to those three guys at all. I would literally eat my underwear if Hurts has a career that even approaches any of those three guys. 

5 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Can we slow down with this Herbert love for gods sake?  He has done nothing in this league, nothing, and has a great WR core with huge targets that have enormous catch windows

He has completed 67% of his passes so far.  Jalen Hurts would have to improve drastically to get to that number.

I will dive into the comparison more when I get to work and on a PC, unless you wanna wave the white flag now.

22 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’m not sure why the bolded matters. His legs are a big plus for his play. We have to accept he’s not a pocket passer, so it’s moot. 

If he isnt a capable pocket passer then we can move on from him now. He will never win a title and thats all we need to know.

16 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You’re delusional.   But when someone says "case closed, that’s all you need to know” all you’re saying is "it’s my opinion and don’t debate me on it….please”.  Well, you’re in the wrong place for that.   
 

Arm strength in the NFL isn’t just about chucking a 50 yard pass with an arc down the sideline.   It’s not about firing a ball to a TE while you’re rolling out.  It’s also about standing in the pocket and spinning it, with accuracy down the field.  Whether inside the hashes or deep outs.  Those are the "arm talent” throws.  And he doesn’t have it.  Manning did and Brady still does.  
 

It’s 8:30 AM.  So it’s early.  But I think you just locked up the dumbest post of the day award.  

No Im saying case closed because it is a logical fact that his arm is adequately strong. 

There is no argument to be made based on the fact that QBs with substantially weaker arms have thrived in the NFL

Logically, you can absolutely cross that off the list and move on to things like footwork, knowledge of the offense, familiarity with his recievers, etc.

 

Youre making this some mystical, nebulous discussion "arm talent throws" that you cant even define because you know his arm is strong enough

To say that Peyton Manning could make throws that Hurts cant is laughable.  What he could do is identify the correct read and make the throw way earlier than Hurts.   That's the discussion, not arm strength

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Westbrook is right about Devonta’s route also, and it does not look like is is running top speed, like he knows he is not an option on the play.

Makes we wonder if Hurts can see over the line…

1 minute ago, ToastJenkins said:

If he isnt a capable pocket passer then we can move on from him now. He will never win a title and thats all we need to know.

Sure, but taking away his ability to run shouldn’t be part of the equation. You look at the whole picture. Not just part of it. 

1 hour ago, Original Sin said:

His arm is no weaker than Brees or Brady , he has to process faster and get better mechanics , a few more weapons to utilize wouldn’t hurt  . The eagles are trying like hell to justify the Reagor pick , unfortunately I think he was a waste of a first round pick , many of the bad traits he shows now , he displayed at TCU .

 

I go back to what Kurt Warner said , 99% of all throws are 40 yards or less .

Right, his arm strength is an issue because his processing and mechanics are issues.  I really don't think weapons are an issue.  I think he needs to play faster as a passer because he doesn't have an arm like Josh Allen. 

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

I also watched the Charger game and saw Herbert throw an absolute howler of an interception in the end zone that ended up costing them the game.  But boy he threw it hard with a tight spiral. It was a beautiful pass to the wrong team.    

Can we slow down with this Herbert love for gods sake?  He has done nothing in this league, nothing, and has a great WR core with huge targets that have enormous catch windows

 

To you, @4for4EaglesNest, and anyone else complaining about arm strength:

Is Hurts' arm weaker than Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, etc?

If no, then what the hell are you talking about?  Because clearly those guys carved out a career somehow.

You missed the point of my post if what you took away was I want Justin Herbert and Hurts has a weak arm.

The point of my post was, what does Hurts do as a quarterback especially well?  What did he do on Sunday that Minshew or Flacco couldn't do? 
 

Nothing stood out to me that says wow, Hurts is special there.  Now, when you watch Herbert, it's clear as day when you watch him that he has a special arm.  I wasn't saying I want him or saying he made great decisions, like the interception.  To answer your question, he did win NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year so he has done something in the NFL.

If you want people to pump the brakes on Herbert, then the argument that Brees, Brady and Manning didn't have strong arms has to be put to bed right now.  You just named the top 3 quarterbacks in the NFL...ever.  What they bring to the game, NO ONE has come close to no matter how strong or weak a guys arm is.  

I just want to know what Hurts does well as a quarterback, besides run the ball, that a guy like Minshew can't.  I'm not calling for him to be the quarterback let me make that clear.  I'm just trying to figure out what we have in Jalen Hurts.