45 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Cowboys have our number. I think we're 2-8 against them in the last 10 and 4 of 5 cowboy wins were blowouts. 

With Wentz who is always terrible when it matters. I expect that to change this season.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

If you go with skill position players along with OL the eagles are very likely in the top 5. Last year the eagles were 3rd in espn’s pass block win rate and 2nd in run block win rate and the 4th best oline according to pff. only other team’s olines that finished top 10 in both run and pass block win rate and be top 10 graded oline were: Washington, cleveland and chiefs. Washington also lost Brandon Scherff this offseason.

in terms of just skill position players teams that i think are pretty good. I think the eagles are better than some of them. And some of them are close. raiders with the addition of Adams is up there. Renfroe, Waller, Adams and jacobs is pretty damn good. The niners if they keep deebo with kittle, aiyuk and Elijah mitchell. The rams with Akers, robinson, kupp, van Jefferson and potentially bringing back obj. Tampa bay with Evans, godwin, fournette, gage and if gronk returns. Minnesota with Jefferson, thielen, cook (i think I’d take the eagles over them but i can see the argument with the Vikings). Chargers with Allen, Williams, ekeler and Everett. Steelers with Harris, diontae Johnson, claypool, Pickens and freiermuth. Cincinnati with chase, higgins, Boyd and mixon. Bills with Davis playing the way he did last postseason with diggs, crowder, Knox and singletary (I’d take the eagles over bulls). Cleveland has the two backs but i don’t really trust cooper and peoples-jones looked ok last year (take the eagles over the browns weapons). Miami has Hill, waddle, Cedric Wilson, gesicki and gaskin/mostert/chase edmonds. 

Yes including our o-line makes a massive difference. But o-line generally aren't considered skill players, as long as I've followed football. 

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

A HoF QB came about as a UDFA - Kurt Warner.
Tony Romo was a long term answer at QB (granted, not an ideal one) as a UDFA.

 

Do you want to reevaluate your assertion?

You're crushing all the trolls this morning. I like it. 

7 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Yes including our o-line makes a massive difference. But o-line generally aren't considered skill players, as long as I've followed football. 

I think just skill position players the eagles are likely top 8-10. Of the Teams i mentioned I can only say I’d take raiders, dolphins (actually have pretty damn good skill position players. I didn’t realize they signed Edmond, mostert, Cedric Wilson as well as trade for hill to go with waddle and gesicki. If tua doesn’t play well it’s not cause of lack of weapons), niners (with deebo), tampa bay, rams and bengals are teams I’d definitely take over ours. Minnesota, chargers and Steelers are close could make the case for those teams over eagles and vice versa. 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Pretty much a guarantee that that 2026 salary gets renegotiated, if not the 2025 as well.

It’s Howie. He gets restructured at minimum by 2024 

11 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

A HoF QB came about as a UDFA - Kurt Warner.
Tony Romo was a long term answer at QB (granted, not an ideal one) as a UDFA.

 

Do you want to reevaluate your assertion?

 

Warner I believe got his first game action  in the arena league .

Romo is a good choice  , I’ll give you those 2 . Still lay everything in odds against 

2 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

 

Warner I believe got his first game action  in the arena league .

Romo is a good choice  , I’ll give you those 2 . Still lay everything in odds against 

No one suggested otherwise.   And no one expected a 6th round draft pick to win 7 Super Bowls.   Long odds hit from time to time.  Often?  Absolutely not.  But, it does happen.  Dismissing Strong out of hand due to his draft status is a lazy position to hold.   Strong starts at the bottom of the depth chart and needs to climb his way up.  He might need a little luck for himself along the way as well.  But, he has a chance.   The contract he got from the Eagles easily demonstrate that this isn't your standard run of the mill UDFA QB.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No one suggested otherwise.   And no one expected a 6th round draft pick to win 7 Super Bowls.   Long odds hit from time to time.  Often?  Absolutely not.  But, it does happen.  Dismissing Strong out of hand due to his draft status is a lazy position to hold.   Strong starts at the bottom of the depth chart and needs to climb his way up.  He might need a little luck for himself along the way as well.  But, he has a chance.   The contract he got from the Eagles easily demonstrate that this isn't your standard run of the mill UDFA QB.

That contract they gave is chump change , this team ate 35 million with Wentz  .

27 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

A HoF QB came about as a UDFA - Kurt Warner.
Tony Romo was a long term answer at QB (granted, not an ideal one) as a UDFA.

 

Do you want to reevaluate your assertion?

I’d add Jeff Garcia got to 4 pro bowls and was undrafted. Not that pro bowls are indicative but he was a pretty solid starting QB. Also warren moon went undrafted. Dave kreig also had a nice career as an undrafted QB. He went to 3 pro bowls and his pro bowls were before everyone dropped out and he was named after 10 didn’t want too. The odds still likely not in favor of Carson strong 

5 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

That contract they gave is chump change , this team ate 35 million with Wentz  .

We are dealing with relative situations here.  Comparing this situation to a former #2 overall pick that was an ACL injury away from being league MVP in year 2, to a UDFA contract is meaningless.  

Compared to ALL the UDFA contracts given to QBs in the past, this one stands out as unique.  That means something.  It's not nothing, we'll find out how much it means as time goes by.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

The Eagles remind me of the Dolphins.  Some nice pieces on both sides of the ball.  Question mark at QB and inexperienced under-qualified head coaches.  

Honestly didn’t realize how many weapons the dolphins had offensively until i looked at their depth chart. They have mostert, Edmonds, gaskin as their running backs. None of them are great but that’s a nice trio. Add on they have hill, waddle and Wilson that’s a really good Wr corps especially when you add on gesicki at tight end. Plus they added Armstead who really should help that oline. If that offense fails it’s highly likely due to Tua not being very good. 

I think we have three guys capable of being 1000 yard receivers in Brown, Smith & Goedert. With the production Quez put up in last year's situation, i definitely think he's capable of 700-900 yards. Pascal and Ward are both capable of 500 & 5. You combine that with our RB's & OL and you're talking about a top 5-8 supporting cast in the NFL. Any QB worth his salt easily throws for 4000+ yards & 25+ TD's. Now we've seen Hurts be surrounded by crazy talent before, and he ended up being benched in favor of a better passer because he was holding said talent back. Hopefully history doesnt repeat itself but like i said, i've got a hunch.

40 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

The chances the Eagles found themselves a long term answer at QB via undrafted rookie road , slim and none  , in fact if it were to happen , it would be first time ever .

Of course it's a long shot. But, Warner, Romo, McNair, Garcia...those are 4 famous UDFA QB's just off the top of my head.

22 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

 

Warner I believe got his first game action  in the arena league .

Romo is a good choice  , I’ll give you those 2 . Still lay everything in odds against 

Garcia, Moon, krieg, delhomme

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

And now you get the comp.  

Comp is definitely there and makes sense. I think the dolphins oline is still not nearly as good as the eagles (Armstead and Williams is a huge upgrades for them). Combine our oline and skill position players this offense should be a top 10 offense if not top 5 (if guys stay healthy). 

4 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Of course it's a long shot. But, Warner, Romo, McNair, Garcia...those are 4 famous UDFA QB's just off the top of my head.

I’m guessing you meant moon? You racist! Lol

The problem with this is 1 x 11 =.11 which is pretty much the problem 

38 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

in terms of just skill position players teams that i think are pretty good. I think the eagles are better than some of them. And some of them are close. raiders with the addition of Adams is up there. Renfroe, Waller, Adams and jacobs is pretty damn good. The niners if they keep deebo with kittle, aiyuk and Elijah mitchell. The rams with Akers, robinson, kupp, van Jefferson and potentially bringing back obj. Tampa bay with Evans, godwin, fournette, gage and if gronk returns. Minnesota with Jefferson, thielen, cook (i think I’d take the eagles over them but i can see the argument with the Vikings). Chargers with Allen, Williams, ekeler and Everett. Steelers with Harris, diontae Johnson, claypool, Pickens and freiermuth. Cincinnati with chase, higgins, Boyd and mixon. Bills with Davis playing the way he did last postseason with diggs, crowder, Knox and singletary (I’d take the eagles over bulls). Cleveland has the two backs but i don’t really trust cooper and peoples-jones looked ok last year (take the eagles over the browns weapons). Miami has Hill, waddle, Cedric Wilson, gesicki and gaskin/mostert/chase edmonds. 

There are way too many "ifs" in this analysis. Also, a lot of listing of four guys. Here's the best in the NFC right now. 

49ers - Deebo is better than Brown, Smith is better than Aiyuk, Watkins is better than ?, Kittle is better than Goedert, and I like Mitchell, but he is probably not better than Sanders, but certainly not much worse, either. It's close, but they have a black hole at wr3.

Rams - Kupp is better than Brown, Robinson, who knows how good or bad he will be, Van Jefferson and Watkins are a wash, Goedert is better than Higbee, Sanders is way better than Akers. Edge, Eagles.

Tampa Bay - Brown is better than Evans, Godwin is better than Smith, Gage and Watkins are too close to call, Goedert is better than any TE they have, and Sanders and Fournette are too close to call. So this one is probably the closest. But having Tom Brady over urts is clearly making their guys look better than ours.

Cowboys - Brown is better than Lamb, Smith is better than Gallup, Watkins is better than ?, Goedert is better than Shultz, Sanders is better than Pollard just because they will put a washed Zeke out there a bunch.

So we are no worse than top 2 in the NFC. Vikings are good, but not great. Giants could be sneaky if Barkley returns to form, Golladay stays healthy and Toney figures it out, but, again, that's a lot of ifs. 

6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

We have 3 guys capable of 1000 yards....with the right QB.  But we don't have that guy, as you know.  

 

I'll go with:

 

Smith 900 yards

Brown 750 yards

Goedert 700 yards

Watkins 450 yards

All other WR/TE/RB 700 yards

That's 3500 yards.  That is Jalen Hurts' ceiling.  The Eagles know it and the league knows it.  

We need to put it into existence that the unproven mahomes gets fed up with the chiefs and asks to be traded next offseason. Lol 

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Comp is definitely there and makes sense. I think the dolphins oline is still not nearly as good as the eagles (Armstead and Williams is a huge upgrades for them). Combine our oline and skill position players this offense should be a top 10 offense if not top 5 (if guys stay healthy). 

I’m guessing you meant moon? You racist! Lol

 Definitely meant Moon. Was thinking Oilers, which bled to Titans in my mind.

13 minutes ago, KDUB1510 said:

I think we have three guys capable of being 1000 yard receivers in Brown, Smith & Goedert. With the production Quez put up in last year's situation, i definitely think he's capable of 700-900 yards. Pascal and Ward are both capable of 500 & 5. You combine that with our RB's & OL and you're talking about a top 5-8 supporting cast in the NFL. Any QB worth his salt easily throws for 4000+ yards & 25+ TD's. Now we've seen Hurts be surrounded by crazy talent before, and he ended up being benched in favor of a better passer because he was holding said talent back. Hopefully history doesnt repeat itself but like i said, i've got a hunch.

We’ve never had 2 WRs with 1,000+ yards in a season. I think it’s possible with the right QB, but all these expectations are a bit lofty 

30 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No one suggested otherwise.   And no one expected a 6th round draft pick to win 7 Super Bowls.   Long odds hit from time to time.  Often?  Absolutely not.  But, it does happen.  Dismissing Strong out of hand due to his draft status is a lazy position to hold.   Strong starts at the bottom of the depth chart and needs to climb his way up.  He might need a little luck for himself along the way as well.  But, he has a chance.   The contract he got from the Eagles easily demonstrate that this isn't your standard run of the mill UDFA QB.

 

If you're rooting for Strong to eventually play you are also rooting for complete disaster to hit everywhere else on the roster to the point where it turns into a lost year. 

 

But rooting for this team to lose wouldn't be anything new for people in the blog. 

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

1 x 11 = 18

18 passing attempts a game. 

 

Uh....that's interesting math....

5 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

There are way too many "ifs" in this analysis. Also, a lot of listing of four guys. Here's the best in the NFC right now. 

49ers - Deebo is better than Brown, Smith is better than Aiyuk, Watkins is better than ?, Kittle is better than Goedert, and I like Mitchell, but he is probably not better than Sanders, but certainly not much worse, either. It's close, but they have a black hole at wr3.

Rams - Kupp is better than Brown, Robinson, who knows how good or bad he will be, Van Jefferson and Watkins are a wash, Goedert is better than Higbee, Sanders is way better than Akers. Edge, Eagles.

Tampa Bay - Brown is better than Evans, Godwin is better than Smith, Gage and Watkins are too close to call, Goedert is better than any TE they have, and Sanders and Fournette are too close to call. So this one is probably the closest. But having Tom Brady over urts is clearly making their guys look better than ours.

Cowboys - Brown is better than Lamb, Smith is better than Gallup, Watkins is better than ?, Goedert is better than Shultz, Sanders is better than Pollard just because they will put a washed Zeke out there a bunch.

So we are no worse than top 2 in the NFC. Vikings are good, but not great. Giants could be sneaky if Barkley returns to form, Golladay stays healthy and Toney figures it out, but, again, that's a lot of ifs. 

Don't forget Seattle. DK, Lockett, Eskridge/Melton, Kenneth Walker, Carson, Fant. Only team with comparable weapons with a worse QB.

1 hour ago, Bacarty2 said:

why would you pay for something when you know it'll be free, or probably free.

why would you draft someone lower on your draft board?

If you have Strong ranked 300, and know he won't be taken(or a strong feeling) and you have player X ranked 200 it seems like a easy desicion 

Because 31 teams are not getting it "for free."

5 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

There are way too many "ifs" in this analysis. Also, a lot of listing of four guys. Here's the best in the NFC right now. 

49ers - Deebo is better than Brown, Smith is better than Aiyuk, Watkins is better than ?, Kittle is better than Goedert, and I like Mitchell, but he is probably not better than Sanders, but certainly not much worse, either. It's close, but they have a black hole at wr3.

Rams - Kupp is better than Brown, Robinson, who knows how good or bad he will be, Van Jefferson and Watkins are a wash, Goedert is better than Higbee, Sanders is way better than Akers. Edge, Eagles.

Tampa Bay - Brown is better than Evans, Godwin is better than Smith, Gage and Watkins are too close to call, Goedert is better than any TE they have, and Sanders and Fournette are too close to call. So this one is probably the closest. But having Tom Brady over urts is clearly making their guys look better than ours.

Cowboys - Brown is better than Lamb, Smith is better than Gallup, Watkins is better than ?, Goedert is better than Shultz, Sanders is better than Pollard just because they will put a washed Zeke out there a bunch.

So we are no worse than top 2 in the NFC. Vikings are good, but not great. Giants could be sneaky if Barkley returns to form, Golladay stays healthy and Toney figures it out, but, again, that's a lot of ifs. 

I think you severely overrate Sanders. I'd much prefer Akers, Jacobs, and Fournette over him. Easily. And I think Waller is better than Goedert, but it is close. Also, Mike Evans is underrated. He's better than Brown. 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

We need to put it into existence that the unproven mahomes gets fed up with the chiefs and asks to be traded next offseason. Lol 

I was thinking yesterday maybe we can gaslight Herbert into becoming disgruntled