Are the Foreskins still an NFL team?

[paco]

55 minutes ago, Dawkins 20 said:

Snyder is about to get Donald Sterling'd.

Dear god no.  I will do a hunger strike in protest outside the stadium if they try to force Snyder out.

[EricAllenPick6]

Saw this in r/Redskins.  This is gonna be a huge scandal.

 

 

 

 

[toolg]

So Washington Post is going to run this story from NY Times 2 years ago? Snyder was pimping out cheerleaders to high-paying sponsors, and shenanigans.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/02/sports/redskins-cheerleaders-nfl.html

[rambo]

1 hour ago, paco said:

Dear god no.  I will do a hunger strike in protest outside the stadium if they try to force Snyder out.

Welp...Time for me to sell my Costco stock.

[paco]

7 minutes ago, rambo said:

Welp...Time for me to sell my Costco stock.

 

 

Speaking of.... our 2% cash back check came in yesterday.  $267.75.  Which works out to $13,387.50 spent

[rambo]

3 minutes ago, paco said:

 

 

Speaking of.... our 2% cash back check came in yesterday.  $267.75.  Which works out to $13,387.50 spent

JFC dude!  I know where I'm heading when the zombie apocalypse hits. 

[EricAllenPick6]

1 hour ago, toolg said:

So Washington Post is going to run this story from NY Times 2 years ago? Snyder was pimping out cheerleaders to high-paying sponsors, and shenanigans.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/02/sports/redskins-cheerleaders-nfl.html

Good call, I forgot about that.  Yeah, I think that's part of it, but there's more.  Dugs, alcohol, infidelty, sexual assaults, etc. all happening and all being covered up by the team.  People being fired by the team for not wanting to play along.  

The rumor is that the delay is because lawyers are involved.  I don't know what that means exactly.  Release the story already!

[paco]

48 minutes ago, rambo said:

JFC dude!  I know where I'm heading when the zombie apocalypse hits. 

I still haven't bought toilet paper in 2020

[paco]

1 hour ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

Saw this in r/Redskins.  This is gonna be a huge scandal.

 

 

 

 

I mean... they prostituted out their cheerleaders to sponsors.....

 

I really, really, really hope this doesn't force Snyder out.  Does explain why the minority owners are trying to sell.  I also know for a fact Larry Michael is a pig, so him quitting all of a sudden isn't a shock.

[EricAllenPick6]

3 minutes ago, paco said:

I still haven't bought toilet paper in 2020

Ah, so YOU are the one that was hoarding it all!!

[paco]

4 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

Ah, so YOU are the one that was hoarding it all!!

Because I was fully stocked before the pandemic?  

[Alpha_TATEr]

so with the pandemic and no fans allowed at games, Washington is one team that wont see a difference in home fans attending games.

[paco]

15 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

so with the pandemic and no fans allowed at games, Washington is one team that wont see a difference in home fans attending games.

My buddy who is an r words fan sent me this text Tuesday:

I like the Eagles chances this year without the home crowd there to boo them
 

My reply:

Big advantage for the R words.  They are use to not having fans at the games
 

 

Fans in stadiums isn’t trash talk Washington fans should attempt

[Alpha_TATEr]

5 minutes ago, paco said:

My buddy who is an r words fan sent me this text Tuesday:

I like the Eagles chances this year without the home crowd there to boo them
 

My reply:

Big advantage for the R words.  They are use to not having fans at the games
 

 

Fans in stadiums isn’t trash talk Washington fans should attempt

 you friend is seriously butt hurt.

 

I have a friend like that as well. big Washington football fan, and a Berniebot, but has no issue with their name.

[vsptroops]

[paco]

Well, if Brian Zaug said it....

 

Spoiler

 

Things we already know:

Dan is a drunk

They pimped their cheerleaders to sponsors

 

Those were used to give credibility to what is apparently my wet dream.

 

 

 

 

 

As for paying off the refs.... I mean, the results speak for itself  

[GrahamCracker]

I mean if it happened during the RG3 year...

What would $2M be to an owner? 

I've never heard of Snyder being into drugs or alcohol and I live down the street from their practice bubble and the Clyde's they all love so much.  I don't know how much of that I believe.  Maybe they are flooding the Internet with rumors to make things seem less crazy when the truth of whatever this story is when it does come out. 

Interesting. 

 

[Dawkins 20]

2 hours ago, paco said:

As for paying off the refs.... I mean, the results speak for itself  

If I were Danny boy, I'd be asking for a refund.

[paco]

1 hour ago, GrahamCracker said:

I mean if it happened during the RG3 year...

What would $2M be to an owner? 

I've never heard of Snyder being into drugs or alcohol and I live down the street from their practice bubble and the Clyde's they all love so much.  I don't know how much of that I believe.  Maybe they are flooding the Internet with rumors to make things seem less crazy when the truth of whatever this story is when it does come out. 

Interesting. 

 

He's a big booze hound.  The stories of him getting being pissed at Jim Zorn, getting drunk on crown royal and drunkenly taking his private jet to  Denver to court Mike Shanahan would be legendary if not 100% true.  He and Bruce Allen were drinking buddies prior to making him GM.  (Allen is a big Coors Light guy, btw)

[paco]

Dan Snyder Called Mike Shanahan After Drinking Crown Royal

Mike Wise's piece on the actual details behind Dan Snyder's pursuit of Mike Shanahan is a must-read, the kind of sports article that you see come out only a few times. It delivers stunning detail of how the Redskins owner was talking to Shanahan while Jim Zorn was still coaching, and much more.

There are many great parts worth covering, but we'll start with this.

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While watching NBC’s "Sunday Night Football" game between the Arizona Cardinals and Indianapolis Colts, the four men drank glasses of Sassicaia, a bold Tuscan red that is a Snyder favorite, those who were present said. They added that Snyder eventually graduated to Crown Royal.

Finally, Snyder turned to the others. "Let’s go get Mike Shanahan," he said.

 

So as you probably expected, Snyder kick-started one of the biggest decisions his team could make after drinking Crown Royal. That's our Snyder! Here's how one source (who sounds a lot like Vinny Cerrato) described it.

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"A lot of calls, a lot of booze that night," one participant said. "We were just like four college roommates drowning their sorrows with alcohol after our team lost. The difference was, one of our college buddies was the owner of the team. And he called an ex-coach to make him feel better."

 

Edit: Better article. 

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Washington Redskins: How Daniel Snyder found his man in Mike Shanahan

 

On a Sunday evening nearly two years ago, Daniel Snyder hit his nadir with the Washington Redskins. Trudging down the stairwell of one of his private planes in the hangar of the Dulles Jet Center, burgundy-and-gold striped necktie askew, he mouthed an expletive passengers behind him could clearly hear. In that moment, hours after the Redskins had lost to the lowly Lions — the worst team in pro football — in Detroit, Snyder resembled less of an NFL owner than an exasperated day trader.

"He was as stressed out and lost as I’d ever seen him,” said an associate of Snyder, who recounted the scene.” It was the bottom for all of us, but it was mostly the bottom for him.”

On the way to missing the playoffs for the eighth time in his 11 seasons as Redskins owner, Snyder retreated to the pilot’s lounge inside the hangar with two of his closest advisers at the time, Dave Donovan, the team’s chief operating officer, and Karl Swanson, Snyder’s senior vice president of public relations. Vinny Cerrato, the executive vice president of personnel and Snyder’s right-hand man, joined them after he had taken the team plane home with the players and their beleaguered coach, Jim Zorn.

While watching NBC’s "Sunday Night Football” game between the Arizona Cardinals and Indianapolis Colts, the four men drank glasses of Sassicaia, a bold Tuscan red that is a Snyder favorite, those who were present said. They added that Snyder eventually graduated to Crown Royal.

Finally, Snyder turned to the others. "Let’s go get Mike Shanahan,” he said.

 

It would be more than three months before Snyder hired Shanahan, who on Sunday begins his second season as Redskins head coach. But interviews with 11 individuals in and around the franchise, each of whom spoke on condition of anonymity so as to speak more freely, reveal that his pursuit of the former Denver Broncos head coach began far earlier than even the night of Sept. 27, 2009, after the deflating loss to Detroit.

While Snyder’s lengthy courtship of Shanahan has been known, many of the details of his pursuit have not. It paralleled the last year of Zorn’s tumultuous two-season tenure as Redskins coach, a fact that led Snyder and his advisers to go to elaborate lengths to keep it from becoming public so as not to appear to both undermine Zorn nor scuttle their efforts to land Shanahan. Snyder declined through a spokesman to be interviewed for this story.

Within minutes of Snyder’s request at the airport hangar, calls began flying back and forth between representatives of the Redskins owner and Shanahan. About two hours later, Shanahan had agreed to meet with the Redskins’ brain trust — but when?

"Let’s not wait for him to change his mind,” Snyder said, those who were present recalled. "Let’s go now.”

Snyder’s confidantes still marvel at the impulsive decision, yet they say it encapsulated the way in which they often did business.

"A lot of calls, a lot of booze that night,” one participant said. "We were just like four college roommates drowning their sorrows with alcohol after our team lost. The difference was, one of our college buddies was the owner of the team. And he called an ex-coach to make him feel better.”

Redskin One’s engines purred for the second time that night. The Bombardier BD-700 Global Express XRS corporate jet, which bore the team’s helmet on its tail, landed at Centennial Airport outside Denver at about 2 a.m. Mountain time, 4 a.m. back in Washington.

 

Bleary-eyed with maybe three hours of sleep, Snyder came down the stairwell and was greeted by Shanahan, who escorted Snyder, Cerrato, Donovan and Swanson to his waiting sedan. They drove to Shanahan’s sprawling, 35,000-square-foot ranch estate about 10 miles away in Cherry Hills Village, Denver’s most exclusive suburb, where one of Snyder’s confidantes recalled Shanahan’s hospitality.

"He said, ‘If you want, I’ll put you guys up in the back of the property where you can hear the coyotes howl.’ ”

Portis incident plays a role

The courtship between the Redskins and Shanahan actually had begun in earnest the previous January, immediately after Zorn’s first season — one in which the team, after winning four of its first five games, lost six of its last eight to finish 8-8.

The reason back then had less to do with the Redskins’ record than it did with Zorn’s crumbling relationship with one of the players Snyder felt closest to on the team — running back Clinton Portis.

Zorn and Portis had clashed repeatedly during the season, but as the Redskins prepared to play the San Francisco 49ers on the final day of the season, Snyder received a call from Portis’s agent, Drew Rosenhaus. He was told Portis would no longer play for the Redskins if Zorn wasn’t fired, according to Snyder’s close associates.

Zorn and Portis had exchanged words in practice that week when Portis refused Zorn’s request that the running back take his hands out of his pocket during a drill.

Snyder was ticked, not just about Zorn’s latest blowup with Portis but with the overall course of the season. Zorn had assured him things were improving as they sat next to each other on the team flight to San Francisco. Fed up, Snyder got off the phone call from Rosenhaus and told Cerrato: "Vinny, you handle this. Fix it. Tonight.”

That night, the eve of the Redskins’ final game of 2008, Cerrato summoned Zorn to a ballroom used by the team at the San Francisco Four Seasons hotel. Zorn brought Sherman Smith, his offensive coordinator and only genuine confidant on his staff. "Vinny kept telling Jim to apologize,” Smith said in a telephone interview. "And Jim was like: ‘For what? I just wanted him to take his hands out of his pocket.’ ”

When Portis joined the three later that night, no one shook hands. Zorn was dumbfounded he had been ordered to be part of a kiss-and-make-up session with a player the night before a game.

The Redskins lost the following day, 27-24.

Within about a week of the season’s conclusion, Snyder began making overtures to Shanahan, who had just been fired by the Broncos.

He arranged to have his plane pick up Mike and his son, Kyle, in Cabo San Lucas, Mexico, where the Shanahan family was spending its annual vacation, and bring them to Los Angeles. Snyder was in Los Angeles to attend the Golden Globe Awards, which the Snyder-owned Dick Clark Productions were contracted to put on.

Snyder, Cerrato and the Shanahans met at a Beverly Hills hotel for about six hours.

There is a debate between the parties over Kyle’s role that day, whether or not he participated in the discussions or simply sat and watched. A person with knowledge of the trip said Kyle’s original reason for accompanying his father was to see friends in Los Angeles. Kyle was under contract with the Houston Texans at the time, which brings into play NFL rules prohibiting tampering with another team’s players or coaches.

No job offer was made to Shanahan, who expressed interest but was in no hurry to jump back into coaching immediately. He also would not entertain any offer until the Redskins decided whether to retain Zorn for a second season.

Zorn managed to survive that offseason largely because of an internal discussion at Redskins Park that centered on one question: What would the public reaction be if Snyder were to jettison another coach, his sixth in less than 10 seasons, not to mention one who just finished 8-8?

Said a participant in the discussion, "There was a real feeling that everyone in the media was going to say, ‘There goes Dan again, firing a guy after one year.’ Most of us felt the best thing to do was stick with Zorn for at least one more season. The P.R. hit was going to be too much, it was decided.”

With more than a little reservation, Snyder stood pat, which he regretted within the first few weeks of the 2009 season.

A near hiring — and a hiring

The basement of Shanahan’s home included a bowling alley and lounge, a poker room, a video-golf room, a racquetball court, a shuffleboard table and four bedrooms. All told, there were six fireplaces, a six-car garage, a pool, waterfall, two bridges and two guesthouses. "You’d never seen anything so big,” said one of his guests, who had been to Snyder’s French chateau-style estate in Potomac many times.

Before they turned in for bed, Snyder and his associates made their plight clear for almost two hours to Shanahan. The sting of the loss to the Lions was sharp, they told him. They needed help.

"We needed some individual advice on how bad this was, whether what we had was salvageable,” one participant said. "Obviously we were desperate and serious enough to take a chance flying to Colorado on Redskin One the same night of the Detroit game. But did we go out there to convince Mike Shanahan to come back with us and take over as coach? I can’t say that wasn’t an option. But it wasn’t the plan.”

The next morning, everyone got up about 7:30. Peggy Shanahan, Mike’s wife, went out and bought breakfast burritos for the group, one of the participants remembered.

From the beginning, Shanahan took on the role of wizened sage, distilling calm and knowledge to Snyder and his associates.

"It wasn’t, ‘When can you start? How much is it going to cost?’ It was more, ‘What do you think? Can Zorn do it? Would you do it?’ ” one of those present recalled.

As for the last question Shanahan was, as one of Snyder’s associates put it, "enthusiastically interested but not committed.”

Shanahan had major misgivings about inheriting someone else’s staff in-season, telling Snyder and his inner circle that if four more weeks of losing and misery went by and the Redskins were at the bye week, he might possibly consider coaching the team after having a chance to study it on film — provided a decision was made on Zorn.

But he warned, "I don’t think your results will be that much different with me this season.”

The five men sent out for sandwiches at a local deli for lunch before Snyder and his party left Denver — without a new coach but armed with a well-guarded secret.

After the tail of the Redskins plane was spotted at the Denver airport, there was immediate speculation about a secret meeting between Snyder and Shanahan. The Redskins put out a story saying the plane was on loan to a private company, and that Snyder was not on it. Local media in Denver and Washington, including The Washington Post, and national media outlets bought the story — and the rumors quickly died down.

"Everybody bought it,” one of the participants said. "I still remember [Sports Illustrated’s] Peter King calling Vinny on his cellphone, telling Vinny he knows we’re in Denver. Vinny says, ‘Peter, we’re not in Denver. We’re at Redskins Park right now. Go look in the parking lot. All our cars are there.’ And I hear Peter on the other end say, ‘Oh yeah, I didn’t think you guys would be so [expletive] obvious.’ And he hung up.”

The Redskins’ season did not get any better, and Snyder hired Bruce Allen as general manager in mid-December — a move that led to Cerrato’s immediate termination and to Zorn’s dismissal three days after New Year’s.

And on Jan. 5, 2010, nearly the one-year anniversary of the meeting with Snyder in Beverly Hills, Shanahan finally stood on the dais in Ashburn. In tow was Kyle, the only coach on the Texans’ staff who balked at re-signing with the club. His deal expired at the end of 2009, which contractually allowed him to become his father’s offensive coordinator in Washington.

As Shanahan and Sandy Montag, his agent, were preparing to leave Snyder’s house on the way to his introductory news conference, they saw an assortment of 10 burgundy-and-gold ties arrayed on a table beside the front door. Snyder explained to his new coach that not just any burgundy would do. "There’s a Redskin burgundy,” Snyder told him, dead serious, "and you gotta make sure it’s right.”

 

[GrahamCracker]

Thanks, I had no idea. Please do not lose sleep over the anguish that you might be causing my coworkers. Quite the thread to tug on here.

[paco]

 

 

[EricAllenPick6]

The article is up, but it's behind the WaPo paywall.  Headline: 15 female employees are accusing the Redskins of sexual harassment. 

Pretty much par for the course from what I've read.  I doubt much will come of this.  These ladies are about to be rich and Danny is about to lose some money.  

[VaBeach_Eagle]

7 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

The article is up, but it's behind the WaPo paywall.  Headline: 15 female employees are accusing the Redskins of sexual harassment. 

Pretty much par for the course from what I've read.  I doubt much will come of this.  These ladies are about to be rich and Danny is about to lose some money.  

Someone on Extremeskins posted it. This is the text from Extremeskins:

https://es.redskins.com/topic/438561-a-new-start-the-reboot-the-front-office-ownership-coaching-staff-thread/?do=findComment&comment=11810113

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Posting from the article: 

More than a dozen women allege sexual harassment and verbal abuse by former team employees at Redskins Park

WILL HOBSON JULY 16, 2020

A few months after Emily Applegate started working for the Washington Redskins in 2014, she settled into a daily routine: She would meet a female co-worker in the bathroom during their lunch breaks, she said, to commiserate and cry about the frequent sexual harassment and verbal abuse they endured.

 

They cried about the former chief operating officer’s expletive-laced tirades, Applegate said, when she recalled him calling her "f-----g stupid” and then requesting she wear a tight dress for a meeting with clients, "so the men in the room have something to look at.” They cried about a wealthy suiteholder who grabbed her friend’s backside during a game, Applegate said, and the indifference the team’s top sales executive displayed when she complained.

 

But most of all, Applegate said, they cried about the realization their dream job of working in the NFL came with what they characterized as relentless sexual harassment and verbal abuse that was ignored — and in some cases, condoned — by top team executives.

 

Applegate is one of 15 former female Redskins employees who told The Washington Post they were sexually harassed during their time at the club. The other 14 women spoke on the condition of anonymity citing a fear of litigation, as some signed nondisclosure agreements with the team that threaten legal retribution if they speak negatively about the club. The team declined a request from The Post to release former female employees from these agreements so they could speak on the record without fear of legal reprisal. This story involved interviews with more than 40 current and former employees and a review of text messages and internal company documents.

 

Team owner Daniel Snyder declined several requests for an interview. Over the past week, as The Post presented detailed allegations and findings to the club, three team employees accused of improper behavior abruptly departed, including Larry Michael, the club’s longtime radio voice, and Alex Santos, the team’s director of pro personnel.

 

In a statement, the team said it had hired D.C. attorney Beth Wilkinson and her firm, Wilkinson Walsh, "to conduct a thorough independent review of this entire matter and help the team set new employee standards for the future.”

 

"The Washington Redskins football team takes issues of employee conduct seriously … While we do not speak to specific employee situations publicly, when new allegations of conduct are brought forward that are contrary to these policies, we address them promptly,” the team said.

 

The allegations raised by Applegate and others — running from 2006 to 2019 — span most of Snyder’s tenure as owner and fall into two categories: unwelcome overtures or comments of a sexual nature, and exhortations to wear revealing clothing and flirt with clients to close sales deals. Among the men accused of harassment and verbal abuse are three former members of Snyder’s inner circle and two longtime members of the personnel department:

 

- Michael, senior vice president of content and "the voice of the Washington Redskins.” Seven former employees said Michael routinely discussed the physical appearance of female colleagues in sexual and disparaging overtones. In 2018, Michael was caught on a "hot mic” speaking about the attractiveness of a college-aged intern, according to six former employees who heard the recording. Michael declined an interview request and retired Wednesday.

 

- Santos, the club’s director of pro personnel, was accused by six former employees and two reporters who covered the team of making inappropriate remarks about their bodies and asking them if they were romantically interested in him. In 2019, Santos was the subject of an internal investigation after Rhiannon Walker, a reporter for The Athletic, informed club management Santos had pinched her, told her she had "an a** like a wagon,” and repeatedly asked her to date him, Walker said in an interview with The Post. Nora Princiotti, a reporter for The Ringer who formerly covered the team, also said in an interview that she was harassed by Santos. Santos, who was fired this past week, declined to comment.

 

- Richard Mann II, assistant director of pro personnel, who in one text message obtained by the The Post told a female employee he and his colleagues debated whether her breasts had been surgically enhanced and in another text message told another female employee to expect an "inappropriate hug … And don’t worry that will be a stapler in my pocket, nothing else.” Mann, who also was fired last week, declined to comment.

 

- Dennis Greene, former president of business operations, implored female sales staff to wear low-cut blouses, tight skirts and flirt with wealthy suite holders, according to five former employees, including Applegate. Greene’s 17-year career with the club ended in 2018 amid a scandal over the revelation he had sold access to Redskins cheerleaders — including attendance at a bikini calendar photo shoot in Costa Rica — as part of premium suite packages. Greene declined to comment.

 

- Mitch Gershman, former chief operating officer, who Applegate said routinely berated her for trivial problems such as printer malfunctions while also complimenting her body. Two other former female employees supported Applegate’s account of her sexual harassment and verbal abuse by Gershman, who left the team in 2015.

 

[paco]

You have to know where to look to find them anymore, but here are some "blogs" they had on their site back in 2006

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5:00 p.m., Saturday, Sept. 16 -- Got return call from VIP -- name withheld to protect the wicked. Informed to meet up at team hotel and, "Do some research." No more needed to be said. First Google search to be, "Dallas adult nightlife."

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8:20 p.m. -- Arrive at the Strip House which is aptly named not just for the steak it will serve, but, the pictures of nude women all over the wall everywhere. Opinion is offered that we LIKE such pictures. A very adorable hostess suggests she does two, which prompts immediate flirting by others to said hostess.

 

I'm happy to help the prosecution dig em up