The official Hurts/Minshew/Stinnett/Strong/EJ Perry containment thread

[ManchesterEagle]

1 hour ago, CouchKing said:

I don't think 32 teams messed up.

I think they red flagged him as an injury risk.

He is still an injury risk.

And, he hasn't proven that he can adjust to the NFL game yet.

It's all speculation at this point.

 

 

1 hour ago, Shalodeep said:

Injury risk which I'm actually uncomfortable with. Best ability is availability

I think he’s a third round talent and the injury risks pushed him out. I see his realistic upside as a high end backup/Nick Foles. Capable of elite play, but not a franchise QB. That would still be great if he reached that level as we will likely need a new back up in 2023 and beyond, regardless of what happens with Hurts.

[Shalodeep]

44 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

(73) Every Kenny PIckett Throw/Run Senior Bowl 2022 - YouTube

Pickett didn't seem to have a problem working with the same offense.

I said long before the draft that Pickett was the only legit first rounder in the draft, and your argument I'm guessing defends that. Strong was throwing the last few seasons with purely arm and got used to going off his back foot vs driving anything. If you watched that line with strong and felt comfortable, then you obviously have a bias into your opinion. Watch them back to back and tell me that it looks like the same line 

[Shalodeep]

19 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

I think he’s a third round talent and the injury risks pushed him out. I see his realistic upside as a high end backup/Nick Foles. Capable of elite play, but not a franchise QB. That would still be great if he reached that level as we will likely need a new back up in 2023 and beyond, regardless of what happens with Hurts.

Nick Foles or Flacco type would definitely be comparable. I like strongs release and arm talent to their level. A few things between those types of QBs too

[CouchKing]

So, if we're down by 3 scores and in junk time, maybe we bring in Minshew or Strong, just to get them some live reps.

Then the Huggers would reject junk time stats. "It's not fair..."

[KDUB1510]

8 hours ago, rrfierce said:

Strong looks the real deal from that tape.

Love the way that he gets the ball out quickly and accurately. Doesn't panic and drops some absolute dimes. A lot of the longer throws are on the money and the receivers don't have to make much adjustment which is beautiful.

I'm excited for this guy!

He still needs some work but he has a talented arm. There isn't a throw he cant make from the pocket. Saw a few throws on the move but he doesnt look as comfortable doing that. He's not a complete statue like some are suggesting. He has been playing on a compromised knee basically his whole college career. I think that's a testament to his toughness, skill and arm talent because he was very productive and dropped alot of dimes on 1 & a half legs. Played 31 out of 34 games and the 3 he missed werent due to the knee. If that dead guy's cartilage that was inserted into Strong's knee ends up putting this all behind him, we might have something.

[ThinkGreen]

On 5/13/2022 at 8:25 AM, Shalodeep said:

Injury risk which I'm actually uncomfortable with. Best ability is availability

Realistically, he's a project who they can evaluate without costing much.

[ToastJenkins]

On 5/13/2022 at 10:21 AM, Mike030270 said:

I think I'd be worried the first time he gets sacked

And every time after that…thus why he dropped

[ThinkGreen]

2 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

And every time after that…thus why he dropped

He'd need a Brady-like ability to get rid of the ball quickly and avoid late hits.

[E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles]

On 5/13/2022 at 11:37 AM, Shalodeep said:

Nick Foles or Flacco type would definitely be comparable. I like strongs release and arm talent to their level. A few things between those types of QBs too

Two guys with SB wins and MVPs.  If his upside is that, Jalen is long gone.

[Shalodeep]

6 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Two guys with SB wins and MVPs.  If his upside is that, Jalen is long gone.

Lol didn't say he would have their success. Plenty of guys with size with strong arms come along all the time in the league.... Strong has that classic pocket style of play versus whatever the hell we are trying right now. Will it translate to anymore than a qb3? Who knows...but been watching his film for awhile now and love the ability to get it down field and get it into the end zone (Cole Turner eating anything in the end zone helps). I will enjoy the camp hype like everyone else and hope he makes the squad. If someone goes down and minshew gets snagged up, he may legit become our #2 and be an injury away. 

[CouchKing]

Why is Carson Strong #8? 

Same number as punter Arryn Siposs.

And why does Zach Pascal have no number yet?

Per Eagles website.

Do any of you Carson Strong fans know why he's wearing #8?

[ThinkGreen]

On 5/13/2022 at 10:21 AM, Mike030270 said:

I think I'd be worried the first time he gets sacked

We did okay with Sam Bradford. Not that I'm saying this guy is at Bradford's level now.

[brkmsn]

6 hours ago, CouchKing said:

Why is Carson Strong #8? 

Same number as punter Arryn Siposs.

And why does Zach Pascal have no number yet?

Per Eagles website.

Do any of you Carson Strong fans know why he's wearing #8?

Pascal gave up #11 to Brown. I guess he hasn't picked a new number yet. 

[eglz1]

On 5/10/2022 at 12:42 PM, KDUB1510 said:

Year after year we hear about teams wanting QBs who are dual threats

If watching football is mostly about entertainment, dual threat Quarterbacks are more entertaining than the likes of Tom Brady who take a couple steps this way, a couple steps that way -- and complete the pass. Michael Vick back in the day and Lamar Jackson today are very entertaining when they run around in the backfield then take off downfield.

[CouchKing]

1 hour ago, eglz1 said:

If watching football is mostly about entertainment, dual threat Quarterbacks are more entertaining than the likes of Tom Brady who take a couple steps this way, a couple steps that way -- and complete the pass. Michael Vick back in the day and Lamar Jackson today are very entertaining when they run around in the backfield then take off downfield.

Tom Brady is so boring. 

All he does is win championships.

[Vileborg]

A QB in the pocket has access to the whole field. A QB on a bootleg or who rolls out of the pocket immediately cuts the field in half making it easier to defend. It causes many of the runners to suffer in completion percentage because once they get out of the pocket it's easier for a defense to cover and the percentage of those throws get lower because the QB is on the run and off base trying to make a throw. Both Jackson and Wilson have had hot seasons but they both are settling in about 64% completion. They both have had world beater seasons but both have silently disappeared in recent years.

Last year neither team made the playoffs and averaged 22pts/game. Jackson was horrible and Russell, while not bad, wasn't great either. Not saying that Hurts is on their level but I do think they are his ceiling at their current level and he's not far from reaching it.

 

[eglz1]

35 minutes ago, CouchKing said:

Tom Brady is so boring. 

All he does is win championships.

Absolutely!! Who wants that crap when you can watch Jalen or Lamar run around?

[ManchesterEagle]

5 hours ago, Vileborg said:

A QB in the pocket has access to the whole field. A QB on a bootleg or who rolls out of the pocket immediately cuts the field in half making it easier to defend. It causes many of the runners to suffer in completion percentage because once they get out of the pocket it's easier for a defense to cover and the percentage of those throws get lower because the QB is on the run and off base trying to make a throw. Both Jackson and Wilson have had hot seasons but they both are settling in about 64% completion. They both have had world beater seasons but both have silently disappeared in recent years.

Last year neither team made the playoffs and averaged 22pts/game. Jackson was horrible and Russell, while not bad, wasn't great either. Not saying that Hurts is on their level but I do think they are his ceiling at their current level and he's not far from reaching it.

 

Wilson wasn't great last year, but he was hurt/checked out.

Russell Wilson career percentage - 65%

Tom Brady career percentage - 64.2%

Now I'm not saying for a minute that Wilson is better than Brady, nobody is, but it's just rubbish to say that Wilson is in any way easy to defend. If Hurts gets close to peak Wilson then we are incredibly lucky.

[Vileborg]

1 hour ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Wilson wasn't great last year, but he was hurt/checked out.

Russell Wilson career percentage - 65%

Tom Brady career percentage - 64.2%

Now I'm not saying for a minute that Wilson is better than Brady, nobody is, but it's just rubbish to say that Wilson is in any way easy to defend. If Hurts gets close to peak Wilson then we are incredibly lucky.

I tell you what, Jalen improves 5% from his 59%(53% playoffs) career accuracy I'll be happy. Now, if he can improve his win % from 43%(0% playoffs) to 75% in both then I'll be really happy.

[time2rock]

On 4/30/2022 at 11:39 PM, jsb235 said:

Okay, the Eagles qb situation has reached defcon 1 level of craziness, and there is a real danger of it making the rest of the forum unreadable. So in the interest of trying to save the universe, I present a thread for everyone to puke out all their thoughts about who the next qb of this team should be - future backup running back Jalen Hurts, future porn star Gardner Minshew, future one-legged pirate Carson Strong, future US congressman EJ Perry or future trivia question answer Ried Stinnett, a man so forgotten in this mayhem that you didn't even notice I spelled his name wrong, and are now furiously googling to see if I am referring to his first or last name, without realizing the answer was actually both.

So if you have any insight into why various UDFAs should be the starting qb of the Philadelphia football team, or why Gardner Minshew should be throwing darts and breaking hearts, or happen to be related to Red Sunset and just want to weigh in on the discussion, this is the thread to do it. Because the rest of the forum needs to be saved from the endless qb discussion that was somewhat containable until five minutes after the draft ended, but which now has exploded into a covid-like plague that threatens to snuff out all other conversation, like how much Howie sucks.     

Why is EJ Perry in the title of this thread?  His time here was shorter than a cup of coffee … he was never signed.  

[brkmsn]

1 hour ago, time2rock said:

Why is EJ Perry in the title of this thread?  His time here was shorter than a cup of coffee … he was never signed.  

He's an Eagles legend like Frank Gore and LeCharles Bentley. 

[brkmsn]

On 5/15/2022 at 2:58 PM, CouchKing said:

Why is Carson Strong #8? 

Same number as punter Arryn Siposs.

One has the arm, the other has the leg. Together they make a whole man. 

[EazyEaglez]

Not going to bother reading through this thread. Pretty sure it’s just another outlet for the same  🤡 to whine about Hurts. All I will state is I don’t care who the Eagles quarterback is as long as he wins. If Carson Strong, Minshew, Sinnett, or a combination of all of them lead us to a championship I don’t care. Winning is what matters most. Everything else is meaningless and stupid. 

[Diehardfan]

33 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Not going to bother reading through this thread. Pretty sure it’s just another outlet for the same  🤡 to whine about Hurts. All I will state is I don’t care who the Eagles quarterback is as long as he wins. If Carson Strong, Minshew, Sinnett, or a combination of all of them lead us to a championship I don’t care. Winning is what matters most. Everything else is meaningless and stupid. 

Yeah, which is why most of us don't want Hurts. This team could have a real chance to make some noise but they have a guy who isn't a pocket QB in a league where that is how you win in the playoffs. He will beat some bad teams, the OL/running game will make him look better than he is, but when it comes down to it he is the guy who got his bleep kicked in Tampa.

[EazyEaglez]

8 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

Yeah, which is why most of us don't want Hurts. This team could have a real chance to make some noise but they have a guy who isn't a pocket QB in a league where that is how you win in the playoffs. He will beat some bad teams, the OL/running game will make him look better than he is, but when it comes down to it he is the guy who got his bleep kicked in Tampa.

Winning is what matters. All of your preconceived ASSumptions mean little to nothing in regards to winning. All of you fawned over Wentz and he never won a playoff game. As I stated I don’t care who leads us to victory nor do I care about how he looks doing it as long as he wins.