Hurts in 2022

[CouchKing]

1 hour ago, Shalodeep said:

For the year and then another QB will come in because they won't be paying a QB 40 million to run touchdowns in 

It would be grotesque to give a $40 mil extension to Hurts.

I’d rather trade him. Let another team sign him to that sort of money.

[Shalodeep]

54 minutes ago, CouchKing said:

It would be grotesque to give a $40 mil extension to Hurts.

I’d rather trade him. Let another team sign him to that sort of money.

Even with a good year, I wouldn't be able to extend him next year due to everything he has done previous. Mariota, Trubisky, Bortles all had one season that showed lots of promise and came crashing down.  He should have to perform this year and be good half way through next year for an extension, but Howie loves his early deals so who knows. I definitely wouldn't go near 40.

 

[RememberTheKoy]

4 hours ago, Shalodeep said:

For the year and then another QB will come in because they won't be paying a QB 40 million to run touchdowns in 

 

Great logic there that you don't think Hurts is any good yet think he will be demanding a $40M a year contract. 

[Shalodeep]

13 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Great logic there that you don't think Hurts is any good yet think he will be demanding a $40M a year contract. 

That's about the going rate of good starting QBs of late and the manis already trademarking...so I'm going to guess he thinks he's worth something 

Edit: between 30-50 seems to be the rate atm 

[EagleJoe8]

5 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I just watched Steve Young on a football life.... He said it's nice to be able to run but you can't survive the QB position just running around. He said that your number one job is to sit in the pocket and deliver the football accurately and on time that's your job and you have to do it to be a QB. 

What would that old fart know??

[eglz1]

3 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Great logic there that you don't think Hurts is any good yet think he will be demanding a $40M a year contract. 

It isn't what we think he's worth. It's what Hurts -- and his agent -- think Hurts is worth. And if Howie thinks Hurts is worth what Hurts thinks Hurts is worth. He probably will, I suspect Howie views Hurts like he views JJAW and Reagor.

[Swoop]

13 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

It isn't what we think he's worth. It's what Hurts -- and his agent -- think Hurts is worth. And if Howie thinks Hurts is worth what Hurts thinks Hurts is worth. He probably will, I suspect Howie views Hurts like he views JJAW and Reagor.

Think about who it is you're talking to. You need to use language he can comprehend. Draw him a picture with some crayons.

[eglz1]

2 hours ago, Swoop said:

Think about who it is you're talking to. You need to use language he can comprehend. Draw him a picture with some crayons.

Oh, be nice🙂. If Jalen plays like we fear Jalen will play, RTK will suffer enough trauma.

[Bwestbrook36]

6 hours ago, EagleJoe8 said:

What would that old fart know??

Not to much apparently lol

[RememberTheKoy]

11 hours ago, Shalodeep said:

That's about the going rate of good starting QBs of late and the manis already trademarking...so I'm going to guess he thinks he's worth something 

Edit: between 30-50 seems to be the rate atm 

 

 

Alright so QBs that make at least $30M per year:  So you believe that Jalen Hurts will play well enough this season to show he's at least as good as all of those QBs.  

 

Player	Team	Age	Total Value	Avg./Year ▾	Total Guaranteed	Fully Guaranteed	Free Agency
Aaron Rodgers	Packers	39	$150,815,000	$50,271,667	$150,665,000	$101,415,000	2027 UFA
Deshaun Watson	Browns	27	$230,000,000	$46,000,000	$230,000,000	$230,000,000	2027 UFA
Patrick Mahomes	Chiefs	27	$450,000,000	$45,000,000	$141,000,000	$63,081,905	2032 UFA
Josh Allen	Bills	26	$258,000,000	$43,000,000	$150,000,000	$100,000,000	2029 UFA
Derek Carr	Raiders	31	$121,422,481	$40,474,160	$65,300,000	$24,900,000	2026 UFA
Dak Prescott	Cowboys	29	$160,000,000	$40,000,000	$126,000,000	$95,000,000	2025 Void
Matt Stafford	Rams	34	$160,000,000	$40,000,000	$120,000,000	$63,000,000	2027 UFA
Kirk Cousins	Vikings	34	$35,000,000	$35,000,000	$35,000,000	$35,000,000	2024 Void
Russell Wilson	Broncos	34	$140,000,000	$35,000,000	$107,000,000	$70,000,000	2024 UFA
Jared Goff	Lions	28	$134,000,000	$33,500,000	$110,042,682	$57,042,682	2025 UFA
Carson Wentz	Commanders	30	$128,000,000	$32,000,000	$107,870,683	$66,470,683	2025 UFA
Matt Ryan	Colts	37	$150,000,000	$30,000,000	$100,000,000	$94,500,000	2024 UFA

[RememberTheKoy]

8 hours ago, eglz1 said:

It isn't what we think he's worth. It's what Hurts -- and his agent -- think Hurts is worth. And if Howie thinks Hurts is worth what Hurts thinks Hurts is worth. He probably will, I suspect Howie views Hurts like he views JJAW and Reagor.

 

Has Howie signed JJAW and Reagor to new large contracts?  Do you think they will?  

[Guest]

6 hours ago, eglz1 said:

Oh, be nice🙂. If Jalen plays like we fear Jalen will play, RTK will have to put the entire board on ignore

FYP

[Shalodeep]

5 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

Alright so QBs that make at least $30M per year:  So you believe that Jalen Hurts will play well enough this season to show he's at least as good as all of those QBs.  

 

Player	Team	Age	Total Value	Avg./Year ▾	Total Guaranteed	Fully Guaranteed	Free Agency
Aaron Rodgers	Packers	39	$150,815,000	$50,271,667	$150,665,000	$101,415,000	2027 UFA
Deshaun Watson	Browns	27	$230,000,000	$46,000,000	$230,000,000	$230,000,000	2027 UFA
Patrick Mahomes	Chiefs	27	$450,000,000	$45,000,000	$141,000,000	$63,081,905	2032 UFA
Josh Allen	Bills	26	$258,000,000	$43,000,000	$150,000,000	$100,000,000	2029 UFA
Derek Carr	Raiders	31	$121,422,481	$40,474,160	$65,300,000	$24,900,000	2026 UFA
Dak Prescott	Cowboys	29	$160,000,000	$40,000,000	$126,000,000	$95,000,000	2025 Void
Matt Stafford	Rams	34	$160,000,000	$40,000,000	$120,000,000	$63,000,000	2027 UFA
Kirk Cousins	Vikings	34	$35,000,000	$35,000,000	$35,000,000	$35,000,000	2024 Void
Russell Wilson	Broncos	34	$140,000,000	$35,000,000	$107,000,000	$70,000,000	2024 UFA
Jared Goff	Lions	28	$134,000,000	$33,500,000	$110,042,682	$57,042,682	2025 UFA
Carson Wentz	Commanders	30	$128,000,000	$32,000,000	$107,870,683	$66,470,683	2025 UFA
Matt Ryan	Colts	37	$150,000,000	$30,000,000	$100,000,000	$94,500,000	2024 UFA

I believe Jalen is in the next tier of QBs with Tua. Guys who aren't world burners, but can win some games 

[stine]

On ‎6‎/‎25‎/‎2022 at 10:36 PM, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

Alright so QBs that make at least $30M per year:  So you believe that Jalen Hurts will play well enough this season to show he's at least as good as all of those QBs.  

 

Player	Team	Age	Total Value	Avg./Year ▾	Total Guaranteed	Fully Guaranteed	Free Agency
Aaron Rodgers	Packers	39	$150,815,000	$50,271,667	$150,665,000	$101,415,000	2027 UFA
Deshaun Watson	Browns	27	$230,000,000	$46,000,000	$230,000,000	$230,000,000	2027 UFA
Patrick Mahomes	Chiefs	27	$450,000,000	$45,000,000	$141,000,000	$63,081,905	2032 UFA
Josh Allen	Bills	26	$258,000,000	$43,000,000	$150,000,000	$100,000,000	2029 UFA
Derek Carr	Raiders	31	$121,422,481	$40,474,160	$65,300,000	$24,900,000	2026 UFA
Dak Prescott	Cowboys	29	$160,000,000	$40,000,000	$126,000,000	$95,000,000	2025 Void
Matt Stafford	Rams	34	$160,000,000	$40,000,000	$120,000,000	$63,000,000	2027 UFA
Kirk Cousins	Vikings	34	$35,000,000	$35,000,000	$35,000,000	$35,000,000	2024 Void
Russell Wilson	Broncos	34	$140,000,000	$35,000,000	$107,000,000	$70,000,000	2024 UFA
Jared Goff	Lions	28	$134,000,000	$33,500,000	$110,042,682	$57,042,682	2025 UFA
Carson Wentz	Commanders	30	$128,000,000	$32,000,000	$107,870,683	$66,470,683	2025 UFA
Matt Ryan	Colts	37	$150,000,000	$30,000,000	$100,000,000	$94,500,000	2024 UFA

  We do not believe Jalen will play well enough. But what we think does not matter. It is what Jalen thinks. If he feels he has played well enough, he will demand Cousins type money at a Minimum.... As this is a year or more later he may demand Stafford type money....

[Shalodeep]

5 hours ago, stine said:

  We do not believe Jalen will play well enough. But what we think does not matter. It is what Jalen thinks. If he feels he has played well enough, he will demand Cousins type money at a Minimum.... As this is a year or more later he may demand Stafford type money....

Nope and if he proves us wrong the next two years, I would celebrate paying him. But right now, he plays like a few players that no fan base stayed excited about for too long. Same OC, great receiving options, #1 running game, #1 OLine. No excuse. The defense I feel will hand him shorter yards too. 

 

 

[RememberTheKoy]

9 hours ago, stine said:

  We do not believe Jalen will play well enough. But what we think does not matter. It is what Jalen thinks. If he feels he has played well enough, he will demand Cousins type money at a Minimum.... As this is a year or more later he may demand Stafford type money....

 

He would have to play well enough to demand that money though.  You understand this right?  Reagor could demand tomorrow that the Eagles pay him like AJ Brown but that doesn't mean the Eagles would then give him a contract like AJ Brown.  

[stine]

14 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

He would have to play well enough to demand that money though.  You understand this right?  Reagor could demand tomorrow that the Eagles pay him like AJ Brown but that doesn't mean the Eagles would then give him a contract like AJ Brown.  

   Correct, Reagor can demand all he wants, but the Eagles would not pay. Hurts can also demand want he wants. But this is based by what he feels. Not you I or the Eagles.  If the Eagles make the play-offs and win a game, he may feel the reason was his play, regardless of his stats. So, he demands 40 mil. Eagles then need to decide if he is worth it or to cut ties. Not difficult concept to understand. Where you are missing the point is what you or I feel is "Well enough", may be entirely different then what he or his agents think.

   Bottom Line is he needs to show us he can throw the rock. No one needs a running back playing his position.

[stine]

14 hours ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

He would have to play well enough to demand that money though.  You understand this right?  Reagor could demand tomorrow that the Eagles pay him like AJ Brown but that doesn't mean the Eagles would then give him a contract like AJ Brown.  

Hurts throws for 3800 yards, 63% Completion percentage, 21 TDs, 14 INT's and runs for 800 yards. Is that good enough for you to pay him 40 Mil? Because if the Eagles make the play-offs and win a game, that is exactly what he will be asking. These stats are good enough for middle of the pack QB. Anything worse and I cut ties. Anything better, I need to look at the film to decide. I could care less about his running stats. I need to see what he does passing this season. I do not feel that will improve, but I could be wrong....

[Shalodeep]

1 hour ago, stine said:

Hurts throws for 3800 yards, 63% Completion percentage, 21 TDs, 14 INT's and runs for 800 yards. Is that good enough for you to pay him 40 Mil? Because if the Eagles make the play-offs and win a game, that is exactly what he will be asking. These stats are good enough for middle of the pack QB. Anything worse and I cut ties. Anything better, I need to look at the film to decide. I could care less about his running stats. I need to see what he does passing this season. I do not feel that will improve, but I could be wrong....

Anything less than 25 passing tds with this set up should immediately be replaced or replacement drafted. 14 ints would be tied with Carr, Tannehill, Burrow...one of these isn't like the others with 34tds and a 70.4 completion percentage lol  if he goes 26/10 3800 63.5% and uses the middle of the field and gets ahead of his receivers for the deep ball, he should get another look in 2023....anything less, no. If he blows them out of the water....then it's truly the Hurts era in Philly. I'm not expecting him to do a one season turn around with his trait set, but who the hell knows. 

[RememberTheKoy]

2 hours ago, stine said:

   Correct, Reagor can demand all he wants, but the Eagles would not pay. Hurts can also demand want he wants. But this is based by what he feels. Not you I or the Eagles.  If the Eagles make the play-offs and win a game, he may feel the reason was his play, regardless of his stats. So, he demands 40 mil. Eagles then need to decide if he is worth it or to cut ties. Not difficult concept to understand. Where you are missing the point is what you or I feel is "Well enough", may be entirely different then what he or his agents think.

   Bottom Line is he needs to show us he can throw the rock. No one needs a running back playing his position.

 

 

You really don't seem to understand that the Eagles would have to be interested in paying him that much in order for them to actually pay him that much.  And if he plays well enough for the Eagles to then believe he is worth that much then that's good a thing. 

[RememberTheKoy]

1 hour ago, stine said:

Hurts throws for 3800 yards, 63% Completion percentage, 21 TDs, 14 INT's and runs for 800 yards. Is that good enough for you to pay him 40 Mil? Because if the Eagles make the play-offs and win a game, that is exactly what he will be asking. These stats are good enough for middle of the pack QB. Anything worse and I cut ties. Anything better, I need to look at the film to decide. I could care less about his running stats. I need to see what he does passing this season. I do not feel that will improve, but I could be wrong....

 

No that probably wouldn't be good enough. That's be a fairly significant increase in turnovers for a guy who does not turn the ball over at a high rate. 

What middle of the pack QB has been signing $40M per year contracts? 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, stine said:

Hurts throws for 3800 yards, 63% Completion percentage, 21 TDs, 14 INT's and runs for 800 yards. 

 

12 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

No that probably wouldn't be good enough. That's be a fairly significant increase in turnovers for a guy who does not turn the ball over at a high rate. 

Actually, that would be about right.  If you extrapolate his number last year, taking his YPA and getting to 3800 yards, that would be 11.5 int's.  But, just like anything else, the more you do something, the more chances you have to throw an interception.  A guy can go a couple of games with a low interception percentage, but the more you throw, the more the chances of an interception increase.   Kind of like a pitcher in baseball having an ERA under 1 for the first two months of the season, law of averages says that is not going to hold up.

[olsilverhair]

This is rtk’s thread, he done moved in and set up shop

[Shalodeep]

10 minutes ago, olsilverhair said:

This is rtk’s thread, he done moved in and set up shop

Each one of these pages has its own gatekeeper 

[Shalodeep]

44 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

No that probably wouldn't be good enough. That's be a fairly significant increase in turnovers for a guy who does not turn the ball over at a high rate. 

What middle of the pack QB has been signing $40M per year contracts? 

If he is throwing more this year, he is definitely throwing more picks for how off the mark he was. The attempts alone will put him around 12-13ish. If he keeps running the way he did and they stay only at 9int, chances are he had ran himself out of the job. would be great if he went 21/9 3800 63% , but definitely short of the 40 mark. Hell a few or those 40 mill guys I would of paid, and I like them overall as QBs.