November 12, 20232 yr One of the reasons The Eagles decided to hire Sirianni was because he believes in designing an offense (and defense) around the team's strengths instead of pushing a system. Since His arrival, the Eagles have not utilized the slot receiver the same way most other teams do. In 2021, Quez was the 2nd best WR on the team behind Smith. Reagor was the slot. When we brought in Brown, Quez was the 3rd best WR on the team, Reagor was traded and Quez moved to the slot. Sirianni hasn't been utilizing his slot receivers to be high volume targets underneath. He prefers to use their speed to stretch the field and open things up underneath for everybody else --- including the run game. Quez has been hurt most of the year. He's played only 115 snaps. Everybody keeps wondering why our offense doesn't seem as explosive as last season and why we haven't been able to get our 3 main targets going in the same game. Quez played 681 snaps last season. While his statistical production wasn't anything special, the offense clicked and Goedert, Smith, and Brown were all involved on a more regular basis. Maybe the things Sirianni says about Quez are actually true. Maybe this year, the offense has just been missing the things Quez did last season.
November 12, 20232 yr It will be telling if they pull him off IR. They have next to nothing in OZ and the next 3-4 weeks will teach us (and them) what they have in Jones. Even if Jones steps up, they could use another WR. If they leave Watkins on IR, then they have given up.
November 12, 20232 yr 20 hours ago, EagleVA said: This is my issue with the conclusions of most on Quez, other than those silly bubble screens, how often do they throw to him underneath? Pretty much never so how do you say he struggles underneath? Moreover, other than the silly bubble screens, how often is he targeted at all? If you say he isn't thrown to because Hurts has no trust in him, did Hurts not trust Goedert early in the season and has he not trusted Smith as of late, he surely hasn't been targeted much. The lack of spreading the ball around is going to burn the Eagles if it continues, count on it! The problem with throwing to your boy underneath is nothing good generally comes from it. Quez is scared of contact. When he gets hit bad things like this photo happens or he stops running his route against the Giants which led to a Hurts interception. Or he gets the ball ripped out his hands TWICE against the Cowboys which led to two interceptions for Minshew. Hurts has every right not to trust him, because when defenders are around him he folds up. He’s best when he’s all alone. Like I’ve already mentioned before that touchdown Hurts threw to Jones in the end zone he never would have thrown to Watkins, because Watkins is scared of contact. You can’t be a good football players if you are scared of contact. Where are you getting this idea that the Eagles aren’t spreading the ball around though? They have thrown the ball to WRs, TEs, and even the backs this year far more than they have any other time with Hurts as the quarterback. Not sure what your claim is based on. Eleven different players have caught a pass from Hurts this year.
November 13, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, EazyEaglez said: Eleven different players have caught a pass from Hurts this year. This year? Can't get much funnier than that......I'm sure there must be an opening for a clown somewhere, you should apply.
November 13, 20232 yr 26 minutes ago, EagleVA said: This year? Can't get much funnier than that......I'm sure there must be an opening for a clown somewhere, you should apply. Last year ten players caught at least one pass from Hurts so what is the point you are trying to make? 😂🤣😂
November 13, 20232 yr 10 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said: Last year ten players caught at least one pass from Hurts so what is the point you are trying to make? 😂🤣😂 There's never a point... notice that he ignored my comment that Hurts has spread it around to 7-8 guys per game this year when the rushing game isn't going berserk.
November 13, 20232 yr "Everybody keeps wondering why our offense doesn't seem as explosive as last season” Perhaps it has less to do with twinkle toes and more to do with Jalen Hurts not being able to provide his 6 plus runs of 20 yards or more? Heck even Miles Sanders gave us 7 or more 20 plus runs last year. Not to mention AJ Brown is somehow better than he was last year. Trying to portray Quez Watkins as the key to making this offense go is laughable. 😂
November 13, 20232 yr 19 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said: "Everybody keeps wondering why our offense doesn't seem as explosive as last season” Perhaps it has less to do with twinkle toes and more to do with Jalen Hurts not being able to provide his 6 plus runs of 20 yards or more? Heck even Miles Sanders gave us 7 or more 20 plus runs last year. Not to mention AJ Brown is somehow better than he was last year. Trying to portray Quez Watkins as the key to making this offense go is laughable. 😂 Offense is plenty explosive... they were stalling in the Red Zone.
November 13, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, judunno said: Offense is plenty explosive... they were stalling in the Red Zone. Exactly. The offense is statistically the same as last season, but the run game is down, the turnovers are up, and the red zone has been a struggle, but they’re getting better in these areas except the run game right now. No one is missing Quez Watkins not catch passes. If he comes back he needs to contribute and not be some useless decoy, because the Eagles need someone to make up for the loss of Goedert while he’s gone. Didn’t AJ Brown beat three Steelers defenders for a deep touchdown last season? If Quez was such an important deep decoy why in the world did they need three people to cover one guy? 😂
November 13, 20232 yr 3 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said: Exactly. The offense is statistically the same as last season, but the run game is down, the turnovers are up, and the red zone has been a struggle, but they’re getting better in these areas except the run game right now. No one is missing Quez Watkins not catch passes. If he comes back he needs to contribute and not be some useless decoy, because the Eagles need someone to make up for the loss of Goedert while he’s gone. Didn’t AJ Brown beat three Steelers defenders for a deep touchdown last season? If Quez was such an important deep decoy why in the world did they need three people to cover one guy? 😂 Indeed... and teams are really trying their best to stop the Eagles x plays. Hence the ridiculously long drives and dominance in TOP.
November 13, 20232 yr 21 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said: More like queef twatkins I'm I right? He’s super elite and essential!
November 13, 20232 yr 10 hours ago, judunno said: Offense is plenty explosive... they were stalling in the Red Zone. The media has been discussing the topic almost weekly. Hurts himself has acknowledged weekly that they still haven't played up to their own expectations. While AJ Brown is having an MVPish season, everybody else has dropped off compared to last season. 2022 Eagles: Yards per play: 5.9 Yards per pass attempt: 7.1 Yards per rush: 4.6 D. Smith yards per game and YPR: 70.4 / 12.6 Goedert yards per game and YPR: 58.5 / 12.8 2023 Eagles: Yards per play: 5.5 Yards per pass attempt: 6.8 Yards per rush: 4.0 D. Smith yards per game and YPR: 59.2 / 12.7 Goedert yards per game and YPR: 45.6 / 10.8 The fact remains, the offense has not been as explosive as last season.
November 13, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, brkmsn said: The media has been discussing the topic almost weekly. Hurts himself has acknowledged weekly that they still haven't played up to their own expectations. While AJ Brown is having an MVPish season, everybody else has dropped off compared to last season. 2022 Eagles: Yards per play: 5.9 Yards per pass attempt: 7.1 Yards per rush: 4.6 D. Smith yards per game and YPR: 70.4 / 12.6 Goedert yards per game and YPR: 58.5 / 12.8 2023 Eagles: Yards per play: 5.5 Yards per pass attempt: 6.8 Yards per rush: 4.0 D. Smith yards per game and YPR: 59.2 / 12.7 Goedert yards per game and YPR: 45.6 / 10.8 The fact remains, the offense has not been as explosive as last season. Defenses are playing them differently than last year. New OC to adjust to. They're essentially taking what the defenses give them. Doesn't mean that the offense is any less explosive they're just doing it in more plays out of necessity because defenses are doing their best to take away the x plays. Also have to account for the many tush pushes when it comes to rushing and yards per play. The avgs aren't all that different really. Still 8 games to go to improve those numbers. I'm more concerned with the turnovers and redzone personally.
November 13, 20232 yr 2 hours ago, judunno said: Defenses are playing them differently than last year. New OC to adjust to. They're essentially taking what the defenses give them. Doesn't mean that the offense is any less explosive they're just doing it in more plays out of necessity because defenses are doing their best to take away the x plays. Also have to account for the many tush pushes when it comes to rushing and yards per play. The avgs aren't all that different really. Still 8 games to go to improve those numbers. I'm more concerned with the turnovers and redzone personally. Issues have more to do with Hurts injury and Jurgens injury. When Quez was out there he didn’t exactly make the offense look any better with him running out of bounds and losing yards now did he? 🤔😂🤣😂
November 13, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said: Issues have more to do with Hurts injury and Jurgens injury. When Quez was out there he didn’t exactly make the offense look any better with him running out of bounds and losing yards now did he? 🤔😂🤣😂 Enough... now you leave Quez alone... he's one of ours. Put some respeck on that man's eliteness.
November 14, 20232 yr 5 hours ago, judunno said: Enough... now you leave Quez alone... he's one of ours. Put some respeck on that man's eliteness. You’re right. My bad. 😂
November 15, 20232 yr On 11/13/2023 at 1:00 PM, brkmsn said: The media has been discussing the topic almost weekly. Hurts himself has acknowledged weekly that they still haven't played up to their own expectations. While AJ Brown is having an MVPish season, everybody else has dropped off compared to last season. 2022 Eagles: Yards per play: 5.9 Yards per pass attempt: 7.1 Yards per rush: 4.6 D. Smith yards per game and YPR: 70.4 / 12.6 Goedert yards per game and YPR: 58.5 / 12.8 2023 Eagles: Yards per play: 5.5 Yards per pass attempt: 6.8 Yards per rush: 4.0 D. Smith yards per game and YPR: 59.2 / 12.7 Goedert yards per game and YPR: 45.6 / 10.8 The fact remains, the offense has not been as explosive as last season. Last year Watkins yard per reception was 10.7 which means In the Eagles most explosive offense in years he had a career low in yards per reception, this year pre injury he was running at 5.3 yards per reception, Zacchaeus is currently at 14.5 ypr, ergo Watkins absence isn't the reason the offense is less explosive than last year.
November 15, 20232 yr On 11/13/2023 at 8:00 AM, brkmsn said: The media has been discussing the topic almost weekly. Hurts himself has acknowledged weekly that they still haven't played up to their own expectations. While AJ Brown is having an MVPish season, everybody else has dropped off compared to last season. 2022 Eagles: Yards per play: 5.9 Yards per pass attempt: 7.1 Yards per rush: 4.6 D. Smith yards per game and YPR: 70.4 / 12.6 Goedert yards per game and YPR: 58.5 / 12.8 2023 Eagles: Yards per play: 5.5 Yards per pass attempt: 6.8 Yards per rush: 4.0 D. Smith yards per game and YPR: 59.2 / 12.7 Goedert yards per game and YPR: 45.6 / 10.8 The fact remains, the offense has not been as explosive as last season. Could that just be attributed to (1) the change in OC (there does seem to be somewhat of a lack of creativity in scheme and general play design) and (2) playing a tougher schedule?
November 15, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, Cochis_Calhoun said: Last year Watkins yard per reception was 10.7 which means In the Eagles most explosive offense in years he had a career low in yards per reception, this year pre injury he was running at 5.3 yards per reception, Zacchaeus is currently at 14.5 ypr, ergo Watkins absence isn't the reason the offense is less explosive than last year. It's not about the production the players bring directly. It's about whether or not defenses play the Eagles differently because of Watkins' speed and how he's used within his role in the offense. Even if you were talking about the individual production, it's way down for the slot guy this year through 9 games (12-119 yards) 9.9 average. Watkins was only able to play all or most of a game 2 times this season. The last one, vs the rams, Goedert had his best game of the season by far (8-117). 18 minutes ago, time2rock said: Could that just be attributed to (1) the change in OC (there does seem to be somewhat of a lack of creativity in scheme and general play design) and (2) playing a tougher schedule? A lot of things can be factors. I just don't think ruling one out simply because some people around here don't like a guy makes sense. He was important enough to the Eagles last season to have him out there playing hurt and mostly be a decoy the last several games.
November 15, 20232 yr Enough with the Watkins defending, it's pretty embarrassing at this point. I too had hoped that he would pan out here, but he's been a disappointment and will more than likely be gone after this season. Then we can finally add him to the list of Eagles "what ifs"
November 15, 20232 yr 1 hour ago, time2rock said: Could that just be attributed to (1) the change in OC (there does seem to be somewhat of a lack of creativity in scheme and general play design) and (2) playing a tougher schedule? Bigger issue is the OC and Hurts being limited as a runner. Those are big plays in the run game the Eagles are lacking.
November 15, 20232 yr 4 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said: Bigger issue is the OC and Hurts being limited as a runner. Those are big plays in the run game the Eagles are lacking. In most cases it isn't just one thing or another but a mix of several different contributing factors - I think that is the case here with the running game.
November 15, 20232 yr 3 hours ago, time2rock said: In most cases it isn't just one thing or another but a mix of several different contributing factors - I think that is the case here with the running game. Injuries, new coordinator, better overall defenses, all would be a bigger contributor than a WR that teams single cover because they know he’s scared of contact. The biggest joke of trying to claim that Quez is the reason why the Eagles offense hasn’t been a potent is the Eagles have had the majority of their 30 plus scoring games without Quez Watkins. In fact the ONLY 30 plus scoring game Quez was in he didn’t touch the ball, because he got hurt. Since Quez has been removed from the lineup, Jalen is now a surging MVP candidate. This dude is clearly far more a liability than he is an asset.
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