Turner has been a massive disappointment - he was supposed to be the difference maker and all he's done is suck huge donkey balls when it matters the most.  

On 10/7/2024 at 12:23 PM, paco said:

Schmoopie's sister got tickets to Game 5 so the two of them are going.

 

Friday is our 10 year wedding anniversary.

 

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So where are you taking her to dinner on Friday? 

7 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

After ive seen the way Soto interacted with Judge and Stanton at the all star game and the story they told about how much they like each other and compliment each other theree is no way in hell he leaves the Yankees 

6 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

So where are you taking her to dinner on Friday? 

I have no idea  

1 hour ago, mikemack8 said:

So where are you taking her to dinner on Friday? 

And..... I just got the "So, do you want to go to dinner tomorrow?".

 

"Up to you, where do you want to go?"

 

Nailed it.

2 hours ago, mikemack8 said:

Turner has been a massive disappointment - he was supposed to be the difference maker and all he's done is suck huge donkey balls when it matters the most.  

I’m not going to disagree that Turner wasn’t good in this series. He’s making $300 mil and needs to be better. He was bad in game 1 and 4. He needs to be more like game 2 to live up to the expectations the team had when they signed him.
 

(When you go look deeper into his numbers and analytics, when Turner is in the lead off spot, he doesn’t try to hit as many home runs and gets on base more. He’s played over 100 games more in the leadoff spot than the 2 hole and he has less home runs. He has more walks. And he has a higher average. And a higher on base percentage. when he’s in the lead off spot, his mentality is, I’m going to get on base so other guys can get me home. His speed can also cause chaos and pitchers might get fluster and give guys behind him a mistake pitch. I said this for a while, you can win with Kyle Schwarber in the leadoff spot but ideally with his power you want him in the middle of the lineup as Harper and Turner have good OBP numbers. I don’t think you’d see a dramatic drop in his HR production moving schwarber down to 2-4. He is who he is)  

That said the Phillies had guys who were actually worse.

people won’t admit it but schwarber was awful after his leadoff homer in game 1. He basically pulled a 2023 nlcs Castellanos. After that homer he went 1-15 with 6 Ks. I am over the schwarber needs to be leadoff to have success.  they would’ve been bad under Girardi if he hit leadoff or not. Imo they need his power in the middle of his lineup. I would move him down in the lineup. This lineup has taken you as far as you can go and it’s regressing.

bohm was absolutely miserable as a hitter and fielding. If it wasn’t for realmuto and marsh he might have been their worst player in this series. He also needs to grow the F up

realmuto is making 23 mil and just went 0-11 for the series. Arguably he was the worst hitter on the team vs. the Mets. He had numerous chances with RISP to help build momentum and killed it.

marsh continues to show why you don’t trade highly coveted prospects for guys you have to fix. It’s been 2.5 years he’s the same reasons the angels dealt him. You can’t play him every day cause he can’t hit left-handed pitching. He strikes out way too much. so when he has a slump like he did for like 2.5 months then in the playoffs he’s pretty much useless. It’s why I don’t want to have a platoon in the outfield. Having to rely on two guys to get 1 job done is a recipe to blowup in your face. it’s been 2 1/2 years of work with him and he still the same player. He’s just not that good and they’ll keep trying like with Walker to prove he’s something he’s not.

not going into the BP everyone was a disaster.

But i will go into nola. Christopher Sanchez and Ranger Suarez (who clearly is not healthy or arm is just not there at this point in the year) gave you better performances than Nola. He’s making 172 million and his last two starts when the Phillies needed him the most in the playoffs he’s not lived up to what the Phillies think he is. You can say well he was good through five innings yeah but he went out there for the 6th because he supposed to be "an ace” or make up our big 1-2. He’s not even been a no. 2. he didn’t even get through 6 innings the last two starts. He left the game with the bases loaded. he’s fortunate it only 2 runs scored considering it was no outs and bases loaded when Kerkering came in. When your ERA is 7.71, opponents are hitting 290 and OPS is 1.041 in your last two games which were massive starts for the Phillies that’s not good enough. Could’ve signed guys for lesser deals and got that production 

1 hour ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

After ive seen the way Soto interacted with Judge and Stanton at the all star game and the story they told about how much they like each other and compliment each other theree is no way in hell he leaves the Yankees 

I’m guessing he extends with the Yankees. But he’s also a boras client so i think he goes to wherever pays him the most. 

24 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m not going to disagree that Turner wasn’t good in this series. He’s making $300 mil and needs to be better. He was bad in game 1 and 4. He needs to be more like game 2 to live up to the expectations the team had when they signed him  

That said the Phillies had guys who were actually worse.

people won’t admit it but schwarber was awful after his leadoff homer in game 1. He basically pulled a 2023 nlcs Castellanos. After that homer he went 1-15 with 6 Ks. I am over the schwarber needs to be leadoff to have success.  they would’ve been bad under Girardi if he hit leadoff or not.

bohm was absolutely miserable as a hitter and fielding. If it wasn’t for realmuto and marsh he might have been their worst player in this series. He also needs to grow the F up

realmuto is making 23 mil and just went 0-11 for the series. Arguably he was the worst hitter on the team vs. the Mets. He had numerous chances with RISP to help build momentum and killed it.

marsh continues to show why you don’t trade highly coveted prospects for guys you have to fix 2.5. You can’t play him every day cause he can’t hit left-handed pitching. He strikes out way too much. so when he has a slump like he did for like 2.5 months then in the playoffs he’s pretty much useless. It’s why I don’t want to have a platoon in the outfield. Having to rely on two guys to get 1 job done is a recipe to blowup in your face. it’s been 2 1/2 years of work with him and he still the same player. He’s just not that good and they’ll keep trying like with Walker to prove he’s something he’s not.

not going into the BP everyone was a disaster.

But i will go into nola. Christopher Sanchez and Ranger Suarez (who clearly is not healthy or arm is just not there at this point in the year) gave you better performances than Nola. He’s making 172 million and his last two starts when the Phillies needed him the most in the playoffs he’s not lived up to what the Phillies think he is. You can say well he was good through five innings yeah but he went out there for the 6th because he supposed to be "an ace” or make up our big 1-2. He’s not even been a no. 2. he didn’t even get through 6 innings the last two starts. He left the game with the bases loaded. he’s fortunate it only 2 runs scored considering it was no outs and bases loaded when Kerkering came in. When your ERA is 7.71, opponents are hitting 290 and OPS is 1.041 in your last two games which were massive starts for the Phillies that’s not good enough. Could’ve signed guys for lesser deals and got that production 

But besides all that, how did you feel about the series?

 

Not to get hopes up, but I've heard Soto to the Phillies has been a "done deal" for two years. Not literal done deal, but Soto has always wanted to play for the Phillies, he loves Harper and Turner, and adores hitting coach Kevin Long, and likes the atmosphere at CBP. And Harper who has a lot of say wants Soto badly. And Middleton wants him. Let's see if it happens. The Phillies are willing to outbid biggest market teams as we saw with Yamamoto where they has the highest bid of anyone. They even outbid the Mets. They will go high for Soto.

10 minutes ago, paco said:

But besides all that, how did you feel about the series?

I’ve said this before they lost in the NLDS because of the arrogance that they showed at the end of the NLCS last year. They made it sound like the diamondbacks beating them was a fluke, and that they would just fix the problem. That the blueprint that the diamondbacks gave everybody was false. They didn’t do that. The fact of the matter rest of the playoff teams around you got better and some of the other teams in the National League got better. Where did the Phillies get better? They didn’t. Adding estevez was about the only improvement they made to the roster from last year.

They knew they had an offensive problem. You let over the course of two years Jean Segura and Hoskins go. We can say they have flaws and they’re not as good of players today as they were during that 2022 season. Hoskins and Jean Segura saw a lot of pitches and made pitcher work. You don’t have enough grinders in the lineup since both of them have left. You have a lot of guys that like to just swing everything and overly aggressive. You need guys like Hoskins, who are going to take a lot of pitches so you can get starters out of the game earlier. To me the Mets bullpen is not that good. It’s showed in the brewer series, that first game against the Braves in the DH and even when the Phillies showed their BP was beatable as they’d get guys on and did most of their damage in this series against their BP. The issue is the Phillies couldn’t get the Mets starters out earlier because they don’t take pitches. There were innings where Mets starters threw 5-7 pitches. You cannot do that in the playoffs. Because you did that in two innings, you allowed the starters to go an extra two innings and not get to the Mets bullpen. Not only that cause they allowed manaea to go 7+ in game 3 it allowed the major Mets BP arms to get two days rest  

I remember being incredulous all winter when they did absolutely nothing to improve the team. I didn't even think it needed to be mandated that they needed to add another superstar, but they literally didn't add a position player until a washed up Merrifield right before the season. It was insane. Not a single player added. And that arrogance carried into the season where they'd routinely just piss games away. Down 2 runs with 2 on base in the bottom of the 8th, but they let Stubbs hit instead of pinch hitting Realmuto because it's his off day. Being down 3 runs in the 6th inning with plenty of time to come back and they bring in Marte who couldn't get an out before giving up 3 runs every outing. Next thing you know they're down 6 and the game is truly over.

They treated the entire season like they were the 27 Yankees and they could do whatever they wanted and they were destined to go to the World Series. How many white flag games did they have this season, like 15? It was a joke. It honestly made me start to resent them during the season. They didn't accomplish nearly enough to develop this level of arrogance as an organization. They missed the playoffs for a decade and made the playoffs two straight years to that point. Who the hell do they think they are?

Hopefully they were humbled.

 

20 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

Just saying, nola didn’t pitch a gem. He went 5 and gave up 4. He’s making 172 mil and severino, manaea and Quintana all had better outings for the Mets 

More gear hit the floor. Going in the trash.  That's 3 shirts (threw 2 Eagles jerseys) in under a year.  Don't make me do it again. I've had that sweatshirt since '08 I think.

Awful series and I hate the NYM.  

Somebody better clean that garage door too, looks like hell. 

 

 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

Us flyers fans are good at math so let me solve this. Drastic changes + keeping core = no drastic changes

Let's look at the Phillies 1st round picks from 2016-2020. Moniak, Haseley, Bohm, Stott, and Abel.

Bust, bust, ok, pretty good, and bust. I really hope these more recent picks like Painter, Crawford, and Miller are a lot better. Not getting my hopes up though. 

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Just saying, nola didn’t pitch a gem. He went 5 and gave up 4. He’s making 172 mil and severino, manaea and Quintana all had better outings for the Mets 

To be fair, they had better outings because they were pitching to the Phillies. I can go out there and throw strikes 5 feet off the plate or dirt balls and those pathetic fools would swing at it. Let's see how they do facing a more disciplined lineup. Hey, if they continue to pitch well, then I'll tip my hat. 

31 minutes ago, vsptroops said:

To be fair, they had better outings because they were pitching to the Phillies. I can go out there and throw strikes 5 feet off the plate or dirt balls and those pathetic fools would swing at it. Let's see how they do facing a more disciplined lineup. Hey, if they continue to pitch well, then I'll tip my hat. 

Fair however nola has always tailed off at the end of the Phillies season. His era in September was 4.91. He wasn’t good against SD in the nlcs or ws. He wasn’t good game 6 against AZ. He wasn’t worth the $172 mil he’s being paid for game 3 vs. Mets. Frankly Ranger who’s probably still hurt, dead arm and out shape managed to gut it out and pitch as well as nola. Frankly we need painter to become what we envisioned cause wheeler is eventually gonna decline and nola isn’t the guy to take the mantle

Nola wasn’t nearly as bad as the hitters or BP. But he also wasn’t worth the $172 mil he was getting paid since London he had a 4.15 ERA. His game 6 vs. dbacks and game 3 vs. Mets they had slashed of .290/.356/.684/1.041 against him 

The problem is that the Phillies have a LOT of players whose best years are behind them and most expensive years ahead of them. Despite the disappointment over the last week, all of said players are good to outstanding baseball players.

But when nearly the entire portion of the team that is actually good is at that stage of their career and contract, there is almost nothing that can be done personnel wise to give the roster a shot in the arm and get them over the top.

I think this team is now a 26 year old franchise player away.  And that’s just not on the menu to add.

 

47 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The problem is that the Phillies have a LOT of players whose best years are behind them and most expensive years ahead of them. Despite the disappointment over the last week, all of said players are good to outstanding baseball players.

But when nearly the entire portion of the team that is actually good is at that stage of their career and contract, there is almost nothing that can be done personnel wise to give the roster a shot in the arm and get them over the top.

I think this team is now a 26 year old franchise player away.  And that’s just not on the menu to add.

Could if they got Soto who’s good friends with Harper, Turner, long and Kendricks. Problem is he’s likely not leaving the Yankees.

i tend to think they sign someone like teoscar Hernandez or Bellinger to play one outfield spot.  Or they go out and sign bregman then use Bohm as a trade chip to get an everyday OF. The bullpen who knows. Only locks to come back is strahm and Kerkering. 

8 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

Not to get hopes up, but I've heard Soto to the Phillies has been a "done deal" for two years. Not literal done deal, but Soto has always wanted to play for the Phillies, he loves Harper and Turner, and adores hitting coach Kevin Long, and likes the atmosphere at CBP. And Harper who has a lot of say wants Soto badly. And Middleton wants him. Let's see if it happens. The Phillies are willing to outbid biggest market teams as we saw with Yamamoto where they has the highest bid of anyone. They even outbid the Mets. They will go high for Soto.

Well if they have any sense Kevin Long won’t even be here next year. When the entire lineup has the same crap approach for multiple years in a row, you have to look at the hitting coach.