7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Sorry but it’s the GM job to work it out. But once ego gets in the way Rosie was going to show him. And he did. We suffered. He paid Bradberry even more to start last year and this year.

 CBS always have made more money then S lol

Look at all the WRs making more then Barkley 

your trying to compare apples to oranges when your using contracts from different positions 

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Lmao it isn’t different Schwartz was in charge of the defense in 2016 and on completely the same thing…. Gannon had complete control over the defense in 21-22 

Howie has done numerous times gotten players the coaches have wanted easiest example Bradham Schwartz guy from buffalo mind you Howie also signed Tulloch another Schwartz guy back then 

Ignoring S so bad….he was forced to address it with a trade. Great trade for Ceddy Duce….i guess. But only happened because it was so glaringly ignored. Bradberrry position terribly planned for. Think Maddox was the actual plan. So fantastic he made the move when he fell in our laps like that.

Just now, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Yea he set the price said no and let him walk and guess what he came back cheaper what a W for the GM and massive massive massive L for Johnson for falling flat on his face and having to come crying back to make less money 

You have to think about the possibility of certain players getting bad advice from the agents.   Which was probably what happened with CGJ

When 32 teams don't give you the money you want... or not even close, that's all the agent.   I mean you have 33 guys that set the market...ONE AGENT & 32 GMs.    If the player has to sign for way less...it's obvious which one of the 33 was the issue. 

Or in a case like Reddick where his agent fired him... sometimes it's the player who just doesn't get it

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Ignoring S so bad….he was forced to address it with a trade. Great trade for Ceddy Duce….i guess. But only happened because it was so glaringly ignored. Bradberrry position terribly planned for. Think Maddox was the actual plan. So fantastic he made the move when he fell in our laps like that.

Your not ignoring a position if you are making a trade for a player odds are Howie already has trade plans in place for guys if needed 

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

 CBS always have made more money then S lol

Look at all the WRs making more then Barkley 

your trying to compare apples to oranges when your using contracts from different positions 

I’m saying hard to justify having to pull completely away from negotiations with Ceedy because of the ego getting in the way so he could prove his point of being right about the market. Bradberry was a terrible resigning. Ceedy was a desperate need. Anyway you look at it better to over paid the guy was such a difference maker than lock in on the bad option costing more. But once he paid Bradberry…it limited options.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

You have to think about the possibility of certain players getting bad advice from the agents.   Which was probably what happened with CGJ

When 32 teams don't give you the money you want... or not even close, that's all the agent.   I mean you have 33 guys that set the market...ONE AGENT & 32 GMs.    If the player has to sign for way less...it's obvious which one of the 33 was the issue. 

Or in a case like Reddick where his agent fired him... sometimes it's the player who just doesn't get it

Got to slow it down I get this but ham just to hell bent on it all Howie fault so easiest thing is to just showcase the L the player took 

Image not taking the better deal, failing in the open market, then to come back and make less then your original offer from Howie 

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m saying hard to justify having to pull completely away from negotiations with Ceedy because of the ego getting in the way so he could prove his point of being right about the market. Bradberry was a terrible resigning. Ceedy was a desperate need. Anyway you look at it better to over paid the guy was such a difference maker than lock in on the bad option costing more. But once he paid Bradberry…it limited options.

It isn’t Howie offered the man the best deal Johnson turned the deal down wanted to test the market and took an L.

It was the complete right move by Howie not to overpay a player and still got him back cheaper 

And that isn’t even brining in the fact Johnson was hurt almost all of last season 

Just now, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Got to slow it down I get this but ham just to hell bent on it all Howie fault so easiest thing is to just showcase the L the player took 

Image not taking the better deal, failing in the open market, then to come back and make less then your original offer from Howie 

These agents have egos... they have to show future clients they can get them paid.   In a few cases those egos hurt the client ...CGJ was a perfect example back in 2023.

Can we image if Howie overpaid Johnson for him to be hurt most of the season lol our CB looked terrible…

it would be the same narrative oh we over paid Johnson and couldn’t make Bradbury work lmao 

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

You have to think about the possibility of certain players getting bad advice from the agents.   Which was probably what happened with CGJ

When 32 teams don't give you the money you want... or not even close, that's all the agent.   I mean you have 33 guys that set the market...ONE AGENT & 32 GMs.    If the player has to sign for way less...it's obvious which one of the 33 was the issue. 

Or in a case like Reddick where his agent fired him... sometimes it's the player who just doesn't get it

I’m not even denying any of this. But still the situation came all back around with CJ. In the end he had to settle last season. So the move was still there to be made…if Rosie wasn’t heck bent on the proving exactly the facts you’re pointing out. Great…Rosie was correct about that market. But that doesn’t help us.

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

It isn’t Howie offered the man the best deal Johnson turned the deal down wanted to test the market and took an L.

It was the complete right move by Howie not to overpay a player and still got him back cheaper 

And that isn’t even brining in the fact Johnson was hurt almost all of last season 

There is only so much GM can do ...if the agent has that ego or not skilled enough to read the market.   I mean 32 GMs ... if you can't get one to pay what you want.. not rocket science that you are in the wrong 

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

You have to think about the possibility of certain players getting bad advice from the agents.   Which was probably what happened with CGJ

When 32 teams don't give you the money you want... or not even close, that's all the agent.   I mean you have 33 guys that set the market...ONE AGENT & 32 GMs.    If the player has to sign for way less...it's obvious which one of the 33 was the issue. 

Or in a case like Reddick where his agent fired him... sometimes it's the player who just doesn't get it

Heck I thought CJs market value was higher my own self. But then it all played out. We lost out.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m not even denying any of this. But still the situation came all back around with CJ. In the end he had to settle last season. So the move was still there to be made…if Rosie wasn’t heck bent on the proving exactly the facts you’re pointing out. Great…Rosie was correct about that market. But that doesn’t help us.

Or hear me out Johnson and his agent didn’t want to come back with their tails between there legs saying yes we can’t get more we want the offer lol sounds way more likely 

8 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

You have to think about the possibility of certain players getting bad advice from the agents.   Which was probably what happened with CGJ

When 32 teams don't give you the money you want... or not even close, that's all the agent.   I mean you have 33 guys that set the market...ONE AGENT & 32 GMs.    If the player has to sign for way less...it's obvious which one of the 33 was the issue. 

Or in a case like Reddick where his agent fired him... sometimes it's the player who just doesn't get it

Obviously Ceedy is a very loud presence. Not the most ideal locker room team leader type. But was a good fit and need we were missing.

I guess I can say with regard to CGJ.... Jerry Jones messed up...  or John Lynch messed up.. or Howie plus 29 other guys..

Or...  it's 100% on the agent.   

To me very simple... one guy doesn't agree with the other 32...he is the issue.   End of story.

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Or hear me out Johnson and his agent didn’t want to come back with their tails between there legs saying yes we can’t get more we want the offer lol sounds way more likely 

All sources say Rosie shut off negotiations and made the move to Bradberry. So he couldn’t even just take the Detroit offer with us. Rosie was proving his point…he was right and aware of the market. He won. That way everybody could see it.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Heck I thought CJs market value was higher my own self. But then it all played out. We lost out.

I’d argue we won out and CJ lost on his terrible gamble.

had to lose money and come crying back to get a deal that was less from the first offer 

Just now, joemas6 said:

I guess I can say with regard to CGJ.... Jerry Jones messed up...  or John Lynch messed up.. or Howie plus 29 other guys..

Or...  it's 100% on the agent.   

To me very simple... one guy doesn't agree with the other 32...he is the issue.   End of story.

Fine then address the position a different solution, but it all began anyway because it was ignored. So we were the most glaringly obvious team that needed him. Had the locker room culture to handle him too.

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I’d argue we won out and CJ lost on his terrible gamble.

had to lose money and come crying back to get a deal that was less from the first offer 

He’s not all that of anything. But sure…Rosie fixed his mistake. Hopefully. Sad truth was Ceedy stunk that last SB. Nowhere to be seen. So can’t do that again.

With Reddick I didn't realize he was that much of a problem.  Maybe with the year he had in 2022 and being a Temple guy,  I didn't want to believe it.

But we see things come out ...how often do you see an agency firing a client.... without any scandal???   He must a serious whack job!  Dude cost himself 8 figures last year and who knows how much for his career.  If he even plays again.

3 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I’d argue we won out and CJ lost on his terrible gamble.

had to lose money and come crying back to get a deal that was less from the first offer 

Worked out great for us!  

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

He’s not all that of anything. But sure…Rosie fixed his mistake. Hopefully. Sad truth was Ceedy stunk that last SB. Nowhere to be seen. So can’t do that again.

Yea he should have definitely signed CJ to Jessie Bates deal Johnson wanted 16m per year 😂.

Can you image us signing Johnson to 16m a year for him to be hurt all of last season man the amount you would be ripping Howie for the terrible signing 

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

There is only so much GM can do ...if the agent has that ego or not skilled enough to read the market.   I mean 32 GMs ... if you can't get one to pay what you want.. not rocket science that you are in the wrong 

Not a bad point at all. But let it play out. Then he could have gotten it done. Gotta get done what the team needs done some how. Any how. But locked out the return after he tested the market thoroughly. Rosie wasn’t there to take advantage last season. Signed and paid Bradberry. 

3 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I’d argue we won out and CJ lost on his terrible gamble.

had to lose money and come crying back to get a deal that was less from the first offer 

Plus let's be honest... we still don't know how Sydney Brown will turn out... he may easily end up better than either starter that's on the roster.

Just now, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Yea he should have definitely signed CJ to Jessie Bates deal Johnson wanted 16m per year 😂.

Can you image us signing Johnson to 16m a year for him to be hurt all of last season man the amount you would be ripping Howie for the terrible signing 

Sure he wanted and I even thought would cost more. But let it play out then. Once the market showed it wasn’t there…then work out the deal…there to be made instead of taking that nothing from Detroit.