I could be wrong but didn’t Howie offer Johnson some like 3 year like 40-45m deal when he rejected us wanting the 4 year 64m deal Jessie Bates got 

Just now, joemas6 said:

Plus let's be honest... we still don't know how Sydney Brown will turn out... he may easily end up better than either starter that's on the roster.

He works for me. Dedicated hard worker. Got the physical tools.

Just now, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I could be wrong but didn’t Howie offer Johnson some like 3 year like 40-45m deal when he rejected us wanting the 4 year 64m deal Jessie Bates got 

Nah…it was way lower. I was shocked how low it was in fact. But clearly higher than his market value was.

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Yea he should have definitely signed CJ to Jessie Bates deal Johnson wanted 16m per year 😂.

Can you image us signing Johnson to 16m a year for him to be hurt all of last season man the amount you would be ripping Howie for the terrible signing 

Lol... you also have to factor in that GMs can't just sit there and wait.   If one agent/ player is so stubborn in their stance, they have to move on.  Other players you have to sign and allocate money before they go elsewhere. 

It wasn’t 16…plus with Rosie contract….even 10 per…isn’t actually 10 per. Paper BS more than cap fact.

Just now, joemas6 said:

Lol... you also have to factor in that GMs can't just sit there and wait.   If one agent/ player is so stubborn in their stance, they have to move on.  Other players you have to sign and allocate money before they go elsewhere. 

Totally the case. But he threw more at Bradberry was the decision to start last year and this year.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Sure he wanted and I even thought would cost more. But let it play out then. Once the market showed it wasn’t there…then work out the deal…there to be made instead of taking that nothing from Detroit.

You can’t just sit and wait in free agency Howie could have sat pat not made moves and lost out of Bradbury, and Johnson.

We clearly targeted Johnson first and gave him the best deal he said no and Howie had to pivot.

If we are using hindsight that oh well Bradberry sucked then you also have to look at Johnson being injured most of last year as well so would paying him more been worth it last year? 
 

Clearly the most favorable outcome happened this year we got Johnson cheaper and he stayed healthy this year 

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I could be wrong but didn’t Howie offer Johnson some like 3 year like 40-45m deal when he rejected us wanting the 4 year 64m deal Jessie Bates got 

I feel like CGJ got about half what Howie offered per year...but good for him..only one year deal.

Just now, joemas6 said:

Lol... you also have to factor in that GMs can't just sit there and wait.   If one agent/ player is so stubborn in their stance, they have to move on.  Other players you have to sign and allocate money before they go elsewhere. 

So being Rosie was correct about the market.,,he lets it play out then we all win…along with Rosie. But that wouldn’t have proven just how right Rosie was than letting CJ settle for the Detroit deal.

Feed the ego and be right for all to witness. So we could field the 31st pass D. Not so brilliant.

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I feel like CGJ got about half what Howie offered per year...but good for him..only one year deal.

Yep Rosie showed him. Feels similar to Reddick. Rosie had total control and showed him also. Told his old study Douglas in New York how to handle it too. Of course cost him his GM job…well probably not that part did it.

Just now, Bleedinggreen93 said:

You can’t just sit and wait in free agency Howie could have sat pat not made moves and lost out of Bradbury, and Johnson.

We clearly targeted Johnson first and gave him the best deal he said no and Howie had to pivot.

If we are using hindsight that oh well Bradberry sucked then you also have to look at Johnson being injured most of last year as well so would paying him more been worth it last year? 
 

Clearly the most favorable outcome happened this year we got Johnson cheaper and he stayed healthy this year 

Right... like if a player at a certain position is being stubborn...  you can't just wait, you gotta sign other players at other positions. 

What if Baun wants $25 mil per... do we hold off on signing Becton until Baun realizes it's way too much?  Becton isn't going to wait around. 

And in that example... what if Becton doesn't play well.  Is it fair to say Howie goofed by not waiting months for Baun to come down a little?

Bradberry played pretty well in 2022... he tanked worse than Reddick last year. It happens. Let's hope we don't see that if we give Baun or Becton good money.

4 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

You can’t just sit and wait in free agency Howie could have sat pat not made moves and lost out of Bradbury, and Johnson.

We clearly targeted Johnson first and gave him the best deal he said no and Howie had to pivot.

If we are using hindsight that oh well Bradberry sucked then you also have to look at Johnson being injured most of last year as well so would paying him more been worth it last year? 
 

Clearly the most favorable outcome happened this year we got Johnson cheaper and he stayed healthy this year 

Most favorable outcome…didn’t even dress our starting CB instead Bradberry?

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Feed the ego and be right for all to witness. So we could field the 31st pass D. Not so brilliant.

And Johnson would have been hurt and Bradberry would have still sucked and we still would have fielded the 31st pass D lol nothing changes in 2023 

CJ played in a total of 3 games last year lol 

Just now, joemas6 said:

Right... like if a player at a certain position is being stubborn...  you can't just wait, you gotta sign other players at other positions. 

What if Baun wants $25 mil per... do we hold off on signing Becton until Baun realizes it's way too much?  Becton isn't going to wait around. 

And in that example... what if Becton doesn't play well.  Is it fair to say Howie goofed by not waiting months for Baun to come down a little?

Bradberry played pretty well in 2022... he tanked worse than Reddick last year. It happens. Let's hope we don't see that if we give Baun or Becton good money.

Yep got that Master Plan and go down the line. Win some and lose some. But can’t instead make a bad decision. Where you pay a guy to not dress more…while badly missing the S you didn’t want to sign afterwards because of the bad signing.

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

And Johnson would have been hurt and Bradberry would have still sucked and we still would have fielded the 31st pass D lol nothing changes in 2023 

CJ played in a total of 3 games last year lol 

What was the situation why we got Ceedy in the first place?

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

And Johnson would have been hurt and Bradberry would have still sucked and we still would have fielded the 31st pass D lol nothing changes in 2023 

CJ played in a total of 3 games last year lol 

Imagine being John Lynch...paid all that money for Hargrave and Aiyuk... now he looks like an idiot with the Hargrave contract...and Aiyuk getting injured didn't return on the investment.  Some things you can all put on the GM...but we all knew Hargrave was a bad contract. 

If he doesn’t sign Bradberry then he could easily pounce on Ceedy after he tested the market. If ego was no factor.

Just now, joemas6 said:

Imagine being John Lynch...paid all that money for Hargrave and Aiyuk... now he looks like an idiot with the Hargrave contract...and Aiyuk getting injured didn't return on the investment.  Some things you can all put on the GM...but we all knew Hargrave was a bad contract. 

Hargrave got them to the SB. Crucial. Aiuyick was an obviously bad move. 

That Niners team had to go all in. So Hargrave wasn’t a bad move. Should have won the Sb and paid off

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

If he doesn’t sign Bradberry then he could easily pounce on Ceedy after he tested the market. If ego was no factor.

And if he doesn’t sign Bradberry he could have also lost both guys since he had no clue how Johnson market would have played out it isn’t hard 

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

And if he doesn’t sign Bradberry he could have also lost both guys since he had no clue how Johnson market would have played out it isn’t hard 

Wasn’t the only option. Gotta figured it out. He messed up. We can all kind of understand the Bradberry situation. But it was very clearly a terrible move in hindsight. That this champion squad is dealing with.

18 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Plus let's be honest... we still don't know how Sydney Brown will turn out... he may easily end up better than either starter that's on the roster.

In a league where three S can be on the field together fairly regularly 

Just now, Bleedinggreen93 said:

And if he doesn’t sign Bradberry he could have also lost both guys since he had no clue how Johnson market would have played out it isn’t hard 

It is what it is...the football roster is so large...22 starting spots..

 25 if you count P, K and LS... you have 31 other teams competing in free agency... and you have 7 rounds of the draft.    You need some luck involved with unexpected players stepping up and under the radar signings that pan out. 

Just not that easy to get everything done...it's not madden, real life there are 31 other teams looking to do the same thing, you aren't always going to get your 1st choice... or even top 10 choice.  Even if you got your 11th choice...still have 21 other teams with the same positions to fill on a roster.

Just impossible to go each year without holes on your roster.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Wasn’t the only option. Gotta figured it out. He messed up. We can all kind of understand the Bradberry situation. But it was very clearly a terrible move in hindsight. That this champion squad is dealing with.

Who were the other options in 2023 market? It was an extremely weak FA group.

image wanting to resign your own guy that just help you have top D unit in 2022 and were playing in the SB over the other options in 2023.