50 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I wasn't aware running backwards for 14 yards like a bonehead and taking the sack anyway was an attribute I wanted. My error. I guess that is "lashing out" LOL

One play. Stupid to choose that as a hill to die on.

Just now, mattwill said:

One play. Stupid to choose that as a hill to die on.

LOL but when you point out a bonehead play it becomes someone elses fault per Ham, Hurts is perfect. Not dying on any hill when you point out bad plays or errors in judgement

42 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK what the mods will be(if any). The fact Hurts could rely on the 4th and 1 is a luxury most QB's don't get to have. They need to make 10 yards in 3 plays not 4. So IDK what the rules could be, now what justifies a "push". GOing to be a very gray area and the refs are already having issues as it is

The Eagles will transform gray into black and white. It is easy to do. With no one behind Hurts there will be very simple evidence that Hurts has not been pushed.

Just now, mattwill said:

The Eagles will transform gray into black and white. It is easy to do. With no one behind Hurts there will be very simple evidence that Hurts has not been pushed.

Then the tush push is no more and they have to do regular football plays

5 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

We cut his passing down from 40 to like 22. I didn't swing the pendulum, Siri did. The defense took that game over. All Hurts had to do was not have any turnovers. DeJeans pick 6 really took the air out of their sails

No, Siri didn’t. Lane Johnson and the O-Line, and Stoutland, and Siri, and Hurts assessed the risk profile of Moore’s Offensive scheme and made adjustments to reduce the structural risk. The result was an offense that was very different than anything Moore had ever deployed.

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LOL but when you point out a bonehead play it becomes someone elses fault per Ham, Hurts is perfect. Not dying on any hill when you point out bad plays or errors in judgement

This isn’t about Ham. He isn’t the team. He isn’t even on the team.

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Then the tush push is no more and they have to do regular football plays

And the QB Sneak is a regular football play.

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

No, Siri didn’t. Lane Johnson and the O-Line, and Stoutland, and Siri, and Hurts assessed the risk profile of Moore’s Offensive scheme and made adjustments to reduce the structural risk. The result was an offense that was very different than anything Moore had ever deployed.

Right as I said Hurts could not handle the Moore offense which we saw the first 4 weeks last year. Too many picks and hero ball

2 minutes ago, mattwill said:

And the QB Sneak is a regular football play.

So Hurts has to do that alone with no push

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Right as I said Hurts could not handle the Moore offense which we saw the first 4 weeks last year. Too many picks and hero ball

I respectfully disagree. The Moore Offense assumed an unacceptable level of risk that any QB would have problems shouldering. Just ask Dak.

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Right as I said Hurts could not handle the Moore offense which we saw the first 4 weeks last year. Too many picks and hero ball

At that point Hurts became a game manager. Worked out very well for all

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

I respectfully disagree. The Moore Offense assumed an unacceptable level of risk that any QB would have problems shouldering. Just ask Dak.

Well we disagree then. The risk was letting Hurts throw, many were not his fault, still the turnovers were killer we were 2-2 at that point. Hurts is fine with short range passes, the Moore offense was more "west coast" and Hurts doesn't have a cannon arm

Week 1 in Brazil we saw a QB shootout. That's not Hurts strong point

But I'm a hater and know nothing LOL

23 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Right as I said Hurts could not handle the Moore offense which we saw the first 4 weeks last year. Too many picks and hero ball

That is a very pessimistic and individual assessment. Football is a team sport.

8 minutes ago, mattwill said:

TEhat is a very pessimistic and individual assessment. Football is a team sport.

Sure but which position gets paid the most?

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Right as I said Hurts could not handle the Moore offense which we saw the first 4 weeks last year. Too many picks and hero ball

Was Hurts the cause or the consequence?

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So Hurts has to do that alone with no push

No one does anything alone in football. It is a team game. However, Jin response to your meaning, the simple answer is yes. Saquon and his powerful thighs will flank Hurts on one side, and A.J.and his powerful thighs will flank Hurts on the other side. When Jurgens snaps the ball, the O-Line will surge forward just as they do in the Push. Saquon, Hurts, and A.J. Will surge forward behind the IOL in front of them. Substantially more power than the D. Hurts will look for a seam to open thanks to Saquon and/or A.J. And into the Endzone he will go. Superior power will out.

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

At that point Hurts became a game manager. Worked out very well for all

Actually he became a risk manager … a risk mitigator.

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Well we disagree then. The risk was letting Hurts throw, many were not his fault, still the turnovers were killer we were 2-2 at that point. Hurts is fine with short range passes, the Moore offense was more "west coast" and Hurts doesn't have a cannon arm

You are right we disagree. Hurts throwing in risky situations was a symptom of the underlying cause … the willingness on Moore’s part to put the team into 3rd and long situations where the opposing Defense knew what was predictably coming. After the Bye the frequency of 3rd and long plummeted, the plays became much less predictable and harder to defend.

On the other side of the ball, Fangio’s Defense did the same thing in reverse. Using Davis as the immovable object in the middle of the line, the Defense throttled any attempts by the opposing RBs to establish a running game. As a result the frequency of 3rd and long for the opponents increased substantially.

With that said, there was one vulnerability that the Eagles D succumbed to far too often … QB scrambles on broken pass plays. That was especially true with Daniels.

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Week 1 in Brazil we saw a QB shootout. That's not Hurts strong point

Weeks one through four were anomalies. The new Coordinators and new players had very little cohesion or chemistry. Moore tried to fit a square peg into a round hole with his poorly conceived Offensive scheme and Fangio wasn’t using DeJean or the light box. After the Bye all that changed.

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Sure but which position gets paid the most?

Why is that relevant?

With that asked, here is another question for you … what is the NFL’s product?

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So Hurts has to do that alone with no push

Watch this video. It has subtitles you can turn on.

3 hours ago, mattwill said:

Why is that relevant?

With that asked, here is another question for you … what is the NFL’s product?

Because that is your general on the field. It used to be entertainment. It has added numerous other things some being corporate greed and political forums. It's morphed alot since the Heidi bowl

3 hours ago, mattwill said:

Watch this video. It has subtitles you can turn on.

Right, the first part was as I said the GRAY area. The second is as you said, we are still in decent shape regardless