28 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Who said I was not rooting for him other than YOU putting words in my mouth? Over the years Joe and I saw things that needed lots of work. As you said he put the work in and he looks much better. he was never a GOD and he never will be. The fact you were blind has no bearing on how I see things

See even me seeing in him all the traits for his success from the beginning…I still can point out his flaws and areas to grow. Just reality. Nothing much just all rainbow and butterflies…or all terrible.

23 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

AH so you agree that over the years he needed improving, but when Joe or I pointed them out we were "haters" LOL. We both wanted Hurts to be better because it makes the TEAM better

I went in detail about areas Hurts needed to improve.

24 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

AH so you agree that over the years he needed improving, but when Joe or I pointed them out we were "haters" LOL. We both wanted Hurts to be better because it makes the TEAM better

You both have so clearly just been haters

25 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

AH so you agree that over the years he needed improving, but when Joe or I pointed them out we were "haters" LOL. We both wanted Hurts to be better because it makes the TEAM better

You both attacked Hurts and bashed him. When really he was just a young QB that needed to be coached. Our HC skipping so much with our best franchise QB ever is what neither of you want to admit has been the issue.

26 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

AH so you agree that over the years he needed improving, but when Joe or I pointed them out we were "haters" LOL. We both wanted Hurts to be better because it makes the TEAM better

He became a pro very young. Still is young really.

I pointed out the obvious reasons even for areas Hurts needed development further.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

I pointed out the obvious reasons even for areas Hurts needed development further.

He’s had a different O every season of college…then pros

29 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

AH so you agree that over the years he needed improving, but when Joe or I pointed them out we were "haters" LOL. We both wanted Hurts to be better because it makes the TEAM better

Problem was he wasn’t ackowledged as the clear franchise QB right away. So Lurie and Rosie allowed Siri to shortcut.

Siri one step approach. He had Kelce to get by….so he didn’t care to spend much time coaching those things to Hurts.

Yet you both just lash out at Hurts the entire time. Who wouldn’t expect him to have exactly the shortcomings of being ultimate pro QB he came with?

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Are you still that clueless? Hurts could be top ten? He’s best franchise QB ever. On a HOF track

Ham, who is the best/ prototypical QB ever?

Many people say it is Tom Brady. I am not one of those people. He is clearly the winningest QB ever, but he falls considerably short of the prototypical ideal.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You two are still bashing the leader of our team. Pathetic!

Who are the "you two” you are referring to?

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I meant the security of going 9 yards in 3 downs knowing the tush push will get us home

I understood that … and my belief is that he will still have that security even if the modified pushing any ball carrier proposal is approved.

18 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yet you both just lash out at Hurts the entire time. Who wouldn’t expect him to have exactly the shortcomings of being ultimate pro QB he came with?

I wasn't aware running backwards for 14 yards like a bonehead and taking the sack anyway was an attribute I wanted. My error. I guess that is "lashing out" LOL

21 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yet you both just lash out at Hurts the entire time. Who wouldn’t expect him to have exactly the shortcomings of being ultimate pro QB he came with?

The drop for a free 6 in the SB was another one I apparently "lashed out" about. Just a hater HAHAHAHA

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

What else does the guy need to do for you? Carried the team to the playoffs every single year:

Ham, Hurts is strong but he can not carry over 5,000 pounds (21 times 250).

Football is a team sport, and as The Chiefs learned you live and die as a team.

Hurts won the SB MVP, and given the NFL’s rules if I had a vote I’d have voted for him. But the rules have a bias that prevented voters from voting for the true MVP of the game … the Defensive Front Four, which functioned brilliantly and effectively as a unit.

So I judge Hurts in that context … and bottom-line he is a winner.

8 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I understood that … and my belief is that he will still have that security even if the modified pushing any ball carrier proposal is approved.

IDK what the mods will be(if any). The fact Hurts could rely on the 4th and 1 is a luxury most QB's don't get to have. They need to make 10 yards in 3 plays not 4. So IDK what the rules could be, now what justifies a "push". GOing to be a very gray area and the refs are already having issues as it is

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

He finally improved last year after we took the game out of his hands and went to 20-22 passes vs the 40 before the bye. He functions very well as a game manager. He is no Peyton Manning or Joe Young. He also got to play with the best supporting cast in the league. The fact he was not "on the run much" made controlling the game effortless. Keys to any game- impose your will, win your battles especially in the trenches. Ball control and no turnovers. Hurts(and the other 21 guys) did all of those things well last year

Just as Ham swings the pendulum too far in the Hurts can do no wrong direction, I believe you swing it too far in the other direction.

"We” (the coaches) didn’t take the game out of his hands. It never was in his hands to start with. What happened over the Bye was a reassessment of the entire risk profile of the Offensive scheme, which up to that point was very close to the historical Kellen Moore style of offense. The O-Line went to Stoutland, and then together they went to Moore and Siri and argued that their strengths were not being utilized effectively AND that was resulting in too many 3rd and long situations that included considerably greater risk than the alternative, which was adopted and executed.

The result was a point differential over 13 games of 170. With success like that, why tamper with the winning formula. Hurts was smart enough to go with that flow.

Fast forward to the Super Bowl and Spags and Andy decided it was best to dare Hurts to beat them. So he stepped forward and humiliated them.

That brings me to ranking the current NFl QBs. Mahomes is ahead of Hurts, but his crown is shaky given the Super Bowl results. Lamar is ahead of Hurts, but not by much. Josh Allen is ahead of Hurts. After that, what current QB is ahead of Hurts? You tell me.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I totally disagree. He’s our clear leader. Best franchise QB ever

But what QBs has our franchise had that are highly revered? Is he the tallest midget in the room?

Bottom-line best franchise QB ever matters in SF, Miami, NE, NO, Denver, etc. but not so much in Philadelphia.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I can’t even understand how you can’t love to root for Hurts. Just dedicated and works hard. Completely focused on the right things.

I root for the team.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He’s improved every single year. Anything you doubted him on …he proved you wrong.

That may be true, but we’re the doubts/concerns legitimate. It is a both/and situation. The concerns were legitimate AND he has worked on them and for the most part addressed them.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

See even me seeing in him all the traits for his success from the beginning…I still can point out his flaws and areas to grow. Just reality. Nothing much just all rainbow and butterflies…or all terrible.

Glass half full versus glass half empty. In both cases the glass is filled to 50% capacity.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You both have so clearly just been haters

You have SEEN them as haters. You are biased and polarized and incredibly loyal.

13 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Just as Ham swings the pendulum too far in the Hurts can do no wrong direction, I believe you swing it too far in the other direction.

"We” (the coaches) didn’t take the game out of his hands. It never was in his hands to start with. What happened over the Bye was a reassessment of the entire risk profile of the Offensive scheme, which up to that point was very close to the historical Kellen Moore style of offense. The O-Line went to Stoutland, and then together they went to Moore and Siri and argued that their strengths were not being utilized effectively AND that was resulting in too many 3rd and long situations that included considerably greater risk than the alternative, which was adopted and executed.

The result was a point differential over 13 games of 170. With success like that, why tamper with the winning formula. Hurts was smart enough to go with that flow.

Fast forward to the Super Bowl and Spags and Andy decided it was best to dare Hurts to beat them. So he stepped forward and humiliated them.

That brings me to ranking the current NFl QBs. Mahomes is ahead of Hurts, but his crown is shaky given the Super Bowl results. Lamar is ahead of Hurts, but not by much. Josh Allen is ahead of Hurts. After that, what current QB is ahead of Hurts? You tell me.

We cut his passing down from 40 to like 22. I didn't swing the pendulum, Siri did. The defense took that game over. All Hurts had to do was not have any turnovers. DeJeans pick 6 really took the air out of their sails

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yet you both just lash out at Hurts the entire time. Who wouldn’t expect him to have exactly the shortcomings of being ultimate pro QB he came with?

What you see as a lash others see as a wet noodle.