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Ongoing Eagles New Discussion volume 2

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Real testament to our players. They have been overcoming this…still so hard to stop them. Exactly why you can point towards win’s and some stats and credit coaching incorrectly. But hey…AJ still made that play even though it was a bad playcall and the D knew exactly what play we were running in a stale predictable O. Some how we get fans should clearly be more knowledgeable than just barely fans…credit coach there.

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3 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Not what he said.

Top 5…which I completely shut down anyway. Just can’t consider them anywhere near that area.

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But isn’t it worthy of considering if Siri didn’t decide to go ultra safe? Doesn’t anybody but me believe if Siri pushed them towards producing at record levels instead…that would have actually been a team that wasn’t going to lose also?

Worthy? How do you make the title Super Bowl champions better? The ladder has no higher rungs. If you try and take another step from the highest rung your foot is resting on thin air.

7 minutes ago, mattwill said:

"I think a lot of the criticism stems from Sirianni’s awkward first press conference. People made their minds up about him right then and there and haven’t changed them since. That’s the unfortunate part of sports media. People don’t want to admit they were wrong. Admitting you’re wrong is harder than just doubling down. So, people will keep saying that Sirianni is overrated and the Eagles’ success is down to everyone else.

Jeffrey Lurie said it best in his statement: the Eagles want to build a championship culture, and Sirianni embodies that vision. He empowers the people around him to do their jobs, and that’s exactly what a great leader does.

Nick Sirianni has proven himself. He fits this team. He fits this organization. He has built something that works. Will he be here for a decade? I highly doubt it. But based on what he’s done so far, there’s no question in my mind that keeping Sirianni is the right call.”

Think Lurie nailed the Genuine style of coaching part about Siri…goes a long ways with players.

4 minutes ago, mattwill said:

When you accomplished the summit, the very top, what is there left to wonder or ponder? The simple answer is nothing. #1 is as high as you can go. Time to lie back and bask in the reflected glory.

See exactly…it’s beyond your comprehension. You can’t even consider any other way also could have worked also. In fact I’m challenging to explaiin why you are so dead set our O wasn’t talented enough to have totally just unleashed and ride. Once Siri stopped holding them back in NFC Championship and SB did the prove his decision correct of that O needed to be held back? Or did they just prove capable all along of that they could have been dominating opponents putting up 50?

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I know it’s real difficult for some to fathom anything different could have been just as good or better decision than what Siri chose that got the job done and worked. But both could be true and have worked. Just because holding back playing not to lose worked….doesn’t prove anything against unleashing striving for greatness and their best would have failed or been worse.

Could have been just as good, but you can’t be any better than SB Champions. That is the top rung on the ladder.

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Greatest Show on Turf Vermeil unleashed! Maybe more talented. Trying to think of any other instance ever in football where the coach chose to hold such elite players back. Had that Ravens SB winning team. Where greatest D….limited O…so coached let that D win..,O side just not make mistakes and hurt them. Similar coaching decisions and team approach. Difference being that Ravens O didn’t have talent..stunk pretty much. So that approach was needed.

Mike Martz, not Vermeil

"The offense was designed by attack-oriented offensive coordinator (during the 1999 season) and head coach (during the 2000 and 2001 seasons) Mike Martz who mixed an aerial attack and a run offense in an Air Coryell-style offense.”

8 minutes ago, mattwill said:

When you accomplished the summit, the very top, what is there left to wonder or ponder? The simple answer is nothing. #1 is as high as you can go. Time to lie back and bask in the reflected glory.

Impossible for you to ever consider any other way could also have worked

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

This is about as ludicrous and terrible a statement as your original opinion was. Why is it solely on me to counter your statement any further than I already have? Not every example applies backing me up…a few don’t apply for either of us. Yet if you did research..had any reply…or could make a case to defend and backup your incredibly bad opinion? That has been well past reasonable time to have been so crucially needed for you to have supplied. I just went on and on with example after example making your statement and opinion look completely ignorant. Not like kind of incorrect. It’s been flat out straight embarrassing and humiliating you. You state I at times don’t give ample chances for a reply. So I just kept pausing…then provide another list of examples breaking down just how ridiculous your statement proved to be.

Obfuscation

Kind of a theme of Siri coaching style. Not coaching what to do right. Not coaching greatness. 2023…main coaching point with Hurts focus on don’t get hurt…don’t take hits. 2024 coaching don’t make mistakes. Don’t throw interceptions.

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Nothing else required of me completing your annihilation in that …can’t call it a debate…because you never could even attempt any response to back up how you ever possibly believed that was hardly ever the case…much less something usual and ordinary.

Never was a debate. Simply a discussion needing research to proceed. If you saw it as a debate, then that is all of your doing.

I don’t really believe in coaching don’t throw interceptions. Protect the ball yes. But coach reading the D and expectations answering where to go with the throw instead.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

How did you squeeze this post in between Ham's 30? 🤣

Used a shoe horn.

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

Never was a debate. Simply a discussion needing research to proceed. If you saw it as a debate, then that is all of your doing.

You’re right there …never was a debate. You made a terrible statement I pointed out how exactly opposite the truth is. You never countered at all. You’d have needed to supplied some form of counter argument proving your statement in anyway actually was a situation that was occurring in the NFL. If you had any defense or any real reasoning to have based your statement on…given any …then it could have been the start of a debate.

19 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Top 5…which I completely shut down anyway. Just can’t consider them anywhere near that area.

Glad you corrected your error.

55 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

CEO HC was exactly the term that began over the whole situation. This was GM, Lurie and Siri saying to the media. Don’t know man…it happened…exactly how things went down. Dig it up…since you missed that pretty big moment announcing Siri was staying on for 2024. This is a you problem. You missed it. You don’t understand it. You struggling to search Google and presser archived.

Listen and learn

6 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Obfuscation

See if you had any pride or shame you’d not so easily sit back being so embarrassing humiliated. The opinion originally left you in that situation you couldn’t stop afterwards. But your character as a man…could have stepped up to admit and own you were wrong and messed up. But you proved incapable. You just kept pushing forward always and forever…which goes to show no matter the discussion attempted with you…nothing ever can be said where it effects anything with you. Worst opinion …you never tried to even support or defend…time after time just faced with example after example proving not just you were incorrect…but the exact opposite is in fact what actually occurs.

5 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Glad you corrected your error.

That’s what I do. I was meaning -A- top…which I had to just shoot down that thinking. Capable of …could have been…but way things were handled killed any chances of such elite talent producing and challenging towards those levels.

But did bring up a question of…talent wise…how did they compare? In that department they really compare …at least within debatable of about any team ever.

I think it’s fair to consider did Siri need to make that decision about our O?

9 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

See if you had any pride or shame you’d not so easily sit back being so embarrassing humiliated. The opinion originally left you in that situation you couldn’t stop afterwards. But your character as a man…could have stepped up to admit and own you were wrong and messed up. But you proved incapable. You just kept pushing forward always and forever…which goes to show no matter the discussion attempted with you…nothing ever can be said where it effects anything with you. Worst opinion …you never tried to even support or defend…time after time just faced with example after example proving not just you were incorrect…but the exact opposite is in fact what actually occurs.

Embarrassment and humiliation are imaginary friends of yours.

Why would just deciding to go for it unleashing our elite talented O have been bad?

2 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Embarrassment and humiliation are imaginary friends of yours.

Trying to imagine if I actually pressed Submit if I had such a bad thought…you educated me on my incorrect understanding of the definition with :obsession. I just owned my mistake and even thanked you for educating me. Not really that difficult.

See I’m opinionated…if I’m knowledgeable enough to form one. But open minded listening to any and everything even differing thoughts. Not just switching up my thinking easily…but quality reasons and proof being provided …can change or possibly adapt my thinking.

I feel we learn things all the time. So even thoughts you’ve believed for several years can be changed if you uncover some new additional information. My first thoughts probably gravitate towards history. Always seems to be key details you discover effecting your conclusions and opinions. But really just only hurting yourself to close off listening or considering any and everything.

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