22 minutes ago, Crazy Legs said:

Howie has a blessing and a curse - BOTH!

He is blessed with the best roster in the NFL currently and for the next several years...GREAT!

He is has to compete with 31 other professional organizations for a relatively small pool of true talent each draft, usually amounting to about 10 to 15 players while picking later each round no less. Moreover, he has a roster of players that have earned and deserve to be paid hansomely for what they add under the constraints of a limited cap budget.

Therefore, he needs to exert a great deal of creativity to keep the ship afloat over the course of his leadership. While doing so, invariably he will make some decisions that will not be popular with the fanbase from time to time. Also, despite the scrutiny that players are submtted to, honest mistakes of judgement will occasionally occur (Huff).

Given all that goes into being a successfull NFL franchise, the consensus is we have an exceptional organization...be proud.

P.S. I hope Jerruh remains in charge for another 30 years.

Jerruh seems to just be looking to make money and cash in on his team and stadium situation at this point.

22 minutes ago, Crazy Legs said:

Howie has a blessing and a curse - BOTH!

He is blessed with the best roster in the NFL currently and for the next several years...GREAT!

He is has to compete with 31 other professional organizations for a relatively small pool of true talent each draft, usually amounting to about 10 to 15 players while picking later each round no less. Moreover, he has a roster of players that have earned and deserve to be paid hansomely for what they add under the constraints of a limited cap budget.

Therefore, he needs to exert a great deal of creativity to keep the ship afloat over the course of his leadership. While doing so, invariably he will make some decisions that will not be popular with the fanbase from time to time. Also, despite the scrutiny that players are submtted to, honest mistakes of judgement will occasionally occur (Huff).

Given all that goes into being a successfull NFL franchise, the consensus is we have an exceptional organization...be proud.

P.S. I hope Jerruh remains in charge for another 30 years.

All good points, and I would add one more curse. Specifically, he has gotten such a clear reputation as a shrewd trader, and many teams shy away from even answering his calls.

9 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That’s between YouTube and or site…not my control…they pair together

Yes you can control it. Use the sizing feature at the bottom right corner of the video before posting it.

7 minutes ago, mattwill said:

He is (at most) worth a 2026 2nd Round pick, and that 2027 2nd is worth a 2027 1st Round pick. As you have pointed out, a 2027 1st isn’t the same value as a 2026 1st.

My thinking hasn’t changed drastically on McKee. Still view Moore and the Saints as that team needing to reach and overpay for him. Always would have been the cheapest quickest best option future at QB.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

My thinking hasn’t changed drastically on McKee. Still view Moore and the Saints as that team needing to reach and overpay for him. Always would have been the cheapest quickest best option future at QB.

He could have helped install Moore’s O. Have familiarity with how Coach Doug works also.

Saints drafted the supposed …most developed NFL ready draft Qb prospect:

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Saints drafted the supposed …most developed NFL ready draft Qb prospect:

Thing is…still doesn’t make that rookie actually NFL worthy even.

Once they get some good looks at their rookie high draft pick….think that will confirm for them how far away from actually being capable enough this rookie they drafted is right away. After really seeing their high pick rookie isn’t nearly ready enough…hoping desperation hits them. Tough to spend on that QB in the draft like they just did…AND trade high picks for McKee right after. But better than….the alternative of completely being a disaster.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

My thinking hasn’t changed drastically on McKee. Still view Moore and the Saints as that team needing to reach and overpay for him. Always would have been the cheapest quickest best option future at QB.

As far as a home for McKee, New Orleans does make the most sense. The challenge they face is their cap situation.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Once they get some good looks at their rookie high draft pick….think that will confirm for them how far away from actually being capable enough this rookie they drafted is right away. After really seeing their high pick rookie isn’t nearly ready enough…hoping desperation hits them. Tough to spend on that QB in the draft like they just did…AND trade high picks for McKee right after. But better than….the alternative of completely being a disaster.

There is a word for being a disaster … process.

2 hours ago, mattwill said:

Yes you can control it. Use the sizing feature at the bottom right corner of the video before posting it.

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That’s between YouTube and or site…not my control…they pair together

Ham, here’s the instructions for how to make your YouTube posts smaller. Are you posting from a PC?

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

On a PC, there's a little box in the bottom right corner of the YouTube … just size it to whatever size you want.

2 hours ago, mattwill said:

All good points, and I would add one more curse. Specifically, he has gotten such a clear reputation as a shrewd trader, and many teams shy away from even answering his calls.

It's really conjecture on our parts as to what really goes through the minds of the various GMs as trades/picks emerge.

Of course, we can usually foresee what areas need to be addressed, but how to do so is a bit of an art.

Howie might be shrewd, but he is not a crook. I believe he pursues his craft with the philoosophy of win/win for both sides. Thus, his success and his recogntion thereof.

Fortunately, he has an owner that entrusts him with doing what is best for the Eagles and their tremendous fanbase. That is also part of his "blessing".

Apparently he realizes that he has pushed the salary cap "shuffle" about as far as he can and must reign in his void year/dead money shenanigans going forward in order to maintain progress.

4 hours ago, mattwill said:

He is (at most) worth a 2026 2nd Round pick, and that 2027 2nd is worth a 2027 1st Round pick.

What does this mean? the 2027 2nd is worth a 2027 1st?

If you are trying to say a 2026 2nd is worth a 2027 1st, ... no shot IMO... I agree the drop in round for the next year, just don't agree it's 100% accurate or true when it comes to the 1st round.

I mean you are about to enter day 2 of the draft, do you really think you would get next year's first round pick for one of your round 2 picks during the day on Friday leading up to round 2? I don't. Could it happen? Absolutely, very very improbable... so to me a 2nd round pick is no where near worth a 1st round pick, even with the year wait.

I'd trade my 2nd round pick each year for a 1st the following year... each year I would have two 1st round picks instead of one in each of the first two rounds... no brainer.

This drop in round works later in the draft and follows suit usually when looking at 3rd round this year to 2nd round the next. But if you think McKee is worth a 2026 3rd round... I don't think that means necessarily progressing to 2027 2nd and then to 2028 1st.

So if the realistic question is ... would you trade McKee for a 2026 3rd or 2027 2nd... I'll take the 2027 2nd... but I wouldn't look to trade until after this season. It's not significant enough for me to sacrifice having him as the #2 QB. For me would have to be a 2026 1st round pick to even consider, and I agree, he isn't close to being worth that. Not right now, would need some injuries or something to happen to change that.

Right now we have a nice cheap #2 QB... don't think anything is being thought to change that. IMO I would think Howie might look to possibly get a late round pick or player swap for the kid from Cleveland before cutting him and then putting him on the PS. That's probably the only move at QB he is looking at

Apparently there is a well established process for valuing trades covering multiple seasons that is mutually understood but nunetheless inexplicable.

For example:, on 4/26/18 we traded pick #32 and 132 for 52, 125 and what resulted in #53 in 2019.

As you can see, there is a degree of uncertainty involved in where a future draft pick will resolve itself...it's the chance you take.

Some memories will never fade.

I'll never forget the Packers trading future HOF Jim Ringo and journeyman FB Earl Gros for future Pro-bowl LB Lee Roy Caffey and our 1st pick in 1965. We had just picked future HOF OT Bob Brown #2. I believe GB thought they might get the 1st pick in 1965. Instead, they received the 7th pick. They missed out on both Dick Butkus and Gale Sayers. The Bears outsmarted them that year. Of course, we had the former losing coach from Notre Dame sering as both coach AND GM at thet time period. Then again., the Bears have 3 (unsigned) draft picks thsi season.

Converting Eagles fans in the mid south

10 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Nah,that doesn't fit the narrative,it's everyone elses fault

10 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

They need an O line before ANY QB will have a CHANCE at success

Agreed 100%. Moore should know that very well from his Dallas, Seattle, Philly experience. It is time for The Process in the Big Easy.

9 hours ago, joemas6 said:

What does this mean? the 2027 2nd is worth a 2027 1st?

If you are trying to say a 2026 2nd is worth a 2027 1st, ... no shot IMO... I agree the drop in round for the next year, just don't agree it's 100% accurate or true when it comes to the 1st round.

I mean you are about to enter day 2 of the draft, do you really think you would get next year's first round pick for one of your round 2 picks during the day on Friday leading up to round 2? I don't. Could it happen? Absolutely, very very improbable... so to me a 2nd round pick is no where near worth a 1st round pick, even with the year wait.

I'd trade my 2nd round pick each year for a 1st the following year... each year I would have two 1st round picks instead of one in each of the first two rounds... no brainer.

This drop in round works later in the draft and follows suit usually when looking at 3rd round this year to 2nd round the next. But if you think McKee is worth a 2026 3rd round... I don't think that means necessarily progressing to 2027 2nd and then to 2028 1st.

So if the realistic question is ... would you trade McKee for a 2026 3rd or 2027 2nd... I'll take the 2027 2nd... but I wouldn't look to trade until after this season. It's not significant enough for me to sacrifice having him as the #2 QB. For me would have to be a 2026 1st round pick to even consider, and I agree, he isn't close to being worth that. Not right now, would need some injuries or something to happen to change that.

Right now we have a nice cheap #2 QB... don't think anything is being thought to change that. IMO I would think Howie might look to possibly get a late round pick or player swap for the kid from Cleveland before cutting him and then putting him on the PS. That's probably the only move at QB he is looking at

You and I will have to agree to disagree. Here are 10 historical trades that have netted a next year's 1st. The first three are using late 1st Round picks and the remaining seven are with 2nd Round picks

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

You and I will have to agree to disagree. Here are 10 historical trades that have netted a next year's 1st. The first three are using late 1st Round picks and the remaining seven are with 2nd Round picks

Again...I think you fail to read my posts. " Could it happen? Absolutely," That means it could happen... its nice to see 30 years where 10 trades.... and the first 3 involve swapping this year's #1 for next years (not a 2nd round pick) with the last 2 of the trades actually taking TWO years to get the return ... so you showed 5 trades in the middle there .... 30 years .... out of those 5, two of those trades also involved another pick.

So, you are the research man ... if you take the 3 occurrences above....

2009 swapping pick 37

1996 swapping pick 41

1995 swapping pick 51

It would be curious to see the teams involved at the time and the rosters / picks that each team had. Or if there were any players involved in addition to those picks.

But good quality research showing 3 occasions where this happened in the last 30 years, absolutely verifies my " Could it happen, absolutely" comment. Nice to see when other posters are able to find proof to back up my points.

Simple view will help here...

Do we think a team would offer a 2026 3rd round pick for McKee? What is the possibility? Do we think it's the same probability a team would offer a 2027 2nd round pick? From there what do we think the odds are of getting an offer of a 2028 1st round pick?

For me... I think the odds go way down in getting the 2028 1st round pick offer.

So again my point, I don't think it's an automatic formula of the one round drop in value per year .... not in every occasion and certainly less when a 1st round pick is involved.

Also, do I think EVERY teams tries to unload their probable cuts for draft picks each year as the cut down day approaches.... Absolutely. Do I see it as a possibility that Howie can make one of those type of trades, sure. Do I think he gets 3 late round picks that easy for players that the league knows are about to be cut.... most likely not. I believe we will see some player swaps involved and pick swaps. I don't think we see a return of 3 extra picks for 3 guys that would have been cut.

Maybe Keegan or Kinnard type of player ... along with a 7th round pick, and get a 6th round pick in return? Something like that.

So I took a quick glance at those 3 trades.... the 1995 and 1996 trades were both made by the Chargers. A little desperation there.

The 2009 trade between Denver and Seattle ended up giving Seattle Earl Thomas in 2010.

14 hours ago, Crazy Legs said:

It's really conjecture on our parts as to what really goes through the minds of the various GMs as trades/picks emerge.

Of course, we can usually foresee what areas need to be addressed, but how to do so is a bit of an art.

Howie might be shrewd, but he is not a crook. I believe he pursues his craft with the philoosophy of win/win for both sides. Thus, his success and his recogntion thereof.

Fortunately, he has an owner that entrusts him with doing what is best for the Eagles and their tremendous fanbase. That is also part of his "blessing".

Apparently he realizes that he has pushed the salary cap "shuffle" about as far as he can and must reign in his void year/dead money shenanigans going forward in order to maintain progress.

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Nope..definitely still doing that