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Ongoing Eagles New Discussion volume 2

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33 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You feel a little stuck like Siri here. Don’t coach and think..‘don’t make mistakes’…don’t throw interceptions.’ Coach what’s the right way to attack and achieve greatness. Don’t play focused so much on ‘don’t lose.’ Focus on determined you can’t be beat and will win.

You really don’t have a clue about risk mitigation. You clearly should never work for an insurance company.

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40 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Discussions of elite all time teams are a waste of time. There is no way to intelligently compare the current Eagles team with Lombardi’s Packers of the 60s, or Noll’s Steelers, or Johnson’s Cowboys, or Walsh’s Niners. Brady’s Patriots are at least in a comparable era, and to be in the same conversation as their six Super Bowl wins, we have a long way to go.

Several seasons isn’t the same as comparing greatest single season team. But both conversations and comparisons will find struggles from our approach.

48 minutes ago, mattwill said:

If that isn’t demoralization from running up the score, then I don’t know what is. You don’t think the SB beatdown isn’t generously going to be plastered on the locker room walls leading up to Week Two this season? The Eagles embarrassed the Chiefs players and they are mad as hell about it.

You should beat down your opponent to the maximum in the SB. That one game…I’m just not buying in to "supposed to” or "need to” hold back. This isn’t running up the score on a weak opponent…or short handed team…it’s the ultimate top level. In the SB…you can compete or you can’t…can’t ask anybody to slow down because you’re too good in the championship. That’s the best opponent can face…

44 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Discussions of elite all time teams are a waste of time. There is no way to intelligently compare the current Eagles team with Lombardi’s Packers of the 60s, or Noll’s Steelers, or Johnson’s Cowboys, or Walsh’s Niners. Brady’s Patriots are at least in a comparable era, and to be in the same conversation as their six Super Bowl wins, we have a long way to go.

You have team…and individual. Nobody should have to be held back from achieving their best in the SB.

25 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Several seasons isn’t the same as comparing greatest single season team. But both conversations and comparisons will find struggles from our approach.

Regardless of what approach you use, it is a fool’s errand. The kind of thing one would do on Madden.

54 minutes ago, mattwill said:

You really don’t have a clue about risk mitigation. You clearly should never work for an insurance company.

I wouldn’t

Just now, mattwill said:

Regardless of what approach you use, it is a fool’s errand. The kind of thing one would do on Madden.

Yeah…striving to do your best…is just a terrible approach

24 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You should beat down your opponent to the maximum in the SB. That one game…I’m just not buying in to "supposed to” or "need to” hold back. This isn’t running up the score on a weak opponent…or short handed team…it’s the ultimate top level. In the SB…you can compete or you can’t…can’t ask anybody to slow down because you’re too good in the championship. That’s the best opponent can face…

The only measurement that matters is winning. Win by 1, win by 34, there is only one Lombardi Trophy to lift.

25 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You have team…and individual. Nobody should have to be held back from achieving their best in the SB.

The only thing that matters is team. All the rest is fluff.

57 minutes ago, mattwill said:

The first four games of 2024 are ample evidence of the downside risk of a passing-centric game plan. You are forcing you O-Line to take their first step backwards when the ball is snapped instead of firing out and laying the wood on the defenders. That isn’t playing to your strengths. It is letting the opposing D-Line lay the wood on you.

About a week ago I reposted here in this thread a question that a Blogger asked the Blog. You never answered that question, so I’ll ask it again. Who do you think is more important, the Quarterback or the Offensive Line?

The first four games…three of which we didn’t have AJ our best receiving option. The fourth…missing OLine, AJ and Smitty. First game was in a new O. In Brazil(first game ever in South America. Crowd was cheering at the wrong times. Different field setup. I mean more than about any extenuating circumstances you could get to judge anything on. But that’s the only game of the four we had our best passing weapon.

Grown pretty tired of this lazy reasoning and logic.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yeah…striving to do your best…is just a terrible approach

Balance is a far superior approach to the imbalance of striving. The whole is greater than the sum of the individual parts.

Like I said earlier, your approach is testosterone overload.

Like I asked before (twice). Which do you think is more important, a team’s Quarterback or that team’s Offensive Line?

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3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We aren’t going to a FB scheme. It is possible we actually use a FB personnel package to run a few plays though. Clearly something they’ve been considering. Part of the thinking about that option also I believe revolves around the ability to run The Brotherly Shove. There has been an understanding the commish was trying to ban the play. Goodell came up a little short attempting to thwart us however. I’m sure he isn’t done though. He has massive million dollar antic teams that can break down every nuisance of every phase to figure out any specific areas we have advantages in. Fairly likely he attacks Rosie Void year contracts. Something we rely on more than any other team. Probably hurt is worse than banning The Brotherly Shove to be honest. Want put an immediate stop to us. But will really sting us trying to extend out on our Dynasty run.

Not much need for VS then. hard to keep a guy on the 53 for ST alone. The folks on ST's should have some type other role unless they are a sparkling stand out returner. After the rule changes all you need now is "adequate". How many run backs for TD's have we seen since the rule changes?

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

The first four games…three of which we didn’t have AJ our best receiving option. The fourth…missing OLine, AJ and Smitty. First game was in a new O. In Brazil(first game ever in South America. Crowd was cheering at the wrong times. Different field setup. I mean more than about any extenuating circumstances you could get to judge anything on. But that’s the only game of the four we had our best passing weapon.

Grown pretty tired of this lazy reasoning and logic.

Excuses, excuses.

The bottom line of those games was (1) a failure to manage risk effectively, and (2) placing the O-Line in a position to be beaten up rather than be the ones doing the beating up.

You seem to believe you are smarter than Lane Johnson and Jeff Stoutland.

But look…I was plenty in favor of physical approach for us. I’m in favor of ‘zigging’ when everybody else is trying to ‘zag.’ Felt like the league became more specialized with the approach. Teams clearly paying and valuing prioritizing passing game. Old days wanted bigger physical LBs and such…run stopping a must. League really turned too hard towards pass defenders. LBs and Edge guys so much more judged on pass defending. So going back towards hit them in the mouth approach is smart and works. Niners been doing exactly that also.

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2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Gotta remember we were the worst first quarter scoring team last season. A key detail factors in on both sides of the discussion really.

Once again you still fail to see WHY that was. Ever watch boxing? There are usually 1-3 "feel out" rounds before the big action starts. What's wrong with taking 1/4 1 and analyzing your opponents game plan?

Just now, mattwill said:

Excuses, excuses.

The bottom line of those games was (1) a failure to manage risk effectively, and (2) placing the O-Line in a position to be beaten up rather than be the ones doing the beating up.

You seem to believe you are smarter than Lane Johnson and Jeff Stoutland.

New O scheme. That wasn’t hashed out even yet. Had injuries along the Oline along with just trying to install the new O. Run blocking easier. Pass blocking takes more thinking and perfection.

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

Excuses, excuses.

The bottom line of those games was (1) a failure to manage risk effectively, and (2) placing the O-Line in a position to be beaten up rather than be the ones doing the beating up.

You seem to believe you are smarter than Lane Johnson and Jeff Stoutland.

Sure…listed off a huge long list of excuses. That’s exactly what they are. Doesn’t make them any less accurate and defining. You too worried about not losing week 6. I’m more concerned about how far can you get by first playoff game…win or go home time.

3 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Excuses, excuses.

The bottom line of those games was (1) a failure to manage risk effectively, and (2) placing the O-Line in a position to be beaten up rather than be the ones doing the beating up.

You seem to believe you are smarter than Lane Johnson and Jeff Stoutland.

Just crap…your four games. Two of which are the least relevant to define and judge things based on. TB game makes zero sense. Brazil game…c’mon…week one is widely known as a crap shoot anyway. So unreasonable to skip the PS in a new O …but define so much based on the first series of week one.

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41 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You should beat down your opponent to the maximum in the SB. That one game…I’m just not buying in to "supposed to” or "need to” hold back. This isn’t running up the score on a weak opponent…or short handed team…it’s the ultimate top level. In the SB…you can compete or you can’t…can’t ask anybody to slow down because you’re too good in the championship. That’s the best opponent can face…

If the SB was boxing we had a TKO when we went up 33-0

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7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But look…I was plenty in favor of physical approach for us. I’m in favor of ‘zigging’ when everybody else is trying to ‘zag.’ Felt like the league became more specialized with the approach. Teams clearly paying and valuing prioritizing passing game. Old days wanted bigger physical LBs and such…run stopping a must. League really turned too hard towards pass defenders. LBs and Edge guys so much more judged on pass defending. So going back towards hit them in the mouth approach is smart and works. Niners been doing exactly that also.

Why zag when you are 100% executing what you want to do?

Besides …first interception was fault of elite LG Dickerson getting beat by Slaton twice straight plays. Not a matchup coaches or QB are expecting to be lost.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Besides …first interception was fault of elite LG Dickerson getting beat by Slaton twice straight plays. Not a matchup coaches or QB are expecting to be lost.

Games where Dickerson is getting beat like he was that first game are going to be difficult for us. I actually mentioned trading for Slaton last offseason. He left Green Bay and signed cheap this offseason. Would have been a good bargain signing for us. Would have cost a comp pick to do though.

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why zag when you are 100% executing what you want to do?

Think that’s largely because we zig while most zag. We’ve been built focusing on massive great run blocking Oline with the ultimate position coach. Of course you should take advantage utilizing exactly what you prioritized to create.

6 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

If the SB was boxing we had a TKO when we went up 33-0

In boxing…you can beat the crap out of your opponent for round after round….but if he catches you? You lose. Thinking like that little guy against George Foreman so late in his career. Reigning champ just kept tagging Foreman and moving. Ridiculous punch connection differential. But then one punch…Foreman owned him.

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1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Think that’s largely because we zig while most zag. We’ve been built focusing on massive great run blocking Oline with the ultimate position coach. Of course you should take advantage utilizing exactly what you prioritized to create.

So why should you risk adding to the pass game and going away from what works? Why do you want to fix what isn't broken?

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