1 hour ago, Crazy Legs said:

Based upon what's going on this off-season, does anyone feel that teams will be dumping their 2nd-round picks? 😒

That is an interesting thought, but no I don’t think they will. The reason is simple. Fully guaranteed money doesn’t cost the owners anything extra. What it does is take money away from the bottom of the roster players. If a 2nd Round player with a guarantee doesn’t make the team cut, the guaranteed dollars become dead cap charges, and that dead cap money can’t be spent on other players. It’s zero sum for the owners, and zero sum for the NFLPA, but there definitely are losers among the players.

1 hour ago, Crazy Legs said:

And is anyone concerned about our long-term viability at tight-end? All 7 on our off-season roster will be free agents next season.

So much uncertainty to deal with.

Not concerned at all. To start with, TE is a low leverage position (see table below). If Howie and his scouts don’t see anything that they like in the Draft, then they will sign one-year rental players like they did this year.

1 hour ago, Crazy Legs said:

So much of our success has been as a result of relatively few disasterous injuries...will our luck continue or could we experience what the Lions experienced last season?

Only time will tell.

1 hour ago, Crazy Legs said:

Isn't the off-season fun?

Indeed it is. Lots of uncertainty, therefore lots of drama.

5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

At the core of what you and I disagreed about on all that though was I just believed in clearing the cap instead of always spending maxing out. Pissed me off especially in 2020 with a four win team to not just be capped out and old….but have invested so much future cap money in that squad then.

They never " max" out.. that's your idea that a team has to spend every dime of cap space to go all in. The bad moves by Howie were always player choices...not the way he did the contracts. That's why it's built like it is now... proper player choices via the drafts... and everything falls into place.

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You made predictions on Ringo, Dean, Ojomo…

No predictions on any of them... simply stated their current status of what the 2023 draft is projected at the moment.

5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Exactly where this franchise is positioned now….then I believe in spending that future cap money investing to take advantage.

That's not how it works....you don't get the business side.

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

That's what makes the cuts so difficult. I agree MJ needs worked on, but with good skill position coaches this kid will be a good one. Like I said, we have TOO MANY good players/prospects. It's a double edged sword for me. I don't want to cut 1/2 the guys we will have to cut. I'm happy they expanded the PS. maybe a few find their way onto the "phantom" IR LOL. I'm anxious to hear what the locals are saying, the ones who get to actually see the practices. I really wasn't doing alot of research on RB's because Bark has that RB1 locked in until he retires. The rise of McCord will be the reason we trade either him or McKee in a year or 2 and I have him as QB3 over Thompson. This team has alot of patience, much more than I have. I remember when I was mad that we kept Mailata around so long. I had to throw egg on my own face on that one LOL(and I deserved it). Still a battle for RG and that's not over. I like all the other guys you mentioned too, so once again it's going to be tough watching these prospects end up on other teams. McCord sticks-book it. MJ is a ????? I'm also watching the rift between McLauren and the Wuss FO. Always liked him, but we have no room for him anyhow. It's tough to be on top, but I still like it!!😃

I want this " problem " every year... we should be cutting NFL level players because they weren't good enough to make our roster... much better than being in a position to struggle to fill up your practice squad or 53 with NFL level players.

We should be cutting quality players for a few years .. especially with all these drafts picks.

10 hours ago, Crazy Legs said:

Based upon what's going on this off-season, does anyone feel that teams will be dumping their 2nd-round picks? 😒

And is anyone concerned about our long-term viability at tight-end? All 7 on our off-season roster will be free agents next season.

So much uncertainty to deal with.

So much of our success has been as a result of relatively few disasterous injuries...will our luck continue or could we experience what the Lions experienced last season?

Isn't the off-season fun?

This has been such a boring and uneventful off-season.... absolutely the best! Keep it rolling!!!

10 hours ago, mattwill said:

He values them all (and I don’t say that to be difficult.

I have always hated Zone Defenses until Fangio showed me how the whole can be greater than the sum of its parts. For example, the LBs and DBs can (only) thrive if the Front Four can do their job without supplementation. If the four has to be five through blitzing, the strength of the Back Seven is diminished. With the full complement of seven, three things happen, (1) the seams in the zones are in different places than the opposing QBs and receivers are expecting them to be, (2) the two ILBs take away the quick release pass patterns over the middle (which opposing QBs used to feast on against the Birds), and (3) DeJean and the two ILBs (and to a somewhat lesser degree the Safeties) are regularly able to free lance the way both DeJean and Baun did in their respective interceptions in the Super Bowl.

Many of the six sacks in the Super Bowl can be labeled coverage sacks. That doesn’t devalue the accomplishment, but rather acknowledges just how effective the coverage of the players on the field was in executing Fangio’s scheme. It was eleven men working together in harmony, and Fangio values and appreciates everyone of them … and the position they played.

JMO

Very astute observation...thanks for your input!

10 hours ago, mattwill said:

That is an interesting thought, but no I don’t think they will. The reason is simple. Fully guaranteed money doesn’t cost the owners anything extra. What it does is take money away from the bottom of the roster players. If a 2nd Round player with a guarantee doesn’t make the team cut, the guaranteed dollars become dead cap charges, and that dead cap money can’t be spent on other players. It’s zero sum for the owners, and zero sum for the NFLPA, but there definitely are losers among the players.

Not concerned at all. To start with, TE is a low leverage position (see table below). If Howie and his scouts don’t see anything that they like in the Draft, then they will sign one-year rental players like they did this year.

Only time will tell.

Indeed it is. Lots of uncertainty, therefore lots of drama.

Precisely the response I was hoping for.

Re TE: I do believe the Eagles overall record and stats reflect an improvement when Goedert is active. He obviously is in jeapardy for next season.

As a fan, I hope a compromise can be achieved, as I don't see any good alternatives on the immediate horizon.

Warren (PSU) caught my interest as the season progresed, but his stock went thru the roof.

Bleeding Green Nation

Bryan Braman, Eagles Super Bowl champion, dies at 38

Rest in peace.

16 hours ago, Crazy Legs said:

Based upon what's going on this off-season, does anyone feel that teams will be dumping their 2nd-round picks? 😒

And is anyone concerned about our long-term viability at tight-end? All 7 on our off-season roster will be free agents next season.

So much uncertainty to deal with.

So much of our success has been as a result of relatively few disasterous injuries...will our luck continue or could we experience what the Lions experienced last season?

Isn't the off-season fun?

I really am viewing our TE situation as exciting. Rosie really stocked up the position looking to find that Diamond in the rough. I’m fine if we run with Calacattara for a couple of years. Especially if we unlock one or two of these unproven TE candidates to pair along in a committee approach. I’m not picking a horse in the race with all these unproven TEs. Just going to observe and see how it plays out. Really see some quality and potential in several of them.

15 hours ago, mattwill said:

He values them all (and I don’t say that to be difficult.

I have always hated Zone Defenses until Fangio showed me how the whole can be greater than the sum of its parts. For example, the LBs and DBs can (only) thrive if the Front Four can do their job without supplementation. If the four has to be five through blitzing, the strength of the Back Seven is diminished. With the full complement of seven, three things happen, (1) the seams in the zones are in different places than the opposing QBs and receivers are expecting them to be, (2) the two ILBs take away the quick release pass patterns over the middle (which opposing QBs used to feast on against the Birds), and (3) DeJean and the two ILBs (and to a somewhat lesser degree the Safeties) are regularly able to free lance the way both DeJean and Baun did in their respective interceptions in the Super Bowl.

Many of the six sacks in the Super Bowl can be labeled coverage sacks. That doesn’t devalue the accomplishment, but rather acknowledges just how effective the coverage of the players on the field was in executing Fangio’s scheme. It was eleven men working together in harmony, and Fangio values and appreciates everyone of them … and the position they played.

JMO

You probably need to prepare for some change. I’m of the belief Fangio is going to utilize much more Man coverage this season.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

You probably need to prepare for some change. I’m of the belief Fangio is going to utilize much more Man coverage this season.

Seems highly likely he’s going to really need to. Have Q follow and stick to that top WR target very often. He can handle it. Ringo and DeJean should do very well against the Two…or Three. Top elite WR Fangio will need to shield the other DBs from. Sure he can still use Zone…or double teams. Kind of countering your thoughts about four man rush up front….you could just as easily flip it and discuss how the guys up front benefit from such quality coverage behind them. Not as caught up on only four rushing….don’t really see Fangio that way anyway. He loves bringing that extra guy. You see how he really likes to get these ILB and other defenders who can also blitz. If nothing else..to disguise and fake things(like still could be only four men..but Baun could rush and a Dline could drop).

15 hours ago, mattwill said:

That is an interesting thought, but no I don’t think they will. The reason is simple. Fully guaranteed money doesn’t cost the owners anything extra. What it does is take money away from the bottom of the roster players. If a 2nd Round player with a guarantee doesn’t make the team cut, the guaranteed dollars become dead cap charges, and that dead cap money can’t be spent on other players. It’s zero sum for the owners, and zero sum for the NFLPA, but there definitely are losers among the players.

Not concerned at all. To start with, TE is a low leverage position (see table below). If Howie and his scouts don’t see anything that they like in the Draft, then they will sign one-year rental players like they did this year.

Only time will tell.

Indeed it is. Lots of uncertainty, therefore lots of drama.

The reason is even more basic than any of that. That team valued that player enough to draft them in the second round is why. Second round picks have to run in troubles with the law…that’s the only way they aren’t making the team. We have seen teams shorten the leashes on any and all draft picks however more recently. Example of Pickett…first rounder…two years and they moved on already. Takes some balls to give up on high picks like that so quickly though. Kind of stuff that can become huge ammo towards getting a coach the ax…if that player turns things around though elsewhere.

15 hours ago, mattwill said:

He values them all (and I don’t say that to be difficult.

I have always hated Zone Defenses until Fangio showed me how the whole can be greater than the sum of its parts. For example, the LBs and DBs can (only) thrive if the Front Four can do their job without supplementation. If the four has to be five through blitzing, the strength of the Back Seven is diminished. With the full complement of seven, three things happen, (1) the seams in the zones are in different places than the opposing QBs and receivers are expecting them to be, (2) the two ILBs take away the quick release pass patterns over the middle (which opposing QBs used to feast on against the Birds), and (3) DeJean and the two ILBs (and to a somewhat lesser degree the Safeties) are regularly able to free lance the way both DeJean and Baun did in their respective interceptions in the Super Bowl.

Many of the six sacks in the Super Bowl can be labeled coverage sacks. That doesn’t devalue the accomplishment, but rather acknowledges just how effective the coverage of the players on the field was in executing Fangio’s scheme. It was eleven men working together in harmony, and Fangio values and appreciates everyone of them … and the position they played.

JMO

My belief is you gotta be versatile. Man and Zone. Plenty of times even both concepts at once. Like Q in Man….while everybody else plays Zone. Thinking this will be a fairly bread and butter D we utilize this season. Just makes too much sense for us. But….you always hear about…”it’s all about the matchups.” So true. Part of what makes a great coach is knowledge, versatile, flexibility….and The Plan. What dominated the week earlier doesn’t always just translate to each game. So detailed and specific everything has become in every phase. A coach possesses the answers really makes all the difference. Set his players up for success.

19 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

That's what makes the cuts so difficult. I agree MJ needs worked on, but with good skill position coaches this kid will be a good one. Like I said, we have TOO MANY good players/prospects. It's a double edged sword for me. I don't want to cut 1/2 the guys we will have to cut. I'm happy they expanded the PS. maybe a few find their way onto the "phantom" IR LOL. I'm anxious to hear what the locals are saying, the ones who get to actually see the practices. I really wasn't doing alot of research on RB's because Bark has that RB1 locked in until he retires. The rise of McCord will be the reason we trade either him or McKee in a year or 2 and I have him as QB3 over Thompson. This team has alot of patience, much more than I have. I remember when I was mad that we kept Mailata around so long. I had to throw egg on my own face on that one LOL(and I deserved it). Still a battle for RG and that's not over. I like all the other guys you mentioned too, so once again it's going to be tough watching these prospects end up on other teams. McCord sticks-book it. MJ is a ????? I'm also watching the rift between McLauren and the Wuss FO. Always liked him, but we have no room for him anyhow. It's tough to be on top, but I still like it!!😃

It’s pretty wild how some of these WR are reaching out for bank breaking money. Niners got stuck by Aiyuck. Tough call….they had zero chance of contending if they lost him. Turned out they didn’t anyway…think he got injured, didn’t he? McLauren has a better case to be made than Aiyuck. Washington has to pay him. HAS TO!!! He’s very good…probably fairly underrated. But not a top five WR. But he has the leverage where he’s going to force them to pay him as much as AJ. Interesting to follow and see how that situation unfolds. Will Washington just cave and bend over forking over top five WR money?(which is top nonQB pay). Or will they pull off some brilliant move instead? I can’t really even give a great opinion on the wise choice for them on this situation.

Be great for us if Washington does lose McLauren. Just can’t see them competing with us without him. But….nobody wants to face reality and think this way….the wise move for Washington could be to bail on McLauren. He’ll bring a nice return in trade. Would move them towards looking towards the future more…than locking in focused on the present. Sacrifice 2025…maybe 2026….to instead look bigger picture for the organization.

15 hours ago, joemas6 said:

They never " max" out.. that's your idea that a team has to spend every dime of cap space to go all in. The bad moves by Howie were always player choices...not the way he did the contracts. That's why it's built like it is now... proper player choices via the drafts... and everything falls into place.

They pretty much always max out. But….with the way Rosie is running contracts and the cap….you might be naive in seeing some free cap left on each season as not maxing out. Thinking that way would be too simplistic and not accurate. The whole setup relies on needing to rollover some from the previous season. A couple of reasons this needs to happen.

15 hours ago, joemas6 said:

They never " max" out.. that's your idea that a team has to spend every dime of cap space to go all in. The bad moves by Howie were always player choices...not the way he did the contracts. That's why it's built like it is now... proper player choices via the drafts... and everything falls into place.

So how much could we spend on FAs in 2021? Since I even specifically brought up what transpired in 2020. 4 win team….Rosie capped out…not just for 2020…2021 also. Couldn’t add or sign anybody in 2021. How much more "maxed” out can you get than that? Not just one seasons cap maxed…but two. After you digest that part…then start also adding in all the future money spent beyond just that current season…or even just the next season. Rosie pushes these cap hits years down the road. We pretty much pay three years later for the actual play and production we get from players.

15 hours ago, joemas6 said:

They never " max" out.. that's your idea that a team has to spend every dime of cap space to go all in. The bad moves by Howie were always player choices...not the way he did the contracts. That's why it's built like it is now... proper player choices via the drafts... and everything falls into place.

Could dive into this statement for a month straight honestly. Player choices of course is crucial. But can’t separate player choices from the contracts and money though. Goes hand in hand.

Rosie hard balling Ceedy Duce in 2023. Was that a player choice issue? Or contract issue? 31st ranked pass D that pretty desperately needed a S. Rosie attempted to sign the player. So player choice was there. But money and contract was reasoning Rosie failed to retain Ceedy Duce. Turned and paid Over the Hill Bradberry even more instead to ice off the Fail Cake Rosie made on that one. All kinds of player choice and contract intertwining going on just in this one example.

How do you think Rosie chooses players? Contracts and money play a key role.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

How do you think Rosie chooses players? Contracts and money play a key role.

So being limited….forces some bad player choices…because he reaches for the older mid vet so much cheaper than the top guy on the market at the position. It’s all a balance. Money going to this guy….means it won’t be going somewhere else.

The top contracts actually aren’t as challenging in most ways to sign. I believe what’s so very key is those high paid..but not top dollar elite contracts. That’s where you need to get that wiggle room for the overall roster. Why I brought up Jordan Davis contract situation. Cam Jurgens type contracts fit as well.

15 hours ago, joemas6 said:

That's not how it works....you don't get the business side.

It really could…and can. Main reason you don’t see it occurring revolves around GMs not enjoying job security. Rosie in a fairly unique situation where he could afford that luxury.

15 hours ago, joemas6 said:

That's not how it works....you don't get the business side.

Go down the list of contending teams most every season for decades. It’s extremely common business practice in fact.