2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Then start there. Can’t make him something he isn’t.

Yes... please improve in the mental part of the game.   He can't be best QB in franchise history if he doesn't play the chess match. The running won't last long.

6 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Did Manning or Brady adjust on the fly?  I mean , that's the QBs job....unless he isn't mentally equipped to play the position in the pros?

So let’s talk about how this would occur. Would it not start with coaching? The coach would explain expectations of in this situation against this playcall he’d wish to adjust in this particular way. Blocking, receivers routes and QB throw. That’s in the case of the D throwing an unexpected surprise even. But what was occurring was completely expected from the D. Yet the playcall was all wrong. None of the adjustments to overcome the situation are occurring. Easy tell take telling me the coaches had no correct answers. Audible to a screen pass was the only answer I could detect. Saw that happen plenty. Of course so did our opponents.

13 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yes .. because an easy adjustment... bring in a back or a TE ....you know, it's allowed.    There is no rule against the QB calling a protection audible.  

Idk maybe all that amateur ball you watch they don't do that....pro ball the QBs do that.

Our O pretty much consisted of Hurts avoiding the rush to grab the big plays. What we did. You blame Hurts. I see the issues being so much deeper. I see Hurts as enabling it by overcoming in the first place to lead us to 10-1.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So let’s talk about how this would occur. Would it not start with coaching? The coach would explain expectations of in this situation against this playcall he’d wish to adjust in this particular way. Blocking, receivers routes and QB throw. That’s in the case of the D throwing an unexpected surprise even. But what was occurring was completely expected from the D. Yet the playcall was all wrong. None of the adjustments to overcome the situation are occurring. Easy tell take telling me the coaches had no correct answers. Audible to a screen pass was the only answer I could detect. Saw that happen plenty. Of course so did our opponents.

It starts with basics.  In high school the QB makes these adjustments.  Idk..maybe he takes more hits and e wakes up.

Do you think that less of him mentally, that he needs a coach to tell him everything ?  You see 6 vs 5...bring in a guy to make it 6 vs 6.  

You think he is that slow mentally that a coach needs to tell.a 4th year NFL QB that basic stuff?

6 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yes... please improve in the mental part of the game.   He can't be best QB in franchise history if he doesn't play the chess match. The running won't last long.

So how would he improve mental part of the game? Would it involve a QB coach, OC and maybe O minded HC giving him instruction on expectations and adjustments? Or do you just believe Hurts is too uncoachable?

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Our O pretty much consisted of Hurts avoiding the rush to grab the big plays. What we did. You blame Hurts. I see the issues being so much deeper. I see Hurts as enabling it by overcoming in the first place to lead us to 10-1.

In conclusion...you think Hurts is such a mental midget that he can't figure anything out on his own.  He needs basic football 101 even entering his 5th year in the NFL.

Wow....that's sad.  Good thing he can run.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

So how would he improve mental part of the game? Would it involve a QB coach, OC and maybe O minded HC giving him instruction on expectations and adjustments? Or do you just believe Hurts is too uncoachable?

Would involve himself being a basic football player. 

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

It starts with basics.  In high school the QB makes these adjustments.  Idk..maybe he takes more hits and e wakes up.

Do you think that less of him mentally, that he needs a coach to tell him everything ?  You see 6 vs 5...bring in a guy to make it 6 vs 6.  

You think he is that slow mentally that a coach needs to tell.a 4th year NFL QB that basic stuff?

Seems like you actually are condemning the coaches to me anyway when the situation everybody in the stadium expects before any play is even called.

The easiest check on the field...they have 6 vs your 5... bring in your 6th blocker.

Is it really rocket science? 

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Seems like you actually are condemning the coaches to me anyway when the situation everybody in the stadium expects before any play is even called.

I'm saying we are in trouble if a 5th year pro needs to be treated like a pop Warner QB.

Just now, joemas6 said:

Would involve himself being a basic football player. 

Hopefully the MVP runner up can become a basic football player. Maybe one day. 

Just now, joemas6 said:

I'm saying we are in trouble if a 5th year pro needs to be treated like a pop Warner QB.

He just was masking terrible coaching. It caught up with our team at a point last season.

Here is my conclusion.  You will never have a coach good enough for Hurts....because he is so slow mentally that the coach needs to teach him all the basics.  

Moore is done in your eyes.   The next too....if Hurts lasts that long

For me... i think Hurts has 3 years...and I think he fails.   I think the mental part of the game...if he is as dumb as you think he is ..will be his downfall.

 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He just was masking terrible coaching. It caught up with our team at a point last season.

He was making brutal mental decisions... like a pop Warner QB.

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

The easiest check on the field...they have 6 vs your 5... bring in your 6th blocker.

Is it really rocket science? 

You can always bring more rushers than can be blocked. You can try to matchup and block them all…or…get the ball off quick by utilizing hot routes. But WR has to be on the same page with the QB doing this.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

He was making brutal mental decisions... like a pop Warner QB.

Because you think he’s uncoachable?

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He just was masking terrible coaching. It caught up with our team at a point last season.

Obviously you don't have confidence in his mental ability.    Good thing he can run though right...most combined this and that...etc.    

The QB should be smartest guy in the room. He gets all the information and needs to process what all 21other guts are doing and needs to process it quickly.  

Obviously thar is the weakness of our guy.  Sure isn't running.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Because you think he’s uncoachable?

Coaches were giving him the answers and expectations and he just fails to execute the coaching?

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You can always bring more rushers than can be blocked. You can try to matchup and block them all…or…get the ball off quick by utilizing hot routes. But WR has to be on the same page with the QB doing this.

Again.. you are QB... you keep getting hit.  You think you know the game enough to bring in the guy for extra protection?

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Coaches were giving him the answers and expectations and he just fails to execute the coaching?

He fails to be mentally adequate other than RPO.   That is my fear for him. 

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Here is my conclusion.  You will never have a coach good enough for Hurts....because he is so slow mentally that the coach needs to teach him all the basics.  

Moore is done in your eyes.   The next too....if Hurts lasts that long

For me... i think Hurts has 3 years...and I think he fails.   I think the mental part of the game...if he is as dumb as you think he is ..will be his downfall.

 

Except Steichen did have him operating at a high level. Actually Hurts has operated at a very high level the whole time I’ve seen him. Already on such a clear path to being the best QB in franchise history. I’m riding the wave!

Let me ask.... you see Hurts coming over to ask...." you want Philly Philly "?

Or calling in Ertz at lunch time on a Wednesday..  " hey Zach, when we get in the red zone,  they are going to make this adjustment,  I'm going to call an audible and I want you to change into this route "

You see Hurts doing that?

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Again.. you are QB... you keep getting hit.  You think you know the game enough to bring in the guy for extra protection?

Knowing this is coming why adjustment always needed for Hurts to overcome? You aren’t demanding Pop Warner QBing. You are demanding Hurts be the HC, OC, QB coach, QB and team leader. He’s guilty of the bad game plan and playcalling. It’s his fault we can’t correct and adjust. Does anybody else have a job other than QB1? I’m curious.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Except Steichen did have him operating at a high level. Actually Hurts has operated at a very high level the whole time I’ve seen him. Already on such a clear path to being the best QB in franchise history. I’m riding the wave!

Yes...Steichen unbelievable job keeping everything so simple and keeping Hurts out of mentally challenging situations. 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Knowing this is coming why adjustment always needed for Hurts to overcome? You aren’t demanding Pop Warner QBing. You are demanding Hurts be the HC, OC, QB coach, QB and team leader. He’s guilty of the bad game plan and playcalling. It’s his fault we can’t correct and adjust. Does anybody else have a job other than QB1? I’m curious.

Not really....the QB has final say.  Obviously from a mental aspect ...Hurts needs work.  Maybe less squatting and more study?