2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Which would coincide with defending against a line drive kick. The players can’t move(except for two Returners). So always could have accurate line drive kicks that go through the holes in the defenders.

I don't think so.... ball should be still kicked over the blockers. 

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You basically would want Stoll or Kelce type blockers up front. Guys that can lock on the opponents coming from a few yards away. Big immobile G types probably wouldn’t work. Gotta latch on in a bit of space to block. But don’t need the hands type players now. So smaller guys aren’t really needed on the front of the return.

I think you see OL out there for sure.... 5 yards away...basically an OT and and Edge in a wide 9.  It's going to be more like a run play than an old school return.

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But you could have your own players crouch over a bit if a lower line drive was your approach. You can’t control the return team however. Why I brought up just placing your hands up high for the block. You’re lining up between the 35 and 30 on returns. So this would cut down on the angle to land the ball between the 20 and endzone on a low line drive kick some.

Lol... you tell me a kicker that can kick the ball 60 yards and not have the ball get to atleaast 9 or 10 feet at the apex.  No shot. 

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Kick must be returned in the landing zone. Can be downed if it reaches the end zone. So fair catching is gone.

But then it comes to the 20.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Sure... wouldn't you assume blocking the kick from doing that would be some kind of interference?   But also... I would assume the kick needs to be much higher anyway... that's 15 more yards it has to travel and the ball would already have traveled 30 yards...one would think the blockers standing on their 35 yard line is the exact middle of the distance the kicker is trying to land the ball.   So at that point it should clear the blockers by a decent amount.  

Figure the kickers want to land the ball around the 5... that's 60 yards from their 35.   Halfway is the other 35 where the blockers are.

Also I'm imagining the blockers need to avoid touching the ball first...if there are designated " returners".

Except none of that is in the rules. The rule is you can’t move until the call hits the ground or is touched. The ball being kicked into you I can’t see where that scenario is covered in the rules.

 Now the trajectory of a line drive kick would be the other thought involved. I believe it is a factor. The K could specifically kick it in between the players. That would mute any point about raising hands or hitting players. Could say that players with raised arms would create a space of 8.5 feet the kick would have to be above the ground to clear. One foot on the 35 …with a couple players being at the 30. The kick needing to land in between the 20 and Endzone. Kickers are very gifted. But this frames the window opening for them to work with.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

I don't think so.... ball should be still kicked over the blockers. 

My point is ….it would have to…if the ‘blockers’ raise their arms it does tighten the trajectory angles available.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

I think you see OL out there for sure.... 5 yards away...basically an OT and and Edge in a wide 9.  It's going to be more like a run play than an old school return.

5 yards is substantial enough. It’s basically like Oline getting at off ball LBs to block them…more like.

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Sure... wouldn't you assume blocking the kick from doing that would be some kind of interference?   But also... I would assume the kick needs to be much higher anyway... that's 15 more yards it has to travel and the ball would already have traveled 30 yards...one would think the blockers standing on their 35 yard line is the exact middle of the distance the kicker is trying to land the ball.   So at that point it should clear the blockers by a decent amount.  

Figure the kickers want to land the ball around the 5... that's 60 yards from their 35.   Halfway is the other 35 where the blockers are.

Also I'm imagining the blockers need to avoid touching the ball first...if there are designated " returners".

Whats the difference if the kick goes straight into a blockers stomach? If the blocker doesn’t move…in fact he can’t move…”to avoid touching.”

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

I think you see OL out there for sure.... 5 yards away...basically an OT and and Edge in a wide 9.  It's going to be more like a run play than an old school return.

Your example would be half that distance.

But I’m just pointing out the trajectory difference needed to clear 6’2” to 8’6”….to nail it in The Landing Zone…which I consider not a real large target. 20 yards deep. Just it being a factor. 

A hard kick bouncing off the ground being arguably the hardest for a returner to field cleanly. Think like a very hard Baseball hit being fielded…but with an oblong ball…taking whatever crazy bounces and hops.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/should-eagles-add-more-to-receiver-room/ar-BB1nhA2Q?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=bbd24ec1d59c4a3fa844742035ca5756&ei=11  All these players we have and "the abundance of cap space"

16 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

5 yards is substantial enough. It’s basically like Oline getting at off ball LBs to block them…more like.

There is a real talent to that. Not the same as just ramming into the guy right across from the line of scrimmage.

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/should-eagles-add-more-to-receiver-room/ar-BB1nhA2Q?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=bbd24ec1d59c4a3fa844742035ca5756&ei=11  All these players we have and "the abundance of cap space"

I don’t believe this is the list of players to spend the money on. 

22 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

My point is ….it would have to…if the ‘blockers’ raise their arms it does tighten the trajectory angles available.

But once again once the ball is kicked the kicking team cannot touch it first

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Gotta be able to tackle and disengage from the blocks to be on the kicking side of things.

Does no good to do that if the returner can get by you. How many blocks in the back will we see???

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

I don’t believe this is the list of players to spend the money on. 

Going to have Post June 1st contract situations unfold…possibly could shake a decent player loose. Then at the end of TC some vets will be seen as beat out…or expendable and cut….or up for trade. Then you have the options that arise all the way up until the trade deadline. Better options will become available.

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Does not good to do that if the returner can get by you

That comes down to tackling disengaging from blocks annd  Angle of pursuit.

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I don’t believe this is the list of players to spend the money on. 

LOL you keep bashing Howie about "cap space" yet we have top notch players AND cap space

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That comes down to tackling and disengaging from blocks. Angle of pursuit.

How much angle are you getting in 10 yards? If you are coming across the whole field you will be behind the action(aka blocks in the back)

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LOL you keep bashing Howie about "cap space" yet we have top notch players AND cap space

We have what I predict is a 10 win team. I don’t just bash Rosie. I point out my opinions on the good and the bad.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

We have what I predict is a 10 win team. I don’t just bash Rosie. I point out my opinions on the good and the bad.

With the talent we have 10 wins would be a disgusting failure. Is that as high a bar as you have?

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LOL you keep bashing Howie about "cap space" yet we have top notch players AND cap space

If you are just blown away with this season’s roster…frankly I’d be shocked you had that opinion. It’s good…but not great. If your goal is we field a competitive team? Then yes I’d say Rosie accomplished that. If the goal is celebrating a parade at the end of this season? Then I’d say no….Rosie didn’t accomplish that.

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

How much angle are you getting in 10 yards?

Pretty similar aspects to playing defense in many ways. Defenders always practice angle of pursuit. That I did when I started playing the game as a small child. Always a factor. It’s not ten yards either to make the tackle…it’s more.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

If you are just blown away with this season’s roster…frankly I’d be shocked you had that opinion. It’s good…but not great. If your goal is we field a competitive team? Then yes I’d say Rosie accomplished that. If the goal is celebrating a parade at the end of this season? Then I’d say no….Rosie didn’t accomplish that.

You know here is no parade before we play 1 game? WOW what a defeatist attitude. I'm expect more. If the rooks come through and last years rooks step up you don't think this is one of the best rosters in the NFL?