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Ongoing Eagles New Discussion volume 2

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6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Would you take Schwartz over Fangio? The Philly Special won us the game. What top talent was involved in that play?

Yeah…I just made that point two pages ago. It’s not all about individually talented players.

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Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

We have John Ross faster player ever….doesn’t mean he’s been worthy of starting ever though. You can’t coach talent into players. But talent alone isn’t nearly enough.

I didn't way it was enough,I said I STARTS there. Try reading and stopping the "gotcha" nit word picking to make yourself feel better

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1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yeah…I just made that point two pages ago. It’s not all about individually talented players.

Answer the question

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4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We have John Ross faster player ever….doesn’t mean he’s been worthy of starting ever though. You can’t coach talent into players. But talent alone isn’t nearly enough.

No clue.He has been battling injury a long time. Some players never make it back to 100%. We're giving him a CHANCE to compete for a spot

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4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Would you take Schwartz over Fangio?

 

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

If they have the talent to start you start them,like Mitchell will start

Will Q start? I’m not so definitive like you on that. Slay seems locked in to start. I’m believing DeJean will start on the slot. So that leaves the mega battle for one outside starting CB spot between Q, Ringo and Rodgers. Rodgers has down well already in this league. Had a large wake up call and is focused on his career big time. I liked what Ringo did to finish the season. Ringo I see as a legit starting CB. Proved himself in that last four games of last season. So then you have our first round pick from the small college football program. Very known how high I’ve been on him. But I’m really not nearly as sure as you he starts week one. 

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8 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Still, there is immense pressure on Philadelphia to capitalize on an all-world skill group and return to title contention  .   So I guess I am not alone saying we are "all in" for the next 2 years. As I said IDK what else Howie can give Hurts

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4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Will Q start? I’m not so definitive like you on that. Slay seems locked in to start. I’m believing DeJean will start on the slot. So that leaves the mega battle for one outside starting CB spot between Q, Ringo and Rodgers. Rodgers has down well already in this league. Had a large wake up call and is focused on his career big time. I liked what Ringo did to finish the season. Ringo I see as a legit starting CB. Proved himself in that last four games of last season. So then you have our first round pick from the small college football program. Very known how high I’ve been on him. But I’m really not nearly as sure as you he starts week one. 

IDK how you can sit your #1 pick after the lackluster performance last year. Slay looked a step slow at the end of last year. I suppose he could have regained his form. We'll find out in camp. Mitchell was covering AJ before,so I they are trying to see what he has

Q…Fangio gave some looks as the Dime LB. We don’t have coverage LBs. So he might get his first looks there. I’m not sold on he will get day one starting outside CB job. Once he starts getting looks out there you’d like to stick with him. But initially you could make solid reasoning towards going with the two others guys. Tough call…I don’t know. I like Rodgers. See our three starting CBs as Ringo, Q and DeJean going forward longer term. Always good to make guys earn their spot though. So starting with Slay seems like a must at first. He’ll get hurt a few games in anyway.

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK,personally I like to see a nice mix and a bunch of different looks/plays to get everyone involved

I thought the offense was Hurts making a big play.... go deep all the time?????    

IDK... 

But I absolutely agree there was a disconnect between Hurts and the coach.     I also believe more of the players sided with the coach.  I also believe Siri had input in the offense, probably more than he wanted to.  I just believe that it was because Siri/ Howie/ Lurie didn'r trust Johnson (Hurts boy)

So who does that leave on an island??  

So now 2024 ... Both coach and QB stay .... the moves were to get a new OC and immediately sign Barkley.  

2 moves that tell the QB... the team is bigger than you my man.  Time to grow up.    And I believe this is a great thing for the QB and for the team.  

Also.. I believe the game management wasn't close to as good as it was in 2022.  Time management and some other HC type decisions.  So you take what Devonte said, " you can miss things big picture if you focus too much on one thing, now coach can see the whole thing better"   I see it, now that he can let the OC do his thing, he can get back to managing the game etc.  

And the other good thing... enough Hurts stans in he fanbase and with Howie/ Lurie feeling they did a great job this offseason building the roster, Siri will have pressure on him to produce, just like the QB has to prove 2022 results weren't a fluke, and that his stans are justified being upset at him having a 13th ranking.

Plus for me, I like going into a season with a prove it mentality, rather than look how good we were last year.   I believe they were a little full of themselves last year, including the guy with 3 patents " keep the main thing the main thing"  " I had a purpose....yada yada

 

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I'm kind of assuming it could be Slay and Mitchell at CB

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3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Q…Fangio gave some looks as the Dime LB. We don’t have coverage LBs. So he might get his first looks there. I’m not sold on he will get day one starting outside CB job. Once he starts getting looks out there you’d like to stick with him. But initially you could make solid reasoning towards going with the two others guys. Tough call…I don’t know. I like Rodgers. See our three starting CBs as Ringo, Q and DeJean going forward longer term. Always good to make guys earn their spot though. So starting with Slay seems like a must at first. He’ll get hurt a few games in anyway.

It's a 1 word answer. Schwartz or Fangio? The rest I can see like working Ainias in at slot. But I don't see either riding pine at the end of the year

" Heading into the season, the Philadelphia Eagles are currently the favorites to win the NFC East. It would be hard to argue against that, as they made a concerted effort to upgrade their weaknesses during the offseason."

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

It's a 1 word answer. Schwartz or Fangio? The rest I can see like working Ainias in at slot. But I don't see either riding pine at the end of the year

He doesn't answer that type of question..... " you will get the cryptic " I answered that before, (in my left field rant that went off into a huge tangent, but didn't really say anything specific)  so you peasants don't deserve a direct answer...etc.    

If he says either Fangio or Schwartz in the next post.... I'll give you $1000

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5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I thought the offense was Hurts making a big play.... go deep all the time?????    

IDK... 

But I absolutely agree there was a disconnect between Hurts and the coach.     I also believe more of the players sided with the coach.  I also believe Siri had input in the offense, probably more than he wanted to.  I just believe that it was because Siri/ Howie/ Lurie didn'r trust Johnson (Hurts boy)

So who does that leave on an island??  

So now 2024 ... Both coach and QB stay .... the moves were to get a new OC and immediately sign Barkley.  

2 moves that tell the QB... the team is bigger than you my man.  Time to grow up.    And I believe this is a great thing for the QB and for the team.  

Also.. I believe the game management wasn't close to as good as it was in 2022.  Time management and some other HC type decisions.  So you take what Devonte said, " you can miss things big picture if you focus too much on one thing, now coach can see the whole thing better"   I see it, now that he can let the OC do his thing, he can get back to managing the game etc.  

And the other good thing... enough Hurts stans in he fanbase and with Howie/ Lurie feeling they did a great job this offseason building the roster, Siri will have pressure on him to produce, just like the QB has to prove 2022 results weren't a fluke, and that his stans are justified being upset at him having a 13th ranking.

Plus for me, I like going into a season with a prove it mentality, rather than look how good we were last year.   I believe they were a little full of themselves last year, including the guy with 3 patents " keep the main thing the main thing"  " I had a purpose....yada yada

 

A bit too overconfident at 10-1. If you remember the movie the Replacements,thats what was said in the locker room."what scares you the most" Falco answered "quicksand"

18 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

We were only NFC champs 1 year under Reid,please

Do you need to win playoff games just to get to the NFC Championship game no matter what seed you are? If so…then clearly comparisons to the cowboys would be out. 

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3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

" Heading into the season, the Philadelphia Eagles are currently the favorites to win the NFC East. It would be hard to argue against that, as they made a concerted effort to upgrade their weaknesses during the offseason."

IDK why Ham has so many issues,but this is one of the most talented teams I have seen the Eagles have. If you want to get into the nuances of coaching fine,but as far as pure talent all across the team,it's hard to best this one if Jurgens and Steen are OK. I don't expect either to be pro bowlers out of the gate,but you can be solid reliable and do your job

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Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Do you need to win playoff games just to get to the NFC Championship game no matter what seed you are? If so…then clearly comparisons to the cowboys would be out. 

It's great that we choke later than Dullaz,but a choke is a choke

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK why Ham has so many issues,but this is one of the most talented teams I have seen the Eagles have. If you want to get into the nuances of coaching fine,but as far as pure talent all across the team,it's hard to best this one if Jurgens and Steen are OK. I don't expect either to be pro bowlers out of the gate,but you can be solid reliable and do your job

Oh I think Jurgens could end up being pro bowl for sure.... he was an alternate at G last year... first year playing G, while his natural position is C, and now with a season of playing time under his belt.  

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why do you "buy" players in FA? because they have more talent than guys you have?

Should be to finish completing the roster puzzle towards a championship. That or a trade.

10 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I'm kind of assuming it could be Slay and Mitchell at CB

I’m sure this is the most popular leading opinion going. Maybe they let Ringo just back up Slay and come in that way. Very likely version. But not 100 percent at this point. 

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Should be to finish completing the roster puzzle towards a championship. That or a trade.

In Playstation mode... you can make all the decisions.... in real life you need other people to agree to everything, and there are 31 other teams involved in competition for each player.

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1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Oh I think Jurgens could end up being pro bowl for sure.... he was an alternate at G last year... first year playing G, while his natural position is C, and now with a season of playing time under his belt.  

Yeah,I said I wasn't all that worried. He could make a mistake here and there,but he was taught by the best there is. RG we need to see about

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Should be to finish completing the roster puzzle towards a championship. That or a trade.

why doesn't Dallas ever attempt to finish their puzzle?   Because they can't manage the cap to give themselves the opportunity to hit or miss on FAs 

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2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Should be to finish completing the roster puzzle towards a championship. That or a trade.

It's never completed,it's a fluid moving target

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