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Ongoing Eagles New Discussion volume 2

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It’s not like Saquan has proven the most durable pro player or anything. Just an obvious question in response to your thoughts…I’d think anyway. But I guess you are only allowed to badger me about demanding questions answered and not the other way around. When in fact I actually did and do answer your questions…while you dodge answering mine.

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29 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

What if Swift got hurt?

It should hurt the Bears I’d think. He’s a quality RB. I don’t see much of a gap between us and them. 

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

It should hurt the Bears I’d think. He’s a quality RB. I don’t see much of a gap between us and them. 

See us as 10 wins them as 9

19 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Just curious... 

If a team lost its MVP level QB

Its best LB, the signal caller in the middle 

It's playmaking RB, returner/ YAC creation specialist 

It's best ST player / 3rd safety

It's starting LT who was playing at a pro bowl level.

... if that roster was deep enough to have the best record and win the Superbowl... would it be safe to say it was the best roster in the league that year?  Probably by a good amount after losing all those key pieces ?

That was us 2017.  That's rare to have that kind of depth.  I don't see SF being able to do it. Trent Williams and their LB...forget even losing CMC.  KC loses Mahomes, they got no shot.

You can't go into every season just expecting the worst.   Do you see a roster built today that could sustain those key injuries and still be " elite"?

That team showcased all the things in this beautiful team sport you just can’t wrap your head around that equate to quality. All whole franchise performing as one. All shown by many how they each individually weren’t good enough. They fought like he11 for each other and wouldn’t accept the verdict of not good enough….cant be champions. 

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

That team showcased all the things in this beautiful team sport you just can’t wrap your head around that equate to quality. All whole franchise performing as one. All shown by many how they each individually weren’t good enough. They fought like he11 for each other and wouldn’t accept the verdict of not good enough….cant be champions. 

So many guys had their career season that year.

26 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Just curious... 

If a team lost its MVP level QB

Its best LB, the signal caller in the middle 

It's playmaking RB, returner/ YAC creation specialist 

It's best ST player / 3rd safety

It's starting LT who was playing at a pro bowl level.

... if that roster was deep enough to have the best record and win the Superbowl... would it be safe to say it was the best roster in the league that year?  Probably by a good amount after losing all those key pieces ?

That was us 2017.  That's rare to have that kind of depth.  I don't see SF being able to do it. Trent Williams and their LB...forget even losing CMC.  KC loses Mahomes, they got no shot.

You can't go into every season just expecting the worst.   Do you see a roster built today that could sustain those key injuries and still be " elite"?

What happened in that key moment? Our third string undrafted RB pitched it to our third string TE that threw it to our backup QB for the TD catch. They didn’t score because they were all the most talented. You missed that whole special season. You’re  blind. 

Frankly it kind of saddens me you just don’t understand how special that SB title was. 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

What happened in that key moment? Our third string undrafted RB pitched it to our third string TE that threw it to our backup QB for the TD catch. They didn’t score because they were all the most talented. You missed that whole special season. You’re  blind. 

Burton wasn’t Joe Montana. Foles wasn’t Jerry Rice.

Tom Brady is the best there’s ever been. Did he catch that pass? You’ve missed the whole thing. 

Same reasoning you aren’t comprehending so many issues we’ve been facing since

Do you hear Kelce belting out how we assembled the most talented team ever?

Now they are admitting they identified the assassin Crooks as a person of interest over 60 minutes before the shooting. They spotted him on the roof over twenty minutes before he shot. WTF

The assassin was on the roof of the building the police were using as a staging area. Counter sniper team was literally inside the building the sniper was on the roof of.

Dabol flat admits he’d like to trade for Daniels in the draft.

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

If the whole stadium knew it was going to be like that before the play was called? That’s my key point. How can you excuse the playcall yet blame the QB? We all knew blitz was coming, right? I mean it seemed so very incredibly obvious to me. Maybe I’m making too much of an assumption…but shouldn’t have just been me expecting blitz. Didn’t you expect blitz? 

Ok, I can see again you go right into "Hurts defense mode.....code red code red, someone is being honest about Jalen "   we need to defend..

So I'll just make this statement.   In 2024... I believe the Eagles will still use some empty backfield formations.    I believe the defense will line up 6 guys on the line covering every pass rushing gap.

However, I believe there will be adjustments made at the line of scrimmage where the QB signals / communicates the change... AFTER HE STEPS TO THE LINE TO SEE THE FORMATION.

 I believe the organization knows this was a problem that needed to be addressed.   

Again... the QB needs the ability to see something and adjust.   Whether it was the system or the QB... whatever the problem was, I believe that they fix it.  

I believe Hurts will go to the line and be ready to audible if necessary.  Especially in that particular situation, because the drastic alternative is to simply scrap every play that is in he empty backfield package.  

If you want to put the blame for 2023 on the janitor...I don't care... my mind is on 2024 and what happens next.

Do you believe that the Eagles will stop using the empty backfield formation? 

Do you believe teams will NEVER show 6 rushers vs this formation ?

I would assume you are intelligent enough to say the neither of these will just stop in the future....so obviously the change will be that there will be an adjustment made at the line.  Obviously that adjustment will be made by Hurts after both teams set up. 

If you think the change is that the adjustment is made via scheme,  where the coaches now gave Hurts the plan...  then fine.  I don't really care.   My point is I believe Hurts will " call the adjustment " now.   

Also.... here is thought.   Perhaps due to having Kelce at C, Hurts didn't feel comfortable taking charge of some of the protection adjustments.   Whether respect or just not having the confidence to feel he saw something different.    

Now I believe he will feel more comfortable taking on that responsibility if he sees something differently than Jurgens. 

Personally...I prefer my QB having as much control over every aspect of thr play with the ability to change little things.

I also believe the read option dummies things down too much for the QB, and stunts the mental growth.   I believe they go away from it now... will help the offense by having the QB play without the training wheels.

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

If the whole stadium is expecting blitz do you not think Dabol is calling a blitz beating play?

What is your blitz beating play that you think wouldn't involve protection adjustments?

Remember it's snap and all of a sudden a defender is free rushing in untouched.  We used the bubble screen or the slant... but behind the 6 man rush was the press coverage.

What do you think happens?

We will see come this year. 

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IDK seems to me(personally) that we are "all in" for the next 3 years. Bark signed,Smith and AJ extended. Lots of youth the last 2 years with what I would call successful drafts. Coaches changed(may change again) with Siri remaining in place-emotions or not. So for me this season and next seem crucial. It's a tough balance at WR because AJ won't last forever,but you can't draft another #1 type too soon because they want to start immediately or you have to get a FA that you will pay for. So I'm happy we got those 2 locked in for awhile. Allows time to build at other positions which Howie seems to be doing or trying to do.Both picks 1 and 2 bucked his and Eagles history,so I am glad he got over being gun shy at that position. Rosters are a constantly fluid thing. Besides money,you have to get players that fit. Just because they cost alot in FA(aka good elsewhere) doesn't mean they automatically fit your team or coaching staff,so Howie does a nice job. Hurts has been here and played with all the skill position guys with the exception of the slot guy and Bark,but Bark is Bark and one of the top RB's. I hope he has a stellar time here. Takes alot of pressure off Hurts. RG is the one to watch in camp,seems it's Steens job to lose,but we brought in plenty of competition. Iron sharpens iron. I'm really not too worried about Jurgens as he had a pro bowl teacher so it's not like we tossed a green rook into the fire. I don't believe Kelce was a pro bowler year 1 either. I expect some "new guy" errors but overall not worried about it. He will get better over time. Despite new guys at both spots,still one of the best O lines around. Bark should have a banner year,see little reason he can't. Much better O line than he is used to having. IMO Hurts needs to upgrade his brain game but I'm just a hater LOL. Don't make bad situations worse,make better decisions faster. See the on field threats and counter them or change the protection as needed. Our WR crew is top notch and someone will settle into the slot role and any are better than Quez was. Ham is worried about LB's but I'm really not. We have new ones and need to see what develops in camp and what the new schemes look like. I personally won't see them only reading reports and I'm sure if there is a major hole Howie will plug it long before week 1. Secondary has a chance to be one of the leagues best. TBH about anything was an upgrade over last year. The rooks will emerge at some point and that will provide more opportunities on offense as they stuff opposing offenses. I'm also wanting to get reports about our pass rush,but we can see that in pre season,at least a little. I'm more excited about this team than last year and despite what some say nobody could have predicted the collapse. it wasn't a "slump" it was a total meltdown and cannot be repeated. We were in the unique position of controlling our own destiny and failed miserably. I want to get back to that position. I don't think we fail this time. I want 12-5 with home field. See no reason that cannot be done. Alot of new gears to get meshed into the machine. It's a big ask,but one I think we accomplish. Not thrilled with the week 5 bye,but it is what it is and we have to cope. All we really need to do is keep guys on the field. Same wish every fan base has. We have nice depth in many places,some are a bit thin but that holds true for every team. There is only 1 reason we fail and that's not playing as a team. Stay focused for 60 minutes(we have trouble with this and Siri needs to handle it now). GB week 1 is a great test of 2 good teams. I suspect we see them sometime after week 1(wink wink). Still alot to get hashed out with new coordinators. I DO believe Siri is on the hot seat after last years debacle. Hurts needs to step up as I keep saying,but really he has the best tools a QB could want,no more excuses for him. He needs to stop talking and put it on the field. Success means there is nothing to talk about. Using Goedert correctly will go a long way. I like our chances for another SB appearance but we need to be solid out of the gate.I'm hoping to avoid 4th and 1 plays,way too many of those last year. No way we should need 4 downs to go 10 yards with the tools we have. Sorry for the rant,just all my thoughts in 1 post. If we win the trench war we cannot be stopped. Fly Eagles Fly

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11 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Howie saw an opening to improve the team and jumped on it. Howie is great at locating..well lets say "disgruntled" players and finding out ways to get them here(see AJ) Huff was an up and comer for the Jets and I hope he has a nice career as an Eagle 

10 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Ok, I can see again you go right into "Hurts defense mode.....code red code red, someone is being honest about Jalen "   we need to defend..

So I'll just make this statement.   In 2024... I believe the Eagles will still use some empty backfield formations.    I believe the defense will line up 6 guys on the line covering every pass rushing gap.

However, I believe there will be adjustments made at the line of scrimmage where the QB signals / communicates the change... AFTER HE STEPS TO THE LINE TO SEE THE FORMATION.

 I believe the organization knows this was a problem that needed to be addressed.   

Again... the QB needs the ability to see something and adjust.   Whether it was the system or the QB... whatever the problem was, I believe that they fix it.  

I believe Hurts will go to the line and be ready to audible if necessary.  Especially in that particular situation, because the drastic alternative is to simply scrap every play that is in he empty backfield package.  

If you want to put the blame for 2023 on the janitor...I don't care... my mind is on 2024 and what happens next.

So what do you believe the coaches were telling Hurts they wanted him to change the play to when….they already knew this was going to be the situation when they were calling the play in the first place? Get it. The coaches didn’t have good answers for Hurts. If they did they wouldn’t be calling these plays when it was very clearly expected a blitz was coming from the D in the first place.

10 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Do you believe that the Eagles will stop using the empty backfield formation? 

Do you believe teams will NEVER show 6 rushers vs this formation ?

I would assume you are intelligent enough to say the neither of these will just stop in the future....so obviously the change will be that there will be an adjustment made at the line.  Obviously that adjustment will be made by Hurts after both teams set up. 

If you think the change is that the adjustment is made via scheme,  where the coaches now gave Hurts the plan...  then fine.  I don't really care.   My point is I believe Hurts will " call the adjustment " now.   

All the above needs to happen. But it’s going to be very doubtful that any QB comes up with better answers all the time than his coaches can provide. Can’t you understand this? Hurts already was clearly given 100 percent control at the line of scrimmage according to Siri. He already made changes and adapted at the line.

10 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Also.... here is thought.   Perhaps due to having Kelce at C, Hurts didn't feel comfortable taking charge of some of the protection adjustments.   Whether respect or just not having the confidence to feel he saw something different.    

Now I believe he will feel more comfortable taking on that responsibility if he sees something differently than Jurgens. 

Personally...I prefer my QB having as much control over every aspect of thr play with the ability to change little things.

I also believe the read option dummies things down too much for the QB, and stunts the mental growth.   I believe they go away from it now... will help the offense by having the QB play without the training wheels.

We still will run the RPO. Hurts is the best QB at running that play. You don’t just delete something he excels at so highly. Hopefully you are just talking about scaling back its usage a bit. Which should easily be the case….that we scale back the usage on our tiny playbook from last season. Still do all those plays….just less. Plus would sure hope we have plays that look exactly the same presnap yet actually are different. Super simple basic O scheming….but something that after last year needs to be mentioned very clearly.

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