10 hours ago, joemas6 said:

What is your blitz beating play that you think wouldn't involve protection adjustments?

Remember it's snap and all of a sudden a defender is free rushing in untouched.  We used the bubble screen or the slant... but behind the 6 man rush was the press coverage.

What do you think happens?

We will see come this year. 

You can counter the blitz in several ways. Not always answering with calling in full protection blocking. A very normal way to counter the blitz is for the WR to also read the blitz and cut their route off to the Hot Route option. You know something quick hitting. But the QB and receiver MUST be on the same page with this. Crucial!

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

You can counter the blitz in several ways. Not always answering with calling in full protection blocking. A very normal way to counter the blitz is for the WR to also read the blitz and cut their route off to the Hot Route option. You know something quick hitting. But the QB and receiver MUST be on the same page with this. Crucial!

Last season there were only two options it appeared. Bubble screen…or Hurts escapes the pressure.

So FL you see is as one of the best Secondaries in the league this seasons after being 31st last season? Wow what a jump! Seems like a completely reasonable expectation….not. You did hit on playing like a team. Geling and playing together is key. But that almost always comes with time…actually playing together. We should see an uptick. But from 31st to best in the league is a ridiculously unreasonable expectation.

42 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Howie saw an opening to improve the team and jumped on it. Howie is great at locating..well lets say "disgruntled" players and finding out ways to get them here(see AJ) Huff was an up and comer for the Jets and I hope he has a nice career as an Eagle 

Obviously Hurts located his buddy AJ being disgruntled when he was working out with him discussing his Titans contract situation. So that was arguably about the worst example you could have used. 
 But I really do love the pain and misery the Giants have been caused directly by us. Us being gifted with it transpiring on Hard Knocks has just been very unexpected yet fantastic. 
  Now I’m not ready to go tooting horns over how great an addition Saquan was until he actually shows that he was a great addition …for us. Just see it as a two year signing. Can we become a contending team in those two years? Or is he just the stop gap while we rebuild? I wouldn’t agree with the move if the answer is the second.

Saquan was the only real personnel move made to answer the best the blitz question for us. So he obviously will be very key.

FL it really feels like you just aren’t taking the situation seriously as much as it deserves along the Oline. You admit growing pains are expected at C with Cam. Admit the RG situation is a question mark. Seems to be zero understanding in your talks about these two positions being side by side in the middle of our Oline. Cam just not being dominant at C will have a large effect. That is what helped cover for the poor performance we’ve had at RG. Now suffering growing pains at C could become a disaster paired with struggles at RG right next to them. 
  The main saving grace I place hope in is coaching. Something you don’t seem to ever acknowledge as a very crucial element. I’m trusting in Stout can fix and develop adapting the situation to get it working well. Now….right from the get go week one? Stout isn’t a miracle worker. Even my faith in him as a complete stud Oline coach I can’t reach this far in absurd fairy tale land.

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So what do you believe the coaches were telling Hurts they wanted him to change the play to when….they already knew this was going to be the situation when they were calling the play in the first place? Get it. The coaches didn’t have good answers for Hurts. If they did they wouldn’t be calling these plays when it was very clearly expected a blitz was coming from the D in the first place.

Again... I'm looking at 2024.   You stay on 2023.    I believe the issue was addressed this offseason and Hurts will adjust.

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We still will run the RPO. Hurts is the best QB at running that play. You don’t just delete something he excels at so highly. Hopefully you are just talking about scaling back its usage a bit. Which should easily be the case….that we scale back the usage on our tiny playbook from last season. Still do all those plays….just less. Plus would sure hope we have plays that look exactly the same presnap yet actually are different. Super simple basic O scheming….but something that after last year needs to be mentioned very clearly.

Ehh... I think the RPO takes less of a prime role in the offense.   More adult football in 2024. 

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

All the above needs to happen. But it’s going to be very doubtful that any QB comes up with better answers all the time than his coaches can provide. Can’t you understand this? Hurts already was clearly given 100 percent control at the line of scrimmage according to Siri. He already made changes and adapted at the line.

Lol.. all I'm saying... empty backfield...when they show 6 right up on the line filling all the gaps.  The QB will make the adjustment.  

It's easier for me to look at the future here...because I don't care about about turning Hurts into the older McNabb who just cared about blame.  And I am fine blaming the Hurts family friend that was our former OC.

I'm looking ahead and from everything I'm hearing and the vibe that's been given... I believe they understand the issue and are addressing it.

And Barkley for sure helps in pass protection.  Motion helps... a slot threat that can open quickly instead of Quez needing time to get open helps. 

Moving off the read option helps. 

Running the ball more in the first place helps.  

All things I believe they addressed this offseason....and again,  i believe the reports with Hurts having his best offseason as a pro.

Btw...I don't expect " growing pains " at all at C.  C is Jurgens natural position.  Kelce and other people admit it's an easy position to play.   Jurgens has been here 3 offseasons and 2 full seasons now.  He was actually on the field against some of these players in a more one on one role.  Now he gets to double team guys and move more, which is his strength. 

I don't think going from top 3 to above average is going to be that big of a deal.  

I understand Kelce is a popular player... but some of you make it sound like we will play with 4 OL next year.   

Idk if a transition could have been made any better at C. 

RG...we shall see.

Been trying to watch a decent amount of the replay of the last week of the season matchup between the Texans and Colts. Everything on the line. Winner goes to the playoffs. Loser goes home. A minute to go right in the Redzone…Gardner Minshew chokes the pass on fourth and one on a great play all. Pretty much the total difference in both teams seasons. Just how thin the line is between a dangerous playoff team….and not even making the postseason.

But also you can’t help watching the Colts season realizing how bad a choice Rosie made. Steichen would have been a better choice to retain. Should have promoted him and fired Siri.

13 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But also you can’t help watching the Colts season realizing how bad a choice Rosie made. Steichen would have been a better choice to retain. Should have promoted him and fired Siri.

When has a team fired a head coach that just took the team to a SB in year 2....after that guy took over a 4 win team?

And when has a team fired that coach only to hire his OC?

These things don't happen in reality. 

That's not to say assistant coaches aren't better than their head coach.... the guy in KC had a few assistants win before him....prior to finding Mahomes.

But it's not reality...the coordinators get promoted...that's how it works.

But seriously ... you gotta move on man.

Can the board unanimously concede.

Steichen better than Siri 

Hurts is the best human on the planet

The GM for SF is better than Howie.

This will prevent the endless waste of time looking back so we can all move forward to watching this mediocre team being carried by the QB this year.

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Lol.. all I'm saying... empty backfield...when they show 6 right up on the line filling all the gaps.  The QB will make the adjustment.  

It's easier for me to look at the future here...because I don't care about about turning Hurts into the older McNabb who just cared about blame.  And I am fine blaming the Hurts family friend that was our former OC.

I'm looking ahead and from everything I'm hearing and the vibe that's been given... I believe they understand the issue and are addressing it.

And Barkley for sure helps in pass protection.  Motion helps... a slot threat that can open quickly instead of Quez needing time to get open helps. 

Moving off the read option helps. 

Running the ball more in the first place helps.  

All things I believe they addressed this offseason....and again,  i believe the reports with Hurts having his best offseason as a pro.

Seems like Hurts is having his regular hard working offseason to me. Think you’re making a bunch out of not much really. Do you really think he’s been working out so much harder than previous seasons? Or what is it you think Hurts has been doing so much more in the offseason?

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Btw...I don't expect " growing pains " at all at C.  C is Jurgens natural position.  Kelce and other people admit it's an easy position to play.   Jurgens has been here 3 offseasons and 2 full seasons now.  He was actually on the field against some of these players in a more one on one role.  Now he gets to double team guys and move more, which is his strength. 

I don't think going from top 3 to above average is going to be that big of a deal.  

I understand Kelce is a popular player... but some of you make it sound like we will play with 4 OL next year.   

Idk if a transition could have been made any better at C. 

RG...we shall see.

You obviously are much higher on Cam than I am. I was high on Humphrey. Think we focused a bit too much on trying to find the closest replacement towards the Kelce type….instead of just looking for that elite C. 

13 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

When has a team fired a head coach that just took the team to a SB in year 2....after that guy took over a 4 win team?

And when has a team fired that coach only to hire his OC?

These things don't happen in reality. 

That's not to say assistant coaches aren't better than their head coach.... the guy in KC had a few assistants win before him....prior to finding Mahomes.

But it's not reality...the coordinators get promoted...that's how it works.

But seriously ... you gotta move on man.

I’m just not afraid to think outside this box your stick in if everything can only be done like somebody else previously has done it. Had anybody fired their SB winning coach as quick as we did with Pedey? No. Doesn’t bother you on the bad decisions for some reason. But thought things proved out fairly obviously that Steichen was the more crucial O mind we should have kept. But thank you for acknowledging how I have a gift for looking at things in different ways…not to be stuck in old others ways of thinking. Just make the right decision….that’s all that really matters. Not whether do and do has done it before or not. Siri didn’t do well playcalling. Steichen took over and righted the ship. Proved himself. Steichen was the better hire than Siri. The opportunity was there to have clearly seen and noticed this as fact to have made better decisions than what Rosie made instead.

32 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

When has a team fired a head coach that just took the team to a SB in year 2....after that guy took over a 4 win team?

And when has a team fired that coach only to hire his OC?

These things don't happen in reality. 

That's not to say assistant coaches aren't better than their head coach.... the guy in KC had a few assistants win before him....prior to finding Mahomes.

But it's not reality...the coordinators get promoted...that's how it works.

But seriously ... you gotta move on man.

Why can’t the right decisions be made? Don’t care if it means firing the HC to promote the OC to HC. Just make good decisions. 

41 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Can the board unanimously concede.

Steichen better than Siri 

Hurts is the best human on the planet

The GM for SF is better than Howie.

This will prevent the endless waste of time looking back so we can all move forward to watching this mediocre team being carried by the QB this year.

How about we all just concede we want the best we can get….figure out ways to get hold of the best….go from there. Just work on making good decisions.

52 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Seems like Hurts is having his regular hard working offseason to me. Think you’re making a bunch out of not much really. Do you really think he’s been working out so much harder than previous seasons? Or what is it you think Hurts has been doing so much more in the offseason?

 Because you choose not to listen to everything that's being said.

Nobody questioned " hard work"   life is more than hard work.  You have to put work in on the correct things and do them properly...   life isn't just " effort" 

Go read up what Lane and other people are saying.   

And take a compliment on your boy for once

8 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

 Because you choose not to listen to everything that's being said.

Nobody questioned " hard work"   life is more than hard work.  You have to put work in on the correct things and do them properly...   life isn't just " effort" 

Go read up what Lane and other people are saying.   

And take a compliment on your boy for once

Just good teammate offseason talk you’re buying into honestly. Only had OTAs and some volunteer player only interactions. Pretty much the same as always from Hurts. You just buying into the fluff. What could Hurts have been even doing so far more than the lifting weights, studying the playbook, welcoming teammates and putting in this extra work with the new guys to get things up and running as quickly as possible? Just the normal…which from Hurts is everything pretty much possible.

We have the 20th most expensive O this season

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We have the 20th most expensive O this season

Indebtedness 

5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Just good teammate offseason talk you’re buying into honestly. Only had OTAs and some volunteer player only interactions. Pretty much the same as always from Hurts. You just buying into the fluff. What could Hurts have been even doing so far more than the lifting weights, studying the playbook, welcoming teammates and putting in this extra work with the new guys to get things up and running as quickly as possible? Just the normal…which from Hurts is everything pretty much possible.

Pay attention to the specifics.   

15 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Secondary has a chance

Can you read???? Chance-(I need to explain this,same as you fail to comprehend what a GOAL is also I suppose?) "one of the best"-did I say BEST???? CJG is back,maybe a better pass rush and if the 2 rooks take off what would you think? 29th????