Do you think the firing was because we had a SB roster that only accomplished 4 wins and the coaches were at fault for our demise in 2020?

Or even go back to 2019?

Were we a stacked team that the coaches destroyed?

31 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I don’t really see it quite like that. Pretty much see it as he wants AR back. That he views him as the ideal HC. Which I’d agree with. Why he hired Pedey. The non football guys bought into the Chipper gimmick. Think most football people saw through the issues with him. A top O mind that can be a great HC is what I believe is Lurie’s answer.

I don't think he wants AR back at all.  Absolutely think they ( front office) wants control.   

They won before AR did...  

They won their way... and then got to another SB....THEIR WAY. 

IMO... they ain't changing...egos too big.

33 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Ego

And you think the Ego isn't there anymore....to where if they have success AGAIN this year ...then all of a sudden they change?

32 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Let’s not pluralize. He still was keeping Schwartz. But was the problem coaching? Or was it the obvious decline of the roster and the GM job that was actually suffering?

Why did they fire Doug.   The people who make the decision. 

You don't have to rehash all the stuff that i said multiple times that I agree with...that i believe they should have kept Doug one more year.

The people in charge want things done their way...not how you or I would do it. 

They have ego....they want control.  If they have more success this year, that only cements things more for keeping things their way.

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I don't think he wants AR back at all.  Absolutely think they ( front office) wants control.   

They won before AR did...  

They won their way... and then got to another SB....THEIR WAY. 

IMO... they ain't changing...egos too big.

And that’s our biggest holdup.

14 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Why did they fire Doug.   The people who make the decision. 

You don't have to rehash all the stuff that i said multiple times that I agree with...that i believe they should have kept Doug one more year.

The people in charge want things done their way...not how you or I would do it. 

They have ego....they want control.  If they have more success this year, that only cements things more for keeping things their way.

Great way to understand how their success is a greater failure

13 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

And that’s our biggest holdup.

How we may view it....their view can easily be....our way got us a SB... another trip to the SB.. and playoffs every year but 2020.

These are people who kept Reid around for 14 years no Superbowl...and the last 8 years  half not making the playoffs.   

Because they like doing things their way.  I can't see if they have another successful year, that they change. 

And I can't see them picking Moore over Siri.  

Or does Lurie’s thirst to be a champion and be on top trump all the rest here? Which if you honestly believed any of the talk about Lurie thinking Siri is the real deal…at least when he hired him. Then that would lead you to an intersection of giving up more power to the coach once he proved himself more and more worthy.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Great way to understand how their success is a greater failure

You think they view their success as a failure?  Other than Tom Brady and Mahomes..who has had more success since 2017?  

They were already the gold standard before winning a SB... you don't think their ego is bigger now?

Plus now they have a ring in the war chest already. So the next coach can’t be claimed as some king maker on them. They will have done it with two different coaching staffs. 

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

You think they view their success as a failure?  Other than Tom Brady and Mahomes..who has had more success since 2017?  

They were already the gold standard before winning a SB... you don't think their ego is bigger now?

That’s why I state their success is a bigger failure. The more they buy into that narrative the less likely they will be to adjust accordingly in any opposite directions. Just become more and more micromanaging the football guys.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Or does Lurie’s thirst to be a champion and be on top trump all the rest here? Which if you honestly believed any of the talk about Lurie thinking Siri is the real deal…at least when he hired him. Then that would lead you to an intersection of giving up more power to the coach once he proved himself more and more worthy.

You have nice theories.. probably why you think " this is the year they draft LB or S in round 1" 

I just go by the behavior I see.  Until that changes... I am not predicting it. 

Bottom line...they have a successful season...they come back with the same staff.  

They don't have a successful season..then they make changes. 

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

That’s why I state their success is a bigger failure. The more they by into that narrative the less likely they will be to adjust accordingly in any opposite directions. Just become more and more micromanaging the football guys.

Right so you agree with me... with a successful season..they will keep things the same.  I agree.  

That's what they will do.  What we want doesn't matter.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

They said he has had his best offseason 

Well,nice to know that seems to be translating to real practices

Just now, joemas6 said:

You have nice theories.. probably why you think " this is the year they draft LB or S in round 1" 

I just go by the behavior I see.  Until that changes... I am not predicting it. 

Bottom line...they have a successful season...they come back with the same staff.  

They don't have a successful season..then they make changes. 

31st ranked pass D. Did that force Rosie to adapt and address what could so very obviously be pointed at as HIS failure? First round CB. Second round big trade up for CB. FA correct last offseasons mistake and sign CGJ. 

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Right so you agree with me... with a successful season..they will keep things the same.  I agree.  

That's what they will do.  What we want doesn't matter.

If it ain't broke,don't fix it

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That’s why I state their success is a bigger failure. The more they by into that narrative the less likely they will be to adjust accordingly in any opposite directions. Just become more and more micromanaging the football guys.

But lets be clear .. if they win a ring, that not a failure in any way.

As a fan, that's all that matters to me.  

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

31st ranked pass D. Did that force Rosie to adapt and address what could so very obviously be pointed at as HIS failure? First round CB. Second round big trade up for CB. FA correct last offseasons mistake and sign CGJ. 

Failure.. bad results...they make changes.   Successful season...they aren't going to make changes.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Right so you agree with me... with a successful season..they will keep things the same.  I agree.  

That's what they will do.  What we want doesn't matter.

My point of desiring to make good decisions and that we deserve the best coaching they can acquire. Fans accepting less is the only way this can possibly continue. But I saw Siri lost the team. Look on YouTube in that Giants game at the lack of respect and shame our players had of Siri. Watch Gunn(I believe) report about players calling out the coaches on their frustrations with the O being way to predictable. Siri had to answer these press questions about it. Denied it and said he always studies over everything to make sure that kind of stuff doesn’t occur. The. After the season what did Siri say? He admitted the O became predictable and stale. Flat out! The players already were looking at him this way. How can you run it back with that same coach that lost his team so epically? You can’t even be in denial of the disgruntled players situation over the coach….because the coach finally admitted it was true even.

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

If it ain't broke,don't fix it

If it’s broke but they can slap enough lipstick on a pig don’t change it

6 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Well,nice to know that seems to be translating to real practices

It seems more so than just the field... it's what multiple sources ( I like hearing from former players,  Lane,  some local media guys who cover the team) they say Hurts is having his best offseason as a player and a teammate / leader.  

Got praise for how he handled his press conference yesterday. They said he seemed engaged and not distant...more pep than usual... and no corny clichés.   

Philly just wants their players to be engaged and come off authentic.  Apparently yesterday was a big step for Hurts in that.

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

But lets be clear .. if they win a ring, that not a failure in any way.

As a fan, that's all that matters to me.  

Exactly winning a ring is a win most any way it happens. But I am stating this is the reason they didn’t get a second ring in 2022. What’s holding us back. I think Lurie might just not accept that at some point. Just like Rosie attacked bringing in DBs finally after such a terrible embarrassment of DB personnel put a terrible light on his job performance as being a problem. Some thought the GM failed in this area anyway(not to speak for all). Most I would have to believe would conclude 31st ranked pass D as terrible job performance.

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Failure.. bad results...they make changes.   Successful season...they aren't going to make changes.

This is where maybe I’m just being overly optimistic. But I think change is coming either way. Just wasn’t any quality change they could make this offseason. So they kind of had to choose to float Sori one more season even though he lost the team. So Moore is getting his on the job tryout. He can win the job. Or they look to hire the next O minded HC.